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Russia Warns US, Supplying Arms To Ukraine "Will Have Dramatic Consequences"

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posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.




posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: stirling

NOW the west cannot back down to Russian beligerance or there will be more of the same elsewhere...don't you get it?


What I get is Russia have 10,000 Nukes that could turn both our country's into glass/

Russia can have Ukraine for all I give a #.

Better alive and breathing and having to buy a new atlas with Ukraine removed than being turned in to radioactive dust.

I draw the line at EU/NATO country's.

But outside? Russia can do what the hell it wants.



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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The people in eastern Ukraine want self determinatoion. What's wrong with that when the USA showed the way with it's forced break up of Serbia when a minority there wanted self determination? Surely the same shoud apply to both

a reply to: ScientificRailgun



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok

Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.


Hitler did not have 10,000 nukes.

If he had he could have kept Europe.



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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A godamn treaty was signed in Budapest....That's why we are involved as signatory to that treaty...
It GUARANTEED Ukraines sovereignty...
For that they gave up their nuclear weapons....(I believe the ONLY country to ever do so that actually had effective firepower ....
Russia would never have done this without treacherously making sure the Ukraine was defenceless first....
Now if that is the way Russia does business then we are obliged to the guarantees Ukraine received for its disarmament....period....
read your history crazywok.....we owe Ukraine better than what they are getting.....



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: stirling

Now if that is the way Russia does business then we are obliged to the guarantees Ukraine received for its disarmament....period....
read your history crazywok.....we owe Ukraine better than what they are getting.....


If it was in my power id click my fingers and send all Russian troops home.

But I cant.

Nor can you.


With Russia holding the worlds biggest stockpiles of WMD's I don't see what anyone can do.

What would you suggest?

Selling US arms I thought you would be against seeing all you are all ways rallying against corporate America ect as all supply armes does is make a few CEO and politicians very rich and makes alot of Ukrainians on BOTH sides very dead.
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posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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Actually pal id suggest arming Ukraine with anything up to nukes if it would end Russian aggression....and do it free gratis.....
Im sure Russia doesn't want nuclear war on its doorstep....that's what they are for..... deterrence....
They can never be used by anyone really....
Anti armour weapons would be a good start...maybe even a squadron or two of A10s

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posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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It's almost like we are trying to provoke a war with Russia. The people of Europe and America will not win this war, nobody will win except those who live in bunkers and they sure will not enjoy their stay for the years they spend in those bunkers.

I am sure the people at the top of these countries will be safe, and their children will survive. Maybe this cleansing of the earth is being planned. If there is a major war, and we are going to die anyway, we should bury these bunkers so noone will ever come out of them.



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Other than a handful of people (like the ATS crowd), I seriously think that just about nobody in the general American populace is concerned at all with what is in my view a looming disaster of epic proportions. Heck, I even had to point out to some guys at work where Ukraine was on the map! I pray that this does not turn out to be tragic myopia on the part of my countrymen. If it does, then hopefully I don't get vaporized in the first strike so that I can use my knowledge of the map to get somewhere that the radiation won't be so bad.



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: stirling

I would suggest apologising to everyone for destabilising Ukraine and causing all this mess in the first place.

That might settle everybody down and the EU, Russia and Ukraine can try and sort it out.





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posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: stirling
Actually pal id suggest arming Ukraine with anything up to nukes if it would end Russian aggression....and do it free gratis.....
Im sure Russia doesn't want nuclear war on its doorstep....that's what they are for..... deterrence....
They can never be used by anyone really....
Anti armour weapons would be a good start...maybe even a squadron or two of A10s


Total. Madness

Go and play your proxy wars somewhere in the Middle East or elsewhere. Not on Russia's border, they are going to react big style and they are the biggest country on Planet Earth withy the most nukes. With attitudes like this we are really in big trouble



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok

Just to be clear, it was Russia that first "Poked it's nose in Ukraine's business" by annexing Crimea and supplying troops and arms to East Ukraine.

The Coup in Kiev occurred first and you know it. By the way Russian Black Sea Fleet has been based at Sevastapol, Crimea for centuries.



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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this will have a conflict that may start off a war that may never be dignified again!



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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Ukraine should have held back a few ballistic missiles this all would be moot.....
Russians traditionally only understand one thing....the power of violence.....
Crikey they are run by the ,FSB, and the Russian Mafia......



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It would be over before it started.

Not happenin.



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok

Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.


Hitler did not have 10,000 nukes.

If he had he could have kept Europe.
So are you suggesting we just let Russia roll all over Europe and take what it wants just because it has nuclear weapons?



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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Anyone remember Russias last gift to the Ukraine?.....Chernoble....??
These people need our protection...and we promised them just that.....



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok

Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.


Hitler did not have 10,000 nukes.

If he had he could have kept Europe.
So are you suggesting we just let Russia roll all over Europe and take what it wants just because it has nuclear weapons?


No

Cause Britain and France Also have nuclear weapons.

So Russia wont be rolling over EU NATO lands for the same reason we shouldn't be rolling other Russian land.
That Reason MAD.


The lesson here is Ukraine should not have given up its nukes.



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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Dramatic consequences?

Like what, cutting off the supply of webcam porn models?

Halting exportation of mail-order brides?

Say it ain't so!



posted on Feb, 11 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok

Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.


Hitler did not have 10,000 nukes.

If he had he could have kept Europe.
So are you suggesting we just let Russia roll all over Europe and take what it wants just because it has nuclear weapons?


No

Cause Britain and France Also have nuclear weapons.

So Russia wont be rolling over EU NATO lands for the same reason we shouldn't be rolling other Russian land.
That Reason MAD.


The lesson here is Ukraine should not have given up its nukes.
So because Ukraine, in good faith, gave up it's nuclear arsenal and participated in the START treaty, the western world should just leave them twisting in the wind? That's cold, man.



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