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posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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Huh. A kite. I guessed right the first time, although I thought that in this age of drones and such that the distance the thing apparently traveled in the sky was an indication that it might be remote controlled. But the apparent travel was just an illusion due to the photographer moving.

Good debunking work all around.




posted on Feb, 18 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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Can you believe the attempt by the Peruvian media and Peruvian Air Force to propose this in the first place?! Do they not care about their credibility going forward? They actually thought this was a UFO hovering for 2 hours? Only providing a fraction of footage, no other footage/witnesses, and no description of how it departed?


Maybe what was posted on ATS is the Peruvian equivalent of Finding Big Foot and our Spanish knowledge wasn't up to par to translate it properly. I had a feeling this was all slightly tabloid-ish from the get go.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 01:27 AM
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Can you believe the attempt by the Peruvian media and Peruvian Air Force to propose this in the first place?


Hi Game,

That also puzzled me: so consider the following:

The presenter of the program "Alto Al Crimen" (Stop Crime) is also a Congressman and as such he is President of the Committee on Citizens Security.

In the following video starting at 10'50'' he states that a ufo could form a threat to the countries sovereignty and people's tranquility ... and that mechanisms should be implemented by the authorities ... to investigate permanently these events and objects ...

I'll leave it up to the ATS readers to form their own conclusions based on the above statements...

Regard$.



posted on Feb, 19 2015 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: game over man
Can you believe the attempt by the Peruvian media and Peruvian Air Force to propose this in the first place?!


I don't know about the Peruvian Air Force but the media involved here obviously had/have a financial interest in people continuing to believe it was something unusual.

This would have been very easy for anyone (including MUFON) to figure out.



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 01:33 AM
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a reply to: Agnost

I am happy because a photograph I took when I was just passing-by has helped to solve this supposed UFO sighting. I just want to add that the place where the kite was being flown is frequently used by paragliders, motor paragliders, sailplanes RC modelers, kite enthusiasts and apprentices of drone-operators. For this reason it is easy to understand that people who were near the kite did not take it into account because they are familiar with this kind of flying stuff, except for the journalists, cameramen and congressman who saw the kite from afar, catchig it on tape from its trailing edge and being confused by its shape.

The general location and place where the "Miraflores-UFO-kite" was being flown is shown in the next link and video that I made using a motor-less radio control sailplane that uses only the uplifting current created by the sea wind coming from the Pacific Ocean blowing against the cliffs of Lima`s Costa Verde (Green Coast). The "Miraflores-UFO-kite" was being flown at the ascending wind created by this slope where, in a good day, any RC sailplane, paraglider or kite can climb 1000 feet easily:

www.youtube.com...


The photo of the "Miraflores-UFO-kite":

www.youtube.com...



...and one of my kites (in another Peruvian Central Coast location):

www.youtube.com...

Aurelio Rodríguez
Lima - Peru



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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If you you believe the kite and the ufo are the same , please go to a doctor to check your eyes.



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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Hello Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez, I see you just subscribed to ATS to talk about this case.
In your message you just repeated the same thing you said before in your Youtube
channel but not more information not even an update of your original testimonial.
So let's analyze again the case based in the new updated informations .

Aurelio Rodriguez Rodriguez from Lima Peru is an expert designer of remote control
airplanes wich he builds and works in Centro internacional de la Papa CIP in Lima and
PUCP Peru. He has a collection of remote controled airplanes and some kites and
balloons. Then we can say he knows what he sees, however Mr. Rodriguez has failed
to demonstrate his theory of the kite based in a single photograph that doesn't provide
enough informstion to calculate the actual size of the mentioned kite therefore here
are the conclusions to date about Mr. Rodriguez with a serial of questions unaswered
by him that need to be explained here in ATS to consider his position.

In Lima Peru the actual status of this case is still unexplained by general consensus
the researchers,media and people. The only explanation proposed that made some
noise creating doubts initially was the single photo taken by Aurelio Rodriguez of a
kite that showed similar colors of the object in the footage but this proposal by
Mr. Rodriguez has been discared because OF THE ACTUAL SIZE of this kite that has
been in discussion many times since the photo appeared and the general conclusion
is that a small kite like this one could not have been seen at that distance of 5 kms.
where the tv crew recorded the sighting and this is a very good point in this debate.

The issue could have been cleared very easy by Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez by going again
to the location of the photo and find the mentioned kite wich makes sense would
be still there for sale or rent or even some similar kites, this in order to see the
actual size and have the extremely required information to make a comparison
according to the distance.

