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Russia Warns US, Supplying Arms To Ukraine "Will Have Dramatic Consequences"

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posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: stirling

originally posted by: crazyewok
Honestly why is the US pocking its grubby noses in Ukraine?

Why cant the US just piss of and leave Ukraine to war on its own. The last thing a civil war needs anyway is MORE GUNS!.

Why does the US always feel the need to make things worse?


Anyway there are bigger threats the west is facing at the moments threats unlike Ukraine that are are actually threatening direct national security. Ie ISIS. concentrate on them FFS.


The threat from the Invasion of Ukraine is the biggest threat the free world faces right now Wok....ISIS ? ..meh


Oh give us a damn break with this crap already.
What threat to the free world? You do realize Russia is part of the free world yeh?

The invasion of Ukraine? When was Ukraine invaded? By whom?
Can you provide clear indisputable evidence? No? Then quiet with all your propaganda, bot-man.
It's one sides propaganda against the other sides propaganda.


Have the Russian's provided weapons? Probably. So what? Does that make them evil?
Isn't that the EXACT same thing that the Americans and their allies are doing in Syria? And have done in other parts of the world in the past, but we will stick to the current happenings in the world because they are happening AT THE SAME DAMN TIME.

Only a god damn fool, or one of those nifty little programs we heard about recently, would not realize this and post to the contrary.


Explain to ATS why it's ok for the USA to supply not only weapons to terrorists, but TRAIN THE DAMN TERRORISTS to fight against the Assad government, but it's not ok for Russia to provide weapons to ethnic Russians who want to separate from the Ukraine?

Explain to ATS why it was ok for the USA and it's allies to bomb the Serbian people(and I'm talking about civilian targets as well as military targets), who were fighting to keep their country in tact when Albanian terrorists aka the KLA, were trying to break away a slice of Serbia to create their own country?

Can you explain to ATS why it was ok for the USA and it's allies to supply weapons to the Bosnian Muslims and the Mujahadeen terrorists who flocked their to fight a muslim holy war, when the United Nations barred any country from supplying weapons and further fueling the violence?


Can you explain to ATS why it is acceptable for the USA and it's selected allies to break International Laws but it's not ok for anyone else to break International Laws?


Answer the questions DIRECTLY. Not with the usual bull**** we see from pro American or pro Russian armchair generals on the Internet.

I bet you cant answer and you WONT answer directly the questions I have put to you.




posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 01:40 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok

Just to be clear, it was Russia that first "Poked it's nose in Ukraine's business" by annexing Crimea and supplying troops and arms to East Ukraine.


Yeah they did.

Doesn't mean the USA should then poke there grubby noses in too.


In the last 60 years when has US interference ever resulted in any good?
Because an aggressive, expansionist Russia is a threat not only to Ukraine, but all of Europe.


And an expansionist USA and NATO military alliance is a threat to Russia.

What business does NATO have on Russia's borders? Russia was in hibernation. It wasn't bothering the world. It wasn't bothering it's neighbors. It could barely function within it's own borders.

However after two decades of American imperialism in the Former SSR sphere, the Russian bear has started to get it's act together and has woken from it's hibernation.

Russia is behaving the way it is because of American actions.
America has provoked this from Russia.

So don't bitch and cry now that the Russian's are pissed off and wont lie down and take whatever crap the Americans and their European servants serve up for the world.



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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i am surprised Russia has tolerated it all for this long....how did america react with the Cuba missile crisis ? hmm

NATO almost has Russia surrounded on all land borders and kick up a big fuss when Russia attempts to protect its backyard.

Bottom line America arms Ukraine to fight Russian armed troops....its genius really getting others to fight for them and for a fake cause.

To the pro Americans : are you blind to the fact that EVERY and i mean EVERY country America has armed / "helped" / invaded has been economically destroyed and mostly reduced to ruble.

To the pro Russians: Don't be foolish, use your eyes to see , that's what they are for . a quick search of youtube will reveal the extent of Russian influence in Ukraine

Both countries do not care about peace or civilians or Land they only care about 2 things money and who is going to Lead the world in a nwo

To be honest i am leaning towards pro nwo ..it will render all military useless and it will finally stop the needless killing of civilians
PEACE



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: mortex


What business does NATO have on Russia's borders? Russia was in hibernation. It wasn't bothering the world. It wasn't bothering it's neighbors. It could barely function within it's own borders.


Russia and the United States share a border, so naturally Russia is on NATO's border. For the past twenty years, Russia has been picking away at its former SSRs, taking a piece of Georgia here and a piece of Moldova there. You are right, however; despite these pathetic military conquests, Russia can still barely function within its own borders.




posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: mortex


What business does NATO have on Russia's borders? Russia was in hibernation. It wasn't bothering the world. It wasn't bothering it's neighbors. It could barely function within it's own borders.


