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originally posted by: stirling
NOW the west cannot back down to Russian beligerance or there will be more of the same elsewhere...don't you get it?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok
Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.
You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.
originally posted by: stirling
Now if that is the way Russia does business then we are obliged to the guarantees Ukraine received for its disarmament....period....
read your history crazywok.....we owe Ukraine better than what they are getting.....
originally posted by: stirling
Actually pal id suggest arming Ukraine with anything up to nukes if it would end Russian aggression....and do it free gratis.....
Im sure Russia doesn't want nuclear war on its doorstep....that's what they are for..... deterrence....
They can never be used by anyone really....
Anti armour weapons would be a good start...maybe even a squadron or two of A10s
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok
Just to be clear, it was Russia that first "Poked it's nose in Ukraine's business" by annexing Crimea and supplying troops and arms to East Ukraine.
So are you suggesting we just let Russia roll all over Europe and take what it wants just because it has nuclear weapons?
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok
Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.
You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.
Hitler did not have 10,000 nukes.
If he had he could have kept Europe.
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
So are you suggesting we just let Russia roll all over Europe and take what it wants just because it has nuclear weapons?
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok
Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.
You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.
Hitler did not have 10,000 nukes.
If he had he could have kept Europe.
So because Ukraine, in good faith, gave up it's nuclear arsenal and participated in the START treaty, the western world should just leave them twisting in the wind? That's cold, man.
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
So are you suggesting we just let Russia roll all over Europe and take what it wants just because it has nuclear weapons?
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok
Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.
You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.
Hitler did not have 10,000 nukes.
If he had he could have kept Europe.
No
Cause Britain and France Also have nuclear weapons.
So Russia wont be rolling over EU NATO lands for the same reason we shouldn't be rolling other Russian land.
That Reason MAD.
The lesson here is Ukraine should not have given up its nukes.