Being Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez and expert in remote controlled airplanes and also
kites he has not and I repeat has not provided the informartion of the size of
this kite he photographed allegedly the same day at that location, I say
allegedly because is just a single photo and there is no way to confirm this
photo was taken the same day at the location in Costa Verde, it's only the
word by Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez but not a confirmed fact UNLESS he finds in
the same location the kite or a similar kite and we all can see the actual size.

At this point the key element in this debate is of course the actual size of the
kite Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez claims he photographed the same day in Costa Verde
and this key element has not been provided with evidence by Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez
and that is why the people in Lima Peru has not accepted the kite claim.

There are some experts in kites in Peru including air traffic controllers and people
who build and sale a variety of kites and all of them rejected the proposal from
Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez of a kite he photographed because the kite looks so small
according to the reference of the lamp in the photograph wich reveals aproximately
the small size but still not confirmed by Mr. Rodruigez. Therefore all the opinions
discard the hypotesis of the kite to explain the sighting in Miraflores because of this
key element, a kite of that small size is just impossible to be seen at that distance.

Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez: According to your expertise in kites what was the estimated
size of this kite you photographed?

Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez: Why have you not tried to find this kite in Costa Verde where
they sale this or simlar kites or just fly this kinds of kites to find out the size of the
diferent kites available there in Costa Verde?

Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez being yourself an expert in RC airplanes and kites why have you
not made a recreation with a similar kite at the same location in Miraflores? Being this
a huge case story in Lima Peru I'm sure that to make a recreation to support you theory
would be so easy and also important to clearify any doubts still in this case, would you
care to help in this investigation finding a kite and making a recreation to prove this
was as you claim just a kite instead a single photo and a very short unproven statement?

When this case story went public I was interested in the investigation and believed this
was indeed a ufo sighting according to all the people involved, the evidences testimonials
from may witnesses. Then a photo appeared showing a kite allegedly the same day and
location and the only element this photo provided was the similar colors nothing more,
no idea of the actual size, no video to see the movements, nothing more. The photo
made me doubt and I also believed this could be the explanation. But later when I
followed the updates on the case and read all the reactions from the people in Peru
I realized that mine was a premature conclusion because the arguments from experts
and researchers in Peru signaled to the size of the kite, an extremely heavy argument
against the kite proposal and more opinions came to support this response, it's impossible
for a kite to be seen at that distance simply because of the size, there is not a kite big
enough in Miraflores to match the sighting.

How to destroy this Kite Size argument ? Simply showing the giant kite and making a good
recreation or simply fly the giant kite to check the behavior and movement in the sky and
must of all, to check how stabilized it appears or if the kite can be static in the sky according
to the footage.

You see Mr. Rodriguez how difficult, how coplicated is to prove without a doubt your claim
this was a kite without hard evidence, in this case showing the kite and making a recreation.
You may say now Mr. Aurelio Rodriguez that you are not interested and don't have time to go
again to Costa Verde to try to find this kites or a similar one to show it to us. I don't care if
you refuse to colaborate in this investigation, it's your priviledge. All the people in Peru had
refused your kite hypotesis because of what I mentioned, there are only some members here
in ATS that believe you only by seeing a single photo even that the size is not provided and
believe in your statement, I'm not included. But this is not an act of faith to believe an individual
who claims something based in a single photo and short statement but no evidence to support
this claim because I repeat again THE SIZE OF THE KITE is the key element, Mr. Rodriguez has
not provided this element.

The possible hoax by Aurelio Rodriguez from Peru. There is a new development in this debate
about the failed kite explanation by Aurelio Rodruigez, arguments that are becoming strong
in Peru. The sighting took place in Miraflores on February 10, 2015 and became a huge news
the next day, it went viral also on the Internet. Aurelio Rodriguez uploaded his photopraph
of the alleged kite till February 17, 2015. By this date the case was an authentic bomb seen
and talked everywhere, being Aurelio Rodriguez an expert builder of kites and RC planes he
would easily have made a small kite with the same colors and take a single photograph, not
two or more just a single photograph with no references but a street lamp and then claim this
was the UFO seen by many in Miraflores. Could this be true? Mr. Rodriguez can deny this by
SHOWING THE "GIANT KITE".