Russia and the United States share a border, so naturally Russia is on NATO's border. For the past twenty years, Russia has been picking away at its former SSRs, taking a piece of Georgia here and a piece of Moldova there. You are right, however; despite these pathetic military conquests, Russia can still barely function within its own borders.





Umm russia dont share a land border does it? bering straight is the closest to them the US is.



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

This is all absurd in Russias part. If anyone wanted to arm anyone they would use international arms dealers that every country protects. The US wouldnt have to go through proper channels to arm anyone if it wanted and neither would Russia.

This is just more Putin logic in positioning.



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: mortex


What business does NATO have on Russia's borders? Russia was in hibernation. It wasn't bothering the world. It wasn't bothering it's neighbors. It could barely function within it's own borders.


Russia and the United States share a border, so naturally Russia is on NATO's border. For the past twenty years, Russia has been picking away at its former SSRs, taking a piece of Georgia here and a piece of Moldova there. You are right, however; despite these pathetic military conquests, Russia can still barely function within its own borders.





Umm russia dont share a land border does it? bering straight is the closest to them the US is.


A maritime border is still a border. In any case, the Soviet Union had its Warsaw Pact, which abutted NATO countries. Russia is just smarting because all of its former Warsaw Pact partners chose to join NATO instead.



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

It would have been better If US would concentrate on its own territory, infratructure and education? Schools and roads, bridges are in bad shape, My daughter and grandchildren live in South California and there are many problems all over the country that need fixing desperatly , the government should stop wasting money on wars, they have enough oil and gas? If they think they can win a conflict with Putin they will get a nasty supprice thrown at them ?



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

No that happened after the coup and overthrow the legal government in Kiev in Feb. 2014 ??



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stirling

The invasion of Ukraine is real, and has killed off as many as 50,000 by now according to some estimates....

Why is that the USA business?


originally posted by: stirling
Terrorists do not pose a direct threat of nuclear proportions yet...Russia does.....

Yeah so best not to bloody provoke them then!

You cant take Russia nukes away, they have them and there is nothing we in the west can do about them.

You certainly can be suggesting marching on Moscow?


All you have to do is continue on the path of the US is on and supply weapons to Ukraine and the Russian Nukes will come automaticly?? Putin already deployed a small tactical nuke a last sunday??



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: Cavemanjoe
a reply to: crazyewok

It would have been better If US would concentrate on its own territory, infratructure and education? Schools and roads, bridges are in bad shape, My daughter and grandchildren live in South California and there are many problems all over the country that need fixing desperatly , the government should stop wasting money on wars, they have enough oil and gas? If they think they can win a conflict with Putin they will get a nasty supprice thrown at them ?


The US spends far more on infrastructure and schools than they spend in foreign aid. So this is just funny in fact less than 1 percent goes to foreign aid. Just US economy is so much bigger that it makes it look like a huge amount to countries like Russia. See we have states which make more than Russia. So when they see 5 billion in aid over 12 years seems huge to Russians nit realizing that's a minor investment in Ukraine. And even Russia itself received more.



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: crazyewok

Nobody thought Germany was well equipped enough to do the damage it did in WWII. They had just begun recovering from a horrible depression, much worse than what Russia is going through right now.

You have to see the bigger picture. It's not just Russia, but China, North Korea, and other states sympathetic to Russia that could be united to become a new Axis power that threatens the entire world.


So right, Russia is much stronger and modern than you all think and when they get together with China you can bet the first object will be total destruction of US who started all this # in the first place !! US get out before its to late !!!



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 10:50 PM
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Given the Ukes economy and financial sheets are way beyond the "mess", they have little chances of being accepted to the elite country club of EU for next 3-5 years atleast.

Porky should come to his sense.........EVEN NOW.........and patch up with Kremlin and join the Customs Union. That would calm matters down for next few years.

In fall, the US flooded the oil markets and its allies like Saudi, UAE etc. did not cut production. This was done to hurt Russia and make it back track from supporting the Donbass rebellion. But instead of coming down on the speed gear, Russia went couple of notches up on the "support momentum" and Junta bitches got another round of "public stripping and spanking".

Now US and allies are trying to bring another cat out of the bag, which is "supplying lethal weapons" to Junta's mauled bitches. Items like anti tank Javelin missiles, anti material Barret 82 sniper guns, anti artillery radars etc. are on the list. However, all of these can be countered by Russia with only little effort.

Javelin has an infra red target locking system. These can be jammed, distracted by flares and push comes to shove use Shrota anti ATGMs system to kill them off 3 metres from the tank.

M82 barret: a powerful anti material rifle. But Russia can supply the anti sniper rifle systems to NAF and M82s can get 1 shot but then will be immediately located and pummeled severely.

