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originally posted by: amazing
Our perceptions aren't necessarily wrong
I still see more harm than good coming from it.
I just don't think the other links/articles are wrong either or full of inaccuracies.
If you haven’t heard of #GamerGate, lucky you. If you have, and you have an opinion about it, you probably fall into one of two camps. You’re in the camp that thinks it’s a Web-based movement of gamers upset about a perceived lack of ethics among video games journalists. Or you’re in the camp that thinks it’s a Web-based campaign of harassment against women who make, write about and enjoy video games, masquerading as a movement of gamers upset about a perceived lack of ethics among games journalists.
The movement, insofar as a group of people obsessively complaining about something on Twitter deserves to be called a movement, claims that whatever sexism or misogyny exists within its ranks is the fault of outliers. The real GamerGate is about media ethics, they say.
But an analysis by Newsweek found that Twitter users tweeting the hashtag #GamerGate direct negative tweets at critics of the gaming world more than they do at the journalists whose coverage they supposedly want scrutinized.
The claim that GamerGate is not a campaign to harass women—but rather advocacy for better journalism—has had some pull. This claim was used to harass Intel into pulling ads from popular gaming website Gamasutra after journalist Leigh Alexander wrote an essay there critiquing the gaming world. “‘Game culture’ as we know it is kind of embarrassing—it’s not even culture,” Alexander wrote in August. “It’s just buying things, spackling over memes and in-jokes repeatedly, and getting mad on the Internet.”
She urged game developers to pay less attention to the demands of gamers.
Instead, gamers pressured advertisers to pull their dollars from the site.
The same tactic was used to pressure Adobe to cancel its sponsorship of Gawker Media. Mercedes-Benz USA also temporarily pulled ads from Gawker Media after a reporter there made mocking tweets about gamers. The move has cost Gawker Media CEO Nick Denton and company “thousands of dollars already, and potentially...thousands more, if not millions,” according to Max Read, Gawker’s editor-in-chief.
GamerGate is largely playing out on Twitter, and if the movement is about ethics in games journalism, logic says the majority of tweets on the #GamerGate hashtag should be directed at games journalists and their employers and not at game developers.
Developers naturally try to woo the journalists who cover their games, but it’s not their job to police journalists for ethics. It’s up to journalists, and their bosses, to maintain ethical standards.
So, is GamerGate really about ethics in journalism? Newsweek asked BrandWatch, a social media analytics company, to dig through the more than 2 million tweets about GamerGate since September 1 discover how often Twitter users tweeted at or about the major players in the debate, and whether those tweets were positive, negative or neutral. BrandWatch sampled 25 percent of tweets—what it considers a reflective amount of data—on the hashtag #GamerGate from Sept. 1 to Oct. 23.
Using an algorithm that looks for positive and negative words, BrandWatch found most tweets were neutral in sentiment.
The discrepancies there seem to suggest GamerGaters cares less about ethics and more about harassing women.
Totilo has received 1,708 tweets since September 1—more than Grayson but fewer than Leigh Alexander. Alexander got 13,296 tweets, nearly eight times as many as Totilo. And Alexander’s only crime was writing an op-ed critical of so-called gaming culture—GamerGate hasn’t even accused her of any malfeasance.
In the following graphic, compare how often GamerGaters tweet at Zoe Quinn, a developer, and Nathan Grayson, a Kotaku games journalist. In August, GamerGaters accused Grayson of giving Quinn’s game Depression Quest favorable reviews because Grayson and Quinn had been in a relationship. The relationship was fact, those ‘favorable reviews’ were fiction. Grayson only wrote about Quinn once, for a story on a failed reality show, and that was before they were in a relationship, according to Stephen Totilo, the editor-in-chief of Kotaku and Grayson’s boss.
originally posted by: amazing
Here's Sark on Cobert-Is she straight up lying? You be the judge.
Next up. Why does gamergate use codes to refer to the women they target. LW1 = Quinn, LW2 = Sarkeesian, LW3 = Wu.?
I dont' have time to cite everything for you guys.
Learn to use google.
Next I wonder why gamergate is mainly targeting indie developers and not Ubisoft or Rockstar or EA or
Next it seems that NOTyourshield or whatever its called, is an actual shield? Yes?
Why is social Justice Warrior a negative term? How is that related to ethics in journalism?
I've been to over twenty different websites and blogs and articles in that last half hour. I've seen hundreds of horrible tweets, screenshots, posts, comments directed at women. I've seen rape threats and insults and people calling sark a C*** who claim to be representing gamergate. That's really mature.
All I see is BS when I look at gamergate.
In fact it hurts me to write any word with the word gate at the end but I did it for you guys.