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 07:11 PM
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Thank you very much for going through the trouble of posing these questions and making people think. The "kite" explanation is a classic case of disinformation, 7 days after the sighting no less. And, btw, the PICTURES (that compare UFO and kite) DON"T MATCH! Those who believe this "proof" is valid are either disinformation agents, gullible, need to go to the eye doctor, or don't really care about this phenomenon to study it in-depth. Happily, there are many out there who are not easily fooled. I was here in Lima when the UFO was seen. It was unbelievably WINDY that day, extremely so by Lima standards. My brother commented that his windows were rattling like he's never seen them do before. (He lives on the 13th floor and has been in the same apt since the late 80s). I'm on the 5th floor and my own windows also looked like they were about to be blown off. And this supposed "kite" was just stationary in the sky all the time like a good doggy who was told to stay put. Miraflores, btw, is right on the coast. People, had this been a kite, it would've traversed the sky in no time and it would've been bobbing around big time. This was NO FRIGGING KITE. This was a bona fide UFO. This thing was in the sky for 2 hours.
To those who question why no one saw it leave, a bunch of us had a similar experience in the 1970s. (I was a kid back then). A huge, extremely bright UFO appeared at night over the Miralfores coast (where the ocean was located had you been able to make it out). Entire neighborhoods --comprised of people who lived by the water up above the cliffs-- saw it. The "malecon" was lined with people watching this mysterious sight. It was NO PLANE, NO FRIGGING KITE, nothing anyone had ever seen begore. We stood there for a long time. And we also did not see it leave. But we had absolutely NO DOUBT that this was a UFO. Having no MUFON-PERU (MUFON Is a highly suspect operation that doesn't make its archives available to serious researchers) and an Air Force that had not yet been designated as a spokesman for these sorts of things, the local newspapers decided to take up the role, stating that this sighting had been "a trick"... What sort of trick, they didn't explain. The adults who read the paper's interpreations of events the next day laughed their heads off. We were not so gullible back then...
The Miraflores sighting of Feb. 10 was a UFO... Incidentally, Chile has had the balls to state last year that two of the photos they have are of UFOs and that these things are real. They're not tricks, they're not kites, they're not improvised faux proofs. (To be fair, some retired FAP pilots have testified that they too have encountered UFOs --OVNIs in Spanish-- up close).
If you do a bit of serious work in this area, you may also take a similar stance. Whether you do so or not, it's up to you.
But pls. don't insult my intelligence with stupid explanations that try to pass kites for UFOs... Come on!



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: free_spirit
Free Spirit, my reply below Is to thank you for taking the time to pose well-thought out questions vis-a-vis this so-called "kite" argument. Thank you also for clarifying that most people in Lima are not falling for the bogus "kite" explanation -- as if we, Peruvians were that stupid. I appreciate your effort to argue for proof and, like a true scientist, ask this man to reproduce the experiment so the rest of us can verify.



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 07:50 PM
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I was here in Lima when the UFO was seen.

...This was NO FRIGGING KITE. This was a bona fide UFO. This thing was in the sky for 2 hours.

Did you see it in the sky for 2 hours or is that just what you heard?

Did you see it at all? If so, do you have any pictures?

Are there yet more than the original 2 videos from virtually the same point of view?



posted on Feb, 25 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: roarrachel

Thank you very much for going through the trouble of posing these questions and making people think. The "kite" explanation is a classic case of disinformation, 7 days after the sighting no less. And, btw, the PICTURES (that compare UFO and kite) DON"T MATCH! Those who believe this "proof" is valid are either disinformation agents, gullible, need to go to the eye doctor, or don't really care about this phenomenon to study it in-depth. Happily, there are many out there who are not easily fooled. I was here in Lima when the UFO was seen. It was unbelievably WINDY that day, extremely so by Lima standards. My brother commented that his windows were rattling like he's never seen them do before. (He lives on the 13th floor and has been in the same apt since the late 80s). I'm on the 5th floor and my own windows also looked like they were about to be blown off. And this supposed "kite" was just stationary in the sky all the time like a good doggy who was told to stay put. Miraflores, btw, is right on the coast. People, had this been a kite, it would've traversed the sky in no time and it would've been bobbing around big time. This was NO FRIGGING KITE. This was a bona fide UFO. This thing was in the sky for 2 hours.
To those who question why no one saw it leave, a bunch of us had a similar experience in the 1970s. (I was a kid back then). A huge, extremely bright UFO appeared at night over the Miralfores coast (where the ocean was located had you been able to make it out). Entire neighborhoods --comprised of people who lived by the water up above the cliffs-- saw it. The "malecon" was lined with people watching this mysterious sight. It was NO PLANE, NO FRIGGING KITE, nothing anyone had ever seen begore. We stood there for a long time. And we also did not see it leave. But we had absolutely NO DOUBT that this was a UFO. Having no MUFON-PERU (MUFON Is a highly suspect operation that doesn't make its archives available to serious researchers) and an Air Force that had not yet been designated as a spokesman for these sorts of things, the local newspapers decided to take up the role, stating that this sighting had been "a trick"... What sort of trick, they didn't explain. The adults who read the paper's interpreations of events the next day laughed their heads off. We were not so gullible back then...
The Miraflores sighting of Feb. 10 was a UFO... Incidentally, Chile has had the balls to state last year that two of the photos they have are of UFOs and that these things are real. They're not tricks, they're not kites, they're not improvised faux proofs. (To be fair, some retired FAP pilots have testified that they too have encountered UFOs --OVNIs in Spanish-- up close).
If you do a bit of serious work in this area, you may also take a similar stance. Whether you do so or not, it's up to you.
But pls. don't insult my intelligence with stupid explanations that try to pass kites for UFOs... Come on!