Anti-artillery radar: Russia can supply counter electronic systems which will locate these sweeties and area targeted with dozens artillery shells to take them out.

End of the day, all these lethal weapons can only increase cost on battlefield by maximum 20% or so. On the other hand, Russia supplying similar goodies to anti West factions will have DC and London crying uncontrollably and complaining like Porky in latest Minsk meeting.

Porky should eat his ego and book an economy class air ticket to Moscow and have an airport city cab waiting to take him directly to Kremlin.

Btw, 9x increase in annual profits for Porky's chocolate business have been reported. Is he going to buy a fixed deposit bank CD for himself or give some to families of Junta's stupid soldiers who have gotten blown up in the Donbass and vicinity?



posted on Feb, 14 2015 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: victor7

You have no idea what your talking about do you?? Please tell me how you jam heat seekers. Your only option is to stop a tank from emitting heat. And guess what Russia doesn't have a thing that can so that. The tanks only hope keep everything turned off and only turn it on to fire a shot and than better run because that barrel will be hot. Shota would only work against one what happens when 5 javalins from people hiding aim at the tank I'll tell you it goes boom.my barret will take out things before they even know where the shot came from. There anti riffle sniper system doesn't have the range of the Barrett so that's a joKe. And anti artillery radar detects projectiles not other radar systems you think the name would have been a clue but you apparently missed that huh.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:12 AM
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I agree that US is in total denial as far as Russia is concerned, or their spy networks are not working as they should? Russia is not hiding itself from the world and displays its Military Capability openly? I believe it is even more advanced in Air (attack Helicopters) and Nuclear Subs? Also very powerfull new tanks to use in a landwar?
Remember a Fly-over of a russian jet over US warship in the Black Sea, the jamming system of the yet disabled all radar and electronic systems of the warship and it could not have retaliated if it wanted, that's why no US warships anymore in the Black Sea, they stay in the Meditaranian Sea?



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:44 AM
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originally posted by: Themarkedone
Really not a great idea, Russia have said in the past they will use nukes in the event they participate in full scale war, they're also friendly with many nations meaning the war could reach west Europe and possibly the U.S mainland.

I imagine it would be the war which puts us near extinction.

I know I'm not the only one who doesn't want to be nuked.


If Russia has to go with Nukes, they have 4 priority targets for their ICBM's, Washington DC for the political centre , San Diego (for its Marine base(, London for its Financial control center and the Vatican for the Jesuit politicans control, their air force and tactical nukes can take care of EU/Nato with very advanced tanks rolling over Europe in no time? I Think that would be Putin's first strike and warning to the rest of the world to get the hell out ???



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 03:54 AM
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originally posted by: Cavemanjoe
Remember a Fly-over of a russian jet over US warship in the Black Sea, the jamming system of the yet disabled all radar and electronic systems of the warship


Don't let an urban myth reinforce an over exaggerated "belief" of Russia's military prowess. Russia is good at killing Chechen civilians and annexing parts of other people's nations, but would have terminal problems against NATO. This reality will ensure that - contrary to what some people are predicting - war will not happen between Russia and the West. Oh, that and the nukes.

PS NATO warships regularly rotate in and out of the Black Sea, but mostly don't bother, and as Turkey can close the Bosphorus, the Russian Black Sea fleet is pretty pointless if push came to shove.

Regards



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Misinformation is you main tag!!

5 Javelins per tank.............bought them at garage sale prices? Can't jam and distract the IR seeker? check you notes again.

Anti-sniper range does not reach M82.............so what good is that anti sniper, to protect against BB guns?

Anti-artillery systems to kill projectiles only..........wrong, there are systems which zero down to fairly exact location from where a radar is operating.

Don't throw wrong information just for the sake of argument. That's really silly and not worth the time.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: dragonridr

Misinformation is you main tag!!

5 Javelins per tank.............bought them at garage sale prices? Can't jam and distract the IR seeker? check you notes again.

Anti-sniper range does not reach M82.............so what good is that anti sniper, to protect against BB guns?

Anti-artillery systems to kill projectiles only..........wrong, there are systems which zero down to fairly exact location from where a radar is operating.

Don't throw wrong information just for the sake of argument. That's really silly and not worth the time.


Only 3 ways to stop ir seekers flares and laser or masking heat signature. There is no jamming but I know once again people believe that Russians have weapons that defy the laws of physics.

We'll if they supply javalin s guess will see how well they do and by the way I have a feeling Ukraine would get them at yard sale prices if the US decides to send lethal arms only need to send a couple thousand.



posted on Feb, 15 2015 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: Cavemanjoe

China isn't Russia's friend look at the last agreement they made China raped Russia. Don't think if push came to shove China wouldn't send troops across the Russian border they have a long memory. And stull want there territory back.



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