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originally posted by: southernplayalistic
For sure. Understandable. That's what worries me, people passing down this paradigm in which we do what we do with out critical thinking.
The modern world is totally pointless, do I even want to participate in the madness?
originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
It has to change, but for now dont expect too much that way you wont be dissapointed when the world continues to be a very pointless place.
What needs to change if your not in agreement with the modern world?
The current point of the world may be materialism, which may change eventually. . . .
originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Terence McKenna - Eros and the Eschaton: What Science Forgot
So, just to bring it all around here, the great exhibit which we must always keep in front of ourselves and our critics, is the mystery of the human mind and body. No one knows how it is that I can command my hand to make a fist and that it will do that. I mean, that’s mind over matter: that’s the violation of every scientific principle in the books. And yet it is the most trivial experience any of us have; we expect to command our body. We expect the mental will to order the monkey flesh into action, and it will follow. The body is the nexus of the mystery of life. And our culture takes us out of the body, and sells our loyalty into political systems, into religions, into inanimate objects and machines, collections, so forth and so on. The felt experience of the body is what the psychedelics are handing back to us; that’s why it’s called escape, because it’s escape from HBO, from walking the mall, from seeing what’s on the tube, from consuming trash media – it’s escape from all of that, into the authenticity of the body. This is why sexuality is so… edgy in this society. They’d make it illegal if they could but figure out how! It’s the one drug they can’t tear from our grip, and so they lay a guilt trip about it.
But sexuality and psychedelics are carrying us back to an authentic sense of the body. Carry us back to the domain of authentic values. And more and more, the message that people are getting as they avail themselves of the psychedelic experience is that it is not a journey into the human unconscious, or into the ghost bardos of our chaotic civilisation; it’s s journey into the presence of the Gaian mind, that the Earth is a coherent whole: it is a thinking, feeling, intending, being – that in terms of our value structures, it would be foolish to image as anything other than female. And when cultural values created by male dominance and science and linearity and so forth and so on – when those values are dissolved, what it waiting there is this incredibly poignant experience of the matrix – what James Joyce called the Mama Matrix Most Mysterious: nothing more than our bodies and the earth out of which our bodies came.
History, as we have lived it in the West, has been a turning of our back on that; and now history has failed. Western cultural institutions, having become global institutions, now show themselves to be inadequate to inspire, lead or carry anyone into a future worth living in. At this moment, then, this reconnecting to the Gaian mind becomes a kind of moral imperative. So this whole drug issue is not an issue even about criminal syndicates or about untaxed billions, or about the mental health of our youth, or any of that malarkey; I mean, God, the most destructive drug that’s known to the species is peddled on every street corner, without restriction. The real issue is what kind of mental world shall people inhabit? What kinds of hope shall be permitted? What kind of value systems shall be allowed? And the value systems that aggrandise the possession of things, the tearing up of the Earth, competition, classism, racism, sexism, have led us to the brink of catastrophe.
Now, I think we have to abandon Western cultural values and return to the deeper wisdom of the body in connection with the plants. That’s the seamless web that leads us back into the heart of nature; and if we can do this, then this very narrow neck of cultural crisis can be navigated. Very little of the past can be saved. The architectonics, the machines, the systems of monetary exchange and propaganda, the silly religions, the asinine aesthetic canons, very little of that can be saved. But what can be saved is the sense of love and caring, and mutuality, that we all put into and take from the human enterprise. You know, there’s a Grateful Dead song that says “You can’t go back and you can’t stand still. If the thunder don’t get you, then the lightning will.” And we now hold, through the possession of these psychedelics, catalysts for the human imagination of sufficient power that if we use them we can deconstruct the lethal vehicle that is carrying us toward the brink of apocalypse. We can deconstruct that vehicle and redesign it into a kind of starship that would carry us and our children out into the broad starry galaxy we know to be awaiting us.
But it’s a cultural test. Nature is pitiless. Intelligence is a grand experiment upon which a great deal has been writ; but if it proves inadequate, nature will cover it over with the same kind of cool impunity that she covered over the dinosaurs and the trilobites and the crossopterygian fishes, and all those other folks that came before. So what we must do, I think, is see our future in the imagination. Catalyse the imagination. Form symbiotic relationships with the plants. Affirm archaic values. And spread the good news that what is out of control, what is in fact dying, is a world that had become too top-heavy with its own hubris, too bent by its own false value systems, and too dehumanised to care about what happened to its own children. So I say, good riddance to it! Bring on the archaic revival, and let’s create a new world!
originally posted by: southernplayalistic
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness
Wow, that was deep. Thanks for that response. Yeah, we can be trapped with words.
You seem like you've read a bit about Zen.
....that was well written.
originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: onequestion
I find it it kind of paradoxical. On the one hand things are cruddier than they ever have been, socially and politically and environmentally etc and so on. It is a lot of stress and pressure for adults - especially the ones who are glued to the television screen and scooping up all the atrocities into their brain. CNN and local news. Rape, murder, war etc.
But on the other hand, it seems like there has never been a time in history where there has been so much amazing technology. Incredible movies and CGI, mind-blowing video games, the internet, smart phones. A huge variety of exponentially accelerating technological possibilities. So when I see all of that, I always think of the younger generations. They are still uncontaminated, for the most part, and are growing up with all of this. The ones from middle to upper middle class families seem very happy and well-integrated. I have my own bias, but it seems like it would be the best time in human history to be a young person in many ways.
They are worth saving, as is everything else on the Earth that is still uncontaminated and full of promise and beauty. Everything else has been corrupted and a lot of people and social institutions are just spinning their wheels, unable to "get anywhere". Of course, there probably are deliberate manipulations. Scientific advance held back due to specific technological advances that could pose a national security risk etc. That is a conundrum I don't know enough about. If it turns out that progress has been held back simply for political reasons, then there actually are people responsible for killing, or trying to kill, the entire planet.
originally posted by: MimiSia
a reply to: corsair00
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