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The "Catastrophic Shutdown Of America's Supply Chain" Begins: Photos Of West Coast Congestion

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posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
Are you trying to imply that other ports and back up plans do not exist?


What are the other ports and what are the back up plans?




posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

you tell me



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

There are no other ports to utilize as they are all on slowdown.



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

because of a union.

that would be an easy fix if there was a desire to fix it



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
that would be an easy fix if there was a desire to fix it


What is the 'easy fix'?



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

i guess if folks like you are in charge there is no easy fix because the plan is to remain broken until other countries cave to the pressure.

you play dumb really well and it is rubbing off onto your true identity.

they could go back to work or hire other non union workers and dissolve the thug union.



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 08:15 PM
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This was brought up a week or two ago in another thread . I had mentioned that Chinese New Year starts on the 18th. Every year there is a massive slow down due to the holiday. There will be plenty of time for things to get hammered out and I almost feel like union leaders did this on purpose (the timing of it all). Really no need to panic. Even if retailers only hold a few weeks to a months inventory most likely things will get worked out.

Unions are pretty much all talk these days. The union a number of my friends and family works for even have no strike clauses in the contracts with the companies they do business with. My mothers job was through a railroad union and they basically allowed the business to be sold and did nothing for the members. All members were hired back for 1 3rd of what they were making previously with crap benefits.

This is just further sell out at the expense of the little guy while lining the pockets of non-producers the world over. Business as usual.
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posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
i guess if folks like you are in charge there is no easy fix because the plan is to remain broken until other countries cave to the pressure.


Since you are such a genius with labor disputes (and other matters) why not offer your services to resolve the port issues? Once this is done you could then teach everyone a better way to handle logistics since you apparently had a brilliant idea about that but did not want to share.



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: KnightLight

I have too many responsibilities to play games with someone on the internet who brags about an extra 800.



exactly my point.. But I wasn't bragging.. I was speaking to my own happiness.. On the topic of people getting payed too much to ship things, and the fact that American made products don't have to cost a lot..

You took it out of context not me buddy..



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: MiddleClassWhiteBoy


No rent? No car? No health insurance? No retirement? Sure live it up! Sorry your life is not nearly as good as you think it is making poverty wages.


I have money saved up, but I do have a car now and I pay rent.. I just don't have debt.. It makes a world of difference. Trust me my life is awesome.

But the topic is not about me. I was responding to a poster who thinks american made products have to cost a lot. This is an illusion. That's all my post was about.



posted on Feb, 12 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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So, the ILWU says an experienced longshoreman makes $83,000.

As usual the one thing we can all be sure of is that none of them are telling the truth. So lets say they are each lying by half and the reality is in the middle. That would mean an experienced dockworker is pulling in about $165, 000- including all the bennies.

Not a bad wage, even on the west coast, but not a quarter mil.

We also need to look at the other side of the coin. What have been the employer's profits over the course of the last employment contract? If the corporations have been pulling major profits, why shouldn't the longshoremen be entitled to a chunk? If business is down it would be supremely stupid of these folks to be pushing for a raise.

Any one got those figures to add to the discussion?



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 12:31 AM
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a reply to: KnightLight

As the song says: "Don't Worry! Be Happy!" If you are enjoying life without reducing anyone else's joy, then go for it. Enjoy life while you are young. You won't have another chance.

On topic: The shipping issue goes both directions in this case. Both exports of American made products and imports of foreign made products are affected.



dex



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 01:10 AM
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a reply to: DexterRiley
How about Hawaii? Where does most of their food come from?
Pretty sure the ILWU is there too.


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posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 05:34 AM
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originally posted by: ATF1886
Florida is definitely the place that will take over i mean you have the entire east coast for petes sake honestly it would take all the ports in us to shutdown to have a eco collapse this situation is definitely overhyped..a reply to: Nyiah



But then costs would rise because everything coming from Asia would have to go through Panama. It would take longer. Meaning more fuel to get to port, more wages for the people on the vessel, etc....

It would have a definite impact on the economy.

As for the dockworkers and the reason for their strike.........screw 'em. They're getting greedy because they're in a position where they can be.

Start making and buying American.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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Some goods sold by the company I work for are already being re-routed to an Eastern port.
Nyiah



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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Dow at 18000 who cares! All this doom porn gets old! Bunch of gloomers! The economy has recovered . Lots of jobs out there. I think the people complaining just can't get ahead no matter what. More people graduating from college than ever. War has been a averted in Ukraine. The great news and economy is reality!



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: MiddleClassWhiteBoy
So I take articles like these with a grain of salt. Especially considering how ant-Union the mainstream establishment media is.


Good Post.
The ones running the show want an obedient serf class that does not fight back. That is not how free markets work.
The worker along with the consumers and sellers is part of the market forces as long as they have choice to fight back which is being eroded at every turn.

With monstrosities like Monsanto taking away consumer choice, Corporate Backed "Free Trade" and The Trans Pacific Partnership, they do not want you to have a choice when they used their political puppets to get what they want.

This is a win win anyways for now, less Chinese Junk infiltrating our country.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: KnightLight

originally posted by: MiddleClassWhiteBoy
And yes buy American is great! Unfortunately American made is quite expensive for the average middle class American family of 4 making $45k a year. Take clothes for example. Yeah Filson is great, talk about American quality, but who can afford $209 for a flannel when Carhart made in China has them for $30.


That doesn't have to be true at all.. I now make socks.. Lol.. And I looked up the prices online they are 5 dollars for 6 pairs..
That's with me making $10/hr starting pay.

You guys are being lied to about how much things need to cost. Ever been in charge of orders for retail?? Haha, manufacturing costs are not even the biggest portion of any product. A lot of the time packaging and marketing, are the costs, and of course mark up. Those things happen in the US no matter where the product is made.

More businesses should be encouraged to work in the US.



The talking point I see all the time is how expensive it would be to make things back in America.
Ever look to see how much an item costs to make in China and how much they charge the consumer in America?

time.com...
Apple’s $649 iPhone 6 Reportedly Costs $200 to Make

What would really happen is the leaches on Wall Street and the Top Executives would get a smaller cut of profits that they gouge Americans on.

How come people are crying about how much they make and not about how much we are being gouged at the top?
Nevertheless, if they made 5 dollars an hour or 30 dollars an hour, I would still support the worker fighting back in a Free Market



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Actually to me that picture looks fairly typical of port operations. having been to some on the eastern seaboard. But it does show the complexity of the operations and it really irks me that these workers think more of themselves and their overpaid wages that they don't mind shutting down other people's livelihoods. When a trucker sits still waiting to load or unload, he doesn't make a dime, and it really has a direct effect right there.


Corporate and Banking Lobbyists have killed more business in this country than the damage these guys are doing.



posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Ok, I'm ignorant about shipping matters. I'm curious, is beef shipped in containers on container ships?




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