The Philosophy and Metaphysics Of The Earthly Incarnations An Aid Or A Hinderance

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Somebody has to live on the bad side of the tracks.



Kev

Yeah but are you on board with the bad track agenda?

Life is always sucking for someone.

Really when i was little the TV show "I Dream of Jeannie" explained
it perfectly. Jeannie was explaining that for it to rain for one
person, she had to deprive rain to another person.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

a reply to: FormOfTheLord


Somebody has to live on the bad side of the tracks.

Kev

Yeah but are you on board with the bad track agenda?

Life is always sucking for someone.
Really when i was little the TV show "I Dream of Jeannie" explained

it perfectly. Jeannie was explaining that for it to rain for one

person, she had to deprive rain to another person.
Kev

The needs of the few do not outweigh the needs of the many.
Thats sounds like a round about way of saying you agree with the negative trends we may have on earth and support the suffering of countless beings, for the enjoyment of the few. How about some more direct answers to the questions in the OP?

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Autobiography of a Yogi is a fine book. I think desire is the cause of our problems, desire to become something or to be someone else etc. The mind can be a treacherous thing, truly our worst enemy at times.

a reply to: Phage

Your probably right, maybe a series of shocks over an extended period of time. A bit like the world is producing for us at the moment.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

a reply to: FormOfTheLord


Somebody has to live on the bad side of the tracks.

Kev

Yeah but are you on board with the bad track agenda?

Life is always sucking for someone.
Really when i was little the TV show "I Dream of Jeannie" explained

it perfectly. Jeannie was explaining that for it to rain for one

person, she had to deprive rain to another person.
Kev

The needs of the few do not outweigh the needs of the many.
Thats sounds like a round about way of saying you agree with the negative trends we may have on earth and support the suffering of countless beings, for the enjoyment of the few. How about some more direct answers to the questions in the OP?

I really hadn't intended to be all serious!

The thing is, your assumptions about how the world is, how the world
works, the nature of being and all that jazz is apparently quite out
of sync with my point of view.

People think they have free will. People think that their rational mind
is either good (a skeptic) or bad (a believer) or whatever. People
believe that life either has a purpose, should have a purpose, or
doesn't have a purpose.

My brain doesn't process things in any of those ways.

So, I apologize for stopping by this thread.

Kev

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Everyone has some very good well thought out ideas and theories. Most of us agree that we are essentially spirit beings operating in a physical world. Essentially a mind that can think itself any where, but restricted by the physics of a body locked in the dimensions. Its all very subjective, but how many have actually tried to find out how tied to the physical state we actually are?. Like trying to OOBE. and Lucid dreaming, and NDE's? . But I think their is another state, where you are actually somewhere else in what might appear to be in the full physical experience, of rational observation and physical interaction. Like the here and now but somewhere else.

I think that the Earth is far to centred on material things, when we should be planning for that inevitable state when we have no material presence . Because it might be far less of a shock when it happens, and we might have a better understanding of the non material state, simply because we have experienced it whilst still having a physical body.

If you are game to try something out, those that do the relaxation technique for OOBE's Then hope something will happen. Rather than falling asleep etc. Might try something a bit different, at the end of the relaxation, process.Concentrate on the right hemisphere of the head/brain. After a few minutes it seems to warm up, and the quality of the desired outcome seems to be highly elevated. It might seem strange that the centre of consciousness can concentrate on itself, but its actually stimulating a muscle not itself. I've tried it a few times with some interesting results. If you try it report back, to compare notes.

I hope I haven't drifted off topic to far. But I thought it worth mentioning as we hang out in the same threads.

You are placing your well-being outside of the reach of your ability to choose and act, escaping to other realms means that those whom govern such places have the power to decide if you can join them or not, offering paradise, and contrasting it with the conditions of Earth. The power to enjoy your existence is yours, no matter where you are or what plane you are on, you cannot blame the fact that you are on a particular plane for your suffering, and thus you should always look in terms of where you are and what you are doing in the present, always.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
You are placing your well-being outside of the reach of your ability to choose and act, escaping to other realms means that those whom govern such places have the power to decide if you can join them or not, offering paradise, and contrasting it with the conditions of Earth. The power to enjoy your existence is yours, no matter where you are or what plane you are on, you cannot blame the fact that you are on a particular plane for your suffering, and thus you should always look in terms of where you are and what you are doing in the present, always.

Please keep in mind the OP is about where you stand on the direction the earth has been moving in and if you are with or against the methodology of our current civilizations as well as the history of out civililizations.

The truth be told we cant escape ourselves, wherever we may go we will still be ourselves.

We wont be here forever, we all will go to another realm in time.

