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Ukrainians Rage Against Military Draft: "We're Sick Of This War"

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posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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I have faith in the Ukraine, no not at its corrupt leaders but at its citizens.

Ukrainians Rage Against Military Draft: "We're Sick Of This War"



When Ukrainian army officers came to the Ukrainian village of Velikaya Znamenka to tell the men to prepare to be drafted, they weren’t prepared for what happened next. As the commanding officer was speaking, a woman seized the microphone and proceeded to tell him off: "We’re sick of this war! Our husbands and sons aren’t going anywhere!" She then launched into a passionate speech, denouncing the war, and the coup leaders in Kiev, to the cheers of the crowd.


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With only 6% draft success the population is clearly against the war.

No weapon supplies are going to make up for not having enough soldiers to fight and that can only be replaced with mercenaries from surrounding countries.




posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So this lady speaks for the rest of them.....Was she speaking Russian at the time. It seems both sides are messed up this time and all they can do is clutch at straws to keep the people in the fight.


East = West........Military industrial complex......War is an industry.


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posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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So this lady speaks for the rest of them...


Yes, this is the mood now, similar things are happening also in the rest of the Ukraine...this shows what a population actual can do when it refuses to obey to the wrong things.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I hope the whole world will take her lead. Maybe we can skip to the part where we "beat our swords to plow shears and learn war no more".

As long as there are young men willing to die for unjust causes, there will be