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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: NOTurTypical
What if I told you I have never sinned. Would you believe me? If not, why?
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon
Correct, "original sin" is Roman Catholic dogma.
heh... I wish that were true...
Original sin is not just a roman catholic thing... the Protestant orthodox reformed church believes in it as well...
They are daughters of the RCC, so same applies. "Original sin" came from the RCC.
I'm non-denominational.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: chr0naut
I don't think watching porn is lustful at all, committing a sin based on that lust would be tracking a certain porn star down and stalking her or something. I don't do that nor would I ever do it.
Like I said, if Jesus was identical to me in every respect then he looked at women and thought them to be attractive, he even masturbated to them. Masturbation is not a sin, if so Jesus probably sinned all the time, IF he didn't have a wife that is.
If Jesus was identical to me in every respect, he had moments of "lust" just like we all do. Did he act on that feeling? No, and neither do I.
If Jesus is identical to me in every respect.... he is identical to me in EVERY respect, lust included. Lust is not a conscious choice, rape is.
If Jesus is identical to me in every respect then I have the same capabilities as he does, because we are identical in every respect.
See where I'm going with this? I know the topic has been moved to lust and all that good stuff, but that is not the topic here, the topic is that Jesus is said to be identical to us IN EVERY RESPECT. That's the topic of the thread, not whether lust is a sin or not. If Jesus is identical to us in every respect, we have the same exact capabilities that he did, choosing not to sin included. Or maybe it means even Jesus couldn't avoid sin? After all, if we can't then neither could he because.........
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Too bad you can't ask Jesus those questions. I mean we ARE missing 30+ years of his life and he DID participate in a ritual that supposedly washes away sins, but other people say he's sinless so let's believe it, right?
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: chr0naut
So Jesus was repenting of past sins then? If you repent, your sins are forgiven, no? So how is what you say any different from what I say?
As for your previous post, masturbating is a way for you to release that "intense" sexual desire. Masturbating is better than raping don't you think? Masturbating relieves you of lust, if you have no release then the lust will grow stronger, so no, watching porn is not lust, it is a release off that lust.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Too bad you can't ask Jesus those questions. I mean we ARE missing 30+ years of his life and he DID participate in a ritual that supposedly washes away sins, but other people say he's sinless so let's believe it, right?
lol no they have nothing to do with the RCC... In fact they despise the roman Catholic church... Original sin came from Paul...
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NOTurTypical
OR the Biblical account is a lie, which is the more likely situation.
Acts 2
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: chr0naut
The definition you give here is different from the ones in the link you provided. The link defines it as both an initiation rite and a profession of faith. It seems baptism can mean many different things to different people, which is how they want it.
And as far as baptism and repentance not being a way to forgiveness, Peter believes otherwise.
Acts 2
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So yes, according to one of the founders of Christianity, baptism it's a symbol of forgiving sins.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: chr0naut
The link you provided says nothing about baptism being symbolic of death and resurrection, so it seems you are moving the goalposts to fit your argument.
Peter agrees with me that baptism is a symbol of repentance and forgiveness of sins, you say it's not. Do you think Peter was wrong?