Something brought us here, it could be our own desires, could be something else, but the OP is abot the place we are in, is it in agreement with our wishes or against our wishes?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Everyone has some very good well thought out ideas and theories. Most of us agree that we are essentially spirit beings operating in a physical world. Essentially a mind that can think itself any where, but restricted by the physics of a body locked in the dimensions. Its all very subjective, but how many have actually tried to find out how tied to the physical state we actually are?. Like trying to OOBE. and Lucid dreaming, and NDE's? . But I think their is another state, where you are actually somewhere else in what might appear to be in the full physical experience, of rational observation and physical interaction. Like the here and now but somewhere else.



I think that the Earth is far to centred on material things, when we should be planning for that inevitable state when we have no material presence . Because it might be far less of a shock when it happens, and we might have a better understanding of the non material state, simply because we have experienced it whilst still having a physical body.



If you are game to try something out, those that do the relaxation technique for OOBE's Then hope something will happen. Rather than falling asleep etc. Might try something a bit different, at the end of the relaxation, process.Concentrate on the right hemisphere of the head/brain. After a few minutes it seems to warm up, and the quality of the desired outcome seems to be highly elevated. It might seem strange that the centre of consciousness can concentrate on itself, but its actually stimulating a muscle not itself. I've tried it a few times with some interesting results. If you try it report back, to compare notes.



I hope I haven't drifted off topic to far. But I thought it worth mentioning as we hang out in the same threads.

Yes I have had my share of lucid dreams, as well as a few outer body experiences, I have also had a few dynamite meditations, but not many.

However the point of the thread is to talk about the realm we are in now and if its an aid to our evolution of a hinderance in our evolution. We should discuss why we think its a aid or why we think its a hinderance. Also if we stand with the way things are going or if we are against the way things are going. Also we should discuss what we would like to see change, or if we like the status quo we have been seeing all these years and throught history.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

What sits between something that conforms to our wishes and what does not, is pure chance - something we did not choose, but something that wasn't chosen for us either.

That is to say, "we just happened" and we found ourselves here.

In terms of the nature of incarnation, I believe that we generally incarnate as a product of all that went into our existence, reincarnation is not really a linear chain, we can be thousands of individuals however we are like a new combination of them (many can become one), like a different flavour of ice cream. When it comes to our futures, we will then be apart of another individual to be born, and in that sense, we all roll together like toilet paper.

So, there is no distinct or discreet awareness that lives a chain of incarnations, and perhaps it is this belief that is the nature of our "imprisonment"...

If you were to trace back your incarnation, then, in terms of Earth, you would have once been a simple celled organism, and there could be others that are alive today that were that same organism (from one can come many). In that sense, we share past lives, and it is also difficult to define what an "individual" really is.

When it comes to the "prison" concept, perhaps they mean that we cannot escape it, as in we are confined here. It does not necessarily mean we are being punished, and, it does not mean that we came from somewhere else, it means that we have simply been confined to where we are.

And still, it does not mean that we cannot find a way to escape...

To think that we have "agreed" to be here for some kind of purpose can be a problem if you want to prove such a contract exists or that there is some higher power that dictates where we incarnate and what our lives become. If we choose to we could go back on our agreement, we could cancel our contracts, and if we can't then sure as hell we could challenge those whom are in charge.

I definitely do not want to be confined in a prison.

In terms of other realms, who or what decides where we go? What power creates realms and decides upon whom should enter them?

And, why can't we create our own realms?

The key here is acceptance of who we are and what we are, and also empowerment, the ability to change our reality with the use of our own minds, to stop looking outside of ourselves for an answer and achieve results on our own.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

So what is the purpose of earth? What is our purpose for being on earth?



Here we are on earth is it an environment that is aiding the evolution of the beings which come to it likened to a stepping stone to a greater and higher counsiousness.



Or do you believe it to be a place which is a hinderance to the evolution of the beings which come to it likened to a pitfall on your path leading to less divinity and more materialism, and a lower more base form of savage counsiousness.



Is earth everything you ever wanted it to be and more?

Are you on board with the way things are going, is all going just the way you want it to?

How about history, do you believe everything that happened in earths history has been for a good purpose? If not what would you change?

Do you feel that earth is missing something, if so what?

If you could change anything about earth to make it a more progressive place for the beings on it what would you like to change.

Are you with the way things are going or against the way things are going.

Ok I am bumping the OP so people can discuss the questions that I have posted there, which is the topic of the thread.
Is earth an aid or a hinderance.

I think its kind of a hinderance, because people dont improve much on earth in my opinion they pick up various negative habits which are seeded into the spirit in the form of desires, which create intention which then needs to manifest and be further exerienced.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The question is, who can you honestly say has a "purpose" in life?

Another question, when you have achieved your purpose what else is left to do?

I sense that most are lost, they are focused on survival if they can't afford the lifestyle, and if they can afford the lifestyle then they become complacent.

If you want to define a purpose for yourself, then it must be who you want to be, what you want to be.

When you finally are what you have sought to become, you actually are happy to be yourself and when "you" are taken care of, you can afford to concern yourself with others and you can be content regardless of your circumstances.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The question is, who can you honestly say has a "purpose" in life?

Another question, when you have achieved your purpose what else is left to do?