Gamergate is just a haven for women haters who are afraid that their big boobed vixens are going to be taken out of their games.
On a side note, I love games like dead or alive
even with all the misogyny.
But I've got news for you. Those games will still sell, you don't have anything to worry about.
I also downloaded Revolution 60 this morning so I could see what that game was about.
normal Ipad time wasting game, good for wasting a few minutes. I give it a 6 out of 10 mainly because I didn't like the game mechanics. Although, I'm thinking that a console or PC port could be much better.
How's that for ethics in journalism.
I didn't even sleep with her.
This article actually articulates many of my points better than I ever could. I don't get my point across very well and I get stuck in little details.
originally posted by: amazing
Look, and I really mean this. Our little pissing contest over gamerhate is really nothing when it comes to our real lives unless it really effects them. Real life is more important than a discussion or argument about anything on ATS. Seriously. You said "...my life is a complete wreck, and I'm just counting the days until it's all over.." It hurts me to see someone else doing that bad.
I know you don't want any pity, and I'm not giving you any. If there's ever anything I can do for you let me know (except change my mind on gamerhate, that is!)
I'm really not trying to give you any more grief, I just can't jump on the gamerhate bandwagon.
But let me put it to you another way. Because I deal with the victims of bullying and harassment every day, I think that seriously colors my perspective. In that perspective, I can't stand harassment or bullying in any form. I think that's why I'm so against gamerhate. I just want you to understand that part of it. I know you don't agree with it and you're perspective and personal experience is different. You want citations but that hate the women bashing the harassment the threats. Their everywhere. I've read the stuff you guys post. Some of it makes really good points. Some of it, just doesn't cut it. Too much hate and bullying around gamerhate for me.
It's like that clip of Sark I posted with Colbert. It doesn't really prove anything either way.
Although 99% of the time Colbert is right on the money when he rips into something. Just something to consider.
And who's to say I'm not a journalist or an amateur journalist? I play games I can write about them.
How long does it take you to read a several hundred word article? a couple of minutes? How long does it take you to skim through comments on an article? Or click through a couple of links and read a few more several hundred page articles. Not long. It's not rocket science.
If you're up for the fight, then join in by all means, if not, you should ignore me and we'll join in battle down the road. I don't want to cause you any more stress. Seriously. ATS and a discussion about gamers that won't really effect the world as we know it, isn't worth it.
The opposition of #GamerGate seems to be systematically ignoring those of us who are women and who support #GamerGate. In the past few days, I have connected with countless other women on Twitter through this hashtag. We are ignored by many members of the media who make this out to be a gender issue. We don’t fit their narrative. If we were not ignored, then #GamerGate would no longer be a gender issue and the requests for a better standard of ethics would be at the forefront.
Many of us are harassed and called names by people who oppose #GamerGate. Many of us are accused of being fake accounts and not “real women”. We have been called “misogynists” and worse by people on Twitter. YouTuber Jennie Bharaj was even accused of being paid to support #GamerGate.
Harassment comes from both sides. Supporters of #GamerGate are not exempt from this. Some supporters are being jerks, making threats and “doxxing” (sharing personal info including home phone numbers online). I think I can safely say that most of us do not condone this. We’re sorry. The opposition has done the same. I have seen a young woman on YouTube doxxed and receiving harassing phone calls, a member of the LGBT community was harassed and called names. We have been called “lonely nerds” and compared to terrorists by gaming bloggers. Again, this is being ignored by larger media outlets.
The most important thing is that we are doing something. Yes, we are using Twitter as the platform to discuss #GamerGate. What people do not see is what is going on when we are not on Twitter. We are emailing advertisers and voicing our concerns over who they choose to advertise with. We are emailing editors and asking them why questionable ethics are OK. We are making phone calls and letting companies know how we feel. We are finding smaller indie devs, smaller indie companies and smaller blogs and we are spreading their names around so they can find a new audience.
This is not just “slacktivism”. #GamerGate is a reflection on a much larger problem with new media. The gaming bloggers and media outlets are not the only places that have these issues. Many subcultures, interests and online communities will find the same problems in their own media properties. My hope is that #GamerGate encourages a more widespread movement requiring greater transparency, honesty and a better standard of ethics from the media.
originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: amazing
Your and those like you's problem is that there is a growing and still loosely but organized pushback against you.
That's why you're here slandering the hash tag and telling us to drop it.
With a flimsy excuse and very little actual objective research none the less.
Remember when you screwed up with your blind google search and accidently put a link to any blog post contrary to your stance?
Considering your side tends to be far more hostile to anyone not joining it.
Oh and here's one of those people you aGGs pretend don't exist.