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Russian TV5 and Russian propaganda ... similarities to NK

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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: sosobad

You do know that if the U.S. Government pulled the same crap, "satire" or not, all the of the Russophiles here would be pointing fingers and screaming about an impending invasion, propaganda, brainwashing, etc.




posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You are OK with threads being started on false pretense s as long as they are anti Russian?



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: dollukka

Trying to use YouTube translate to understand something, the first couple of minutes are looking like US warmongering TV I have seen so many times before, straight out of that same play-book.

The economic warfare/attack against Russia, combined with what they see as an attack at Russia, namely an attack going at the border of Russia and ethnic Russians, what do you expect ?

Most of them have no illusion about if there`s isn`t going to be an all out war in the Ukraine when Kiev makes "peace" agreements and yet at the same time just keeps going on with the fighting.

Think about when this was happening in Canada and the situation was at the brink on an all out war over there and how the American TV would look then ?

From what I have been reading, this is actual pretty normal about how Russian TV has been reporting lately and they seem to be ready for war and wanting to give it all they have. Why do you think Minsk 2 agreement was really important and people were talking about the US resolutions in December as being War resolutions ?



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

If anyone is naive enough to believe that Russia would broadcast it's actual Military strategy to the World...

There is not much I can say really.


It's not broadcasting military strategy, it preparing the civilian population for military conflict. It's glorifying war.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You are OK with threads being started on false pretense s as long as they are anti Russian?
How is it a false pretense. It's state sponsored TV, it's CLEARLY propaganda. "Satire" or not. Again, if the U.S. did the same, it would be impossible to silence all the voices on here screaming Propaganda. Why apply the standard to one nation and not the other.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: sosobad

You do know that if the U.S. Government pulled the same crap, "satire" or not, all the of the Russophiles here would be pointing fingers and screaming about an impending invasion, propaganda, brainwashing, etc.


False! They do nothing of the sort! Ever! They simply explain why russia and Putin are just victims of the U.S.!



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Do you know what satire means? The whole op was comparing Russia to NK.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You are OK with threads being started on false pretense s as long as they are anti Russian?
How is it a false pretense. It's state sponsored TV, it's CLEARLY propaganda. "Satire" or not. Again, if the U.S. did the same, it would be impossible to silence all the voices on here screaming Propaganda. Why apply the standard to one nation and not the other.


State sponsored? So because the media outlet that produced is owned by a Bank that is owned by some guy that shakes hands with Russian movers and Shakers... it is State sponsored.

I guess any Hollywood film depicting American superiority would be called State sponsored since Hollywood is democrat?



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It seems like Minsk 2 agreement was beneficial to Russia and separatists. Before the 2 agreement Ukraine was able to take back quite a lot of areas they lost previously to separatists and with the agreement Ukraine is loosing those areas again. EU is buying time and providing Ukraine in silver platter to Russia so EU have more time to strenghten armaments in Europe. No wonder Putin has been smiling after the agreement..



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You are OK with threads being started on false pretense s as long as they are anti Russian?
How is it a false pretense. It's state sponsored TV, it's CLEARLY propaganda. "Satire" or not. Again, if the U.S. did the same, it would be impossible to silence all the voices on here screaming Propaganda. Why apply the standard to one nation and not the other.


State sponsored? So because the media outlet that produced is owned by a Bank that is owned by some guy that shakes hands with Russian movers and Shakers... it is State sponsored.

I guess any Hollywood film depicting American superiority would be called State sponsored since Hollywood is democrat?
Okay, let's apply the same logic to a hypothetical U.S. Network. Say there was a U.S. TV Station that was joint owned by Bank of America, and also by one of Obama's close personal friends. And they broadcast a "satire" piece about invading Mexico, Canada, and South America. What would be your thoughts on that broadcast?



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

In said situation would you be calling it propaganda? Or would you treat it as satire? I hope you never stumble upon The Onion.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: dollukka

Both agreements where made at the time when the Ukrainian army was collapsing totally !

If anything, it was beneficial to the Ukrainian government to still stay in power.

Things which now have been agreed have been suggested even before UAF attacked and have been suggested through the whole situation by the Separatists/Russia, only when the military of the Ukraine is collapsing it will negotiate.

Have you read the agreement, and compare that to the Treaty of Versailles or what Japan had to agree to end the war in `45.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA
State sponsored? So because the media outlet that produced is owned by a Bank that is owned by some guy that shakes hands with Russian movers and Shakers... it is State sponsored.


Media outlet owned by the Bank....Bank owned by, guess who, the STATE!

Yup...State sponsored. Just follow the money a little bit farther...



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

In said situation would you be calling it propaganda? Or would you treat it as satire? I hope you never stumble upon The Onion.
I read the Onion frequently, but it's not owned by the largest bank in America and close personal friends of US leadership. If such a channel WERE to exist, I'd call it what it is. Propaganda. Hell, in a previous thread I called a report by U.S. MSM about Putin having Aspergers blatant propaganda. I call propaganda when I see it.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

That it's satire... Without the inverted commas.




& all this "State Sponsered" nonsense makes me laugh...


Like hearing the opinions of the selected marionettes of Rupert Murdoch & the likes is any better or reliable.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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Darn, I can't make hide nor hair out of what they are saying on that video


Oh well. Russia is not another North Korea. They have a lot of Military might and could kill a very lot of people. We seem to be forcing their hand. Now, when you look at the way that the high powers do things, they often collaborate to reduce the populations by war. Maybe this is what is going on. This collaboration is almost like a primal instinct, fighting to benefit survivors. The problem is that only a select few, not you and me of course, will repopulate the world.

This could be a planned event, even though we do not understand who is planning it. All the people way up the ladder do not know, only a hundred people in the world will be the ones to recognize the emerging pattern because they created it.

Oh well, we tend to like action movies so this might be really exciting. We have all been programmed yet we tend to not be able to see it. It has been going on so long that we call it human nature, yet it is not human nature. It is a creation of conditioning that goes back about four to five thousand years. If we believe something it forms realityy, believe we have to war and it will be true. The fact is that this desire for power over more and more people is not a good thing. Controlling our populations by controlling the number of kids we have is more beneficial. We need to try to condition people to have less kids, quit using sex to sell things.

Russia can cause a very lot of people to die, America can too. China is also very powerful. None of these should be messed with. Russia is only responding to what Europe and America are doing to it, this is very dangerous. The people who push the buttons have bunkers fully stocked, if they did not, the button would never be pushed.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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I am still waiting for those several members to come along and condemn America and prove you are right....oh wait you were actually incorrect because you didnt fact check or do your homework before posting this video. Perhaps I miss understood, Russia and NK are victims and it's all the USA's fault? I love how today's youth has given "victim" a new definition. Everyone is a victim. I shot 17 people at a movie theater but its not my fault, Im the victim cuz mom let me watch the A-Team when I was 6. Please. The REAL victims here are the Russian people, who for-ever have had leaders who put more into their military might than into its own people. The REAL victims are the NK people, who have a "god" running their country, anesthetized by western porn and liquor. Oh, also the REAL victims are those who have to listen to yet another ATSer using this sight to push anti-american agenda's. WE KNOW THE WORLD HATES! WHO CARES! People always want what they can't have. Jealousy and hatred usually don't make that strange of bedfellows.

Oh, and don't tell people their opinions aren't welcome. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Prost!



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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To those saying the Western media is doing the same, I have yet seen images of US army Humvees driving with the Kremlin in the background... There's clearly a difference.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I don't trust half of what I read or see on American MSM either. So I don't see your correlation. I get MOST of my news either from independent sources, or here at ATS. News, ESPECIALLY the big networks like CNN/Fox/MSNBC/etc can't be trust to be unbiased.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Ukraine recaptured Debaltseve which is strategically important town because railway and highway between Donetsk and Luhansk go through it. Now Ukraine has to withdraw from there and who is going to benefit from that.. you guess.
Ukraine crisis won´t be over with second agreement it is only buying time.




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