I sense that most are lost, they are focused on survival if they can't afford the lifestyle, and if they can afford the lifestyle then they become complacent.

If you want to define a purpose for yourself, then it must be who you want to be, what you want to be.

When you finally are what you have sought to become, you actually are happy to be yourself and when "you" are taken care of, you can afford to concern yourself with others and you can be content regardless of your circumstances.

Good points, I think there are always more goals to set for ones future evolution. I think that gaining mental and physical focus would be a good start rather than having a chaotic unfocused mental and physical state.

Our planetary culture sets us on a path of the lower self rather than the higher self.
I think we have lost our way in more ways than we could count, it would be nice to see something good come out of our lives.

In my opinion, the earth is an environment for learning.In a general sense, I see alot of promise in the way things are going.There's always factors I'd like to see change, but I have a hard time imagining what I would change given unlimited control over the world around me.

I think our history has been for good purpose.A part of me, sometimes wishes the library in Alexandria wasn't burnt down, or the genocide of the natives in the western world hadn't occurred.I hope that a new form of commerce would take hold, something more equitable then paper money.Maybe a cross between bitcoin and barter or another tool that would make it easier for people to trade more transparently.

Trying to answer a question as to if I am for or against the way things are going is difficult.I feel like I would be trying to reinvent the wheel, lol.

I hold aspirations to make a positive difference in the world around me, and believe that our children will do better.At this point, I believe that the main changes the world needs are for me to change myself.I have a clear understanding of what I need to do, but feel weighed down by responsibilities and wrestling with time itself.The machine wants the cogs to stay their place.

I believe the world is good, and count my blessings.Technology has given individuals more easily then ever an avenue of self expression, and dialogue.The tools are there, but I need to more practice.

Personally I am against the genocide and suffering perpetuated on life here, I am also at odds with the way things are headed into nuclear doom.

I think the real purpose of life is very far from our comprehension. We may understand a small piece but that small piece is little comfort. Most of the truth of things is sitting right here in this thread. Only the creator can answer if this place is a help or a hindrance in our eternal quest. Our perspective is to limited we can't see if 5 billion souls are learning while another 2 are failing so let's keep it going.

Regardless of if it's helping or not it has to exist for those that can't maintain a higher vibration. Someone mentioned OOBE and NDE, I have had both, multiple times. And I can tell you reincarnation is creates by your choice. You reincarnate here when your desire is against the creator(our) collective will. Why? because we do have freewill, but freewill is the greatest trap that ever existed. It allowed the fallen to con men out of heaven for a material hell. The fallen still hold dominion here and everything is engineered to keep souls here. When you die you get a fresh shot at heaven, doesn't matter if you were a saint or a serial killer. Thing is which life is more likely to lead to staying in heaven. See people tend to think you die and bam a choice is made but no, you have to keep making the right choices to stay. Admittedly it's easy enough, there is a voice speaking through you and too you at the same time showing you exactly what to do. It is only your defiance that leads back here, your ability to exercise your freewill, your untamed desires.

Personally I think for most people that really don't have a form grasp of what this world is it is more of a hindrance because they have no hope of breaking the cycle.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So thinking if we are here for a reason why are things so medded up here and seems like they are kept messed up on purpose. Also things like porn and various other habits which could be considered unhealthy may be developed here on earth, so I am wondering if earth is really a healthy environment to evolve.

Human beings are predators and it is unlikely there is any life in this universe that does not fall into that category. As herbivores cannot take in enough protein, eating plants, to develop Brains like ours.

I am of the conclusion that psi ability is as inherent to the human condition as is walking or talking and that the soul is an extension of the body.


Much like an arm or leg except in this case one addresses the human form as a whole.


Any thoughts?

originally posted by: Kashai

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So thinking if we are here for a reason why are things so medded up here and seems like they are kept messed up on purpose. Also things like porn and various other habits which could be considered unhealthy may be developed here on earth, so I am wondering if earth is really a healthy environment to evolve.

Human beings are predators and it is unlikely there is any life in this universe that does not fall into that category. As herbivores cannot take in enough protein, eating plants, to develop Brains like ours.

I am of the conclusion that psi ability is as inherent to the human condition as is walking or talking and that the soul is an extension of the body.


Much like an arm or leg except in this case one addresses the human form as a whole.


Any thoughts?

I think there are higher forms of life and lower forms of life not only out in the universe but intersecting our own reality and unknown to us existing in parallel worlds. I think higher life forms are able to do things we could only dream of, however we may just be one step on an infinate ladder of creation in action.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

It all depends on your point of view, for instance if you have an etheric presence, killing and eating another body. Might seem pretty bad personally. In the greater scheme of things, death is a guaranteed fact. How you die and what happens to the remains, apart from the method of the dispatch, being nice or horrible, isn't just a matter of personal comfort to the subjective party. It also affects the predatory party , as a normal given in its paradigm. Which means that their is a high probability that it reaps what it sows.