I wont argue you with what you saw...maybe what you have convinced yourself that thing was is another topic. Isnt it amazing that these "things" can stay so well hidden with no testable/provable evidence yet be so prevalent everywhere. Amazing



posted on Feb, 25 2015 @ 04:51 PM
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Informant, I've no beef whatsoever with people who want "proof" that UFOs exist. Until someone has an encounter or asighting (or two), they will likely tend to dismiss it as "something you think you saw." It's absolutely your prerogative to think what you want. But I am not in the business of trying to convince anyone of anything as it's a waste of energy. Many who are derisive of UFOs and sighitings on the web are disinformation agents and internet trolls paid by govts. -- even bots. Some may have scientific minds and demand "proof". But they conveniently avoid studying the phenonmenon and digging into the historical record. (Back in the 1950s and 1960s govts. were actually more open about this and there is an abundance of documents --in English-- that you can peruse). Happily many stellar researchers have already done the work, while having had no sighiings. But their research abilities have led them to irrefutable conclusions about government cover-ups. So, if you're so inclined, you can read their work.
I wrote the above reports to join with those who already have had the experience and specifically to join with my fellow Peruvians who have always had a healthy skepticism of all things government and have a good reason to distrust this so-called "kite'" evidence. (Thankfuly, here in Peru we are far more independent-minded than anyone suspects). Back in the 1980s there was quite a bit of talk about grays and tall thin ones when there was no internet. I know people who saw them and described them to me in private back then.The descriptions fit the pictures that we're now seeing all over the web.
Anyway, the Feb. 10 sighting was a UFO, not a kite.
(I'm not addressing you, In4mant. I'm addressing those who know something's amiss about the kite story). Incidentally, if you know any Spanish, study the reactions of the TV crew who filmed the craft... This was NOT a setup. (Granted, you need additional context about cultural and journalistic norms, but knowledge of Spanish will help).



posted on Feb, 25 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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I don't know what it is either and I am sorry for not reading the thread all the way through. If someone else already thought of this, I apologize. I see the crane in the shot and I know they use a variety of wind socks to help identify troublesome winds that may affect their operations. Heres but one hurriedly googled example of that…

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posted on Feb, 25 2015 @ 08:43 PM
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Thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective though I find the claim that those asking questions about this sighting have not studied the history of UFO research a little insulting. Especially on a site with the reputation of ATS.

My question is still not answered: If this was such an obvious UFO and remained visible for two hours where are all the images from closer to the event? Is not Lima a large modern city with millions of people with cell phones? If this was such an unusual object and was visible for so long why did no one closer to it take photos or videos? Perhaps there are such images available online you could link for us? Absent that I still have to suspect that those closer to the object did not perceive it as unusual.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 12:01 AM
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NEW EVIDENCE: The peruvian TV producer Eduardo Chavez witness of this
sighting has provided a new evidence that seems to be changing the course
of this case.

Mr. Chavez who recorded the video also took some photos with an HD Camera
and making a closeup to the object it shows the shape of a kite plus the same
colors of the photo by Aurelio Rodriguez. Both photos are a match in my opinion
so I guess I'm back considering the kite explanation. Please check this video that
I made applying a zoom to the high definition photograph by Mr. Eduardo Chavez.

And this is my comparison of the two photos. It's a clear match.

At this time MUFON Peru and MUFON Uruguay concluded in their investigation that
the object in Miraflores was a kite of some kind that must have been very big but
a kite anyway. The peruvian Air Force also concluded that this object must have
been one of those kites used for weather measurements or also a combat kite
that may have been tested that day like these ones that I found:
www.labrujulaverde.com...

However the peruvian Air Force didn't show any image, photo or video of those
kites they offered as an explanation, no evidence provided and when they were
asked about the size of the kite to be seen at that distance they didn't answer.
MUFON Peru and Uruguay also keep looking for the mysterious and elusive kite
that created this viral case, a kite that must be of huge proportions. I think it's
necessary to find this kite in Miraflores to put this case to rest, a controversial
case that still have some unanswered questions despite the recent evidence
provided by the same tv producer Eduardo Chavez that recorded the sighting.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: IofRa
If you look closely you can see the object is spinning
Interesting

I too noticed that!! Very interesting indeed!!



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 09:16 AM
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I am very much curious how that object disappeared? Since so many people were watching that object, was there nobody who happened to see how it went away?



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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VERY interesting, I'm not sure still if its a kite or bona fide UFO. Did ANYONE see it leave or be reeled down? THAT would close the case for me.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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I give NO CREDENCE to anything MUFON says. As a researcher w/a graduate degree (in aniother field), I am appalled that an organization that collects data and does not make it available to other researchers is entirely suspect. (This is the point of view of anyone who functions in academia). A number of researchers who work in the field of ufology and also have an academic background have discredited this organization as infiltrated by 3-letter agencies (from the US). You can think what you want. But to those who consider this phenomenon a serious matter, posting evidence from MUFON is no evidence at all. And to those who think MUFON is the end-all be-all of UFO matters, repeating the same information over and over to try and make it true is effective in inflicting disinformation only when individuals have no practical knowledge of a particular category of experience.
To those who've never had a UFO sighting, please consider what you see with your own eyes on the video footage (UFO) and what you know about the behavior of kites on an extremely WINDY day. I'll say it again... the two pictures of UFO and kite don't match! Moreover, coinciding colors is no evidence when the kite masquerading as a UFO arrived on the scene 7 days later.

To those who truly find the above "evidence" convincing, kindly please don't be so easily fooled. (And I say this with all the compassion in my heart). Any doubt they sew in your minds will make you even more vulnerable to manipulatoin in the future. We need sharp, aware, and educated people. (To Americans on this thread: you've no idea what your govt. is doing down here with your tax dollars. Please read widely. There is a ton of information on the web available for free that will help you with this. (This is why they are making noises about controlling the web now). Extremely intelligent, well-vetted people have put this information together. Interviews of insiders who know what they're talking about are also everywhere. It's a shame to be arguing over a kite when you could be spending your valuable time doing serious investigations.

There are all sorts of trolls, disinformation agents, suspect characters, and bots who patrol these kinds of sites. ( wouldn't be surprised if an AI also regularly does the honors). Those who have truly been exposed to encounters (of whatever kind) know what they've seen and experienced. Those who have not suffered shock --because there is that-- have been gifted with something that has flung open wide the world. Nothing will change their minds --no amount of ridiculing-- because they know what they saw. Therefore those who question by lunging themselves upon others for experiences they cannot understand, consider first and foremost that they inflict attack even though they weren't there for the event. (People who adopt this tactic sound like university students who think they can discuss a book without having read it).

I'm participating in this conversation solely because it has to do with the recent Miraflores sighting. (I have never taken part in other discussions on this site nor have any desire to do so in the future. So feeling insulted because I am supposedly dissing ATS's "repute" doesn't register. Sorry). I am participating in this conversation because I am here on the ground, have experience with UFOs and understand the cultural, political and sociollogical aspects of how Peruvians see the UFO phenomenon and govt.

For those who are truly serious about studying UFOs, here's some more analysis.
It's put together by a researcher from Spain. I don't have time to translate --sorry-- but he mentions why the kite argument has no validity and moreover says that he has confirmed with a number of kite experts that the UFO in Miraflores could under no circumstances have been a kite.(Note: He doesn't even mention the wind factor that I relayed to you, guys and gals. It's been incredibly windy for February so I'm surprised that those who built up the kite argument, especially the kite meister who produced the "proof", didn't take this into account).
Anyway, the Spanish researcher's main argument is that the former Peruvian Congressman w/the news crew did not judge distance accurately and placed the UFO over the beach front, which in turn made it liable to all sorts of flawed theories. He takes measurements and makes the case that this UFO was in fact far larger than it appeared and it was far out over the ocean.


Hope you find it helpful:
www.youtube.com...






don't know who the participants in this Forum are and have a reason to be vigilant. I have participated in this conversation only because I want to reassure those and don't put stock in those who agree with facetious I laugh at people who doubt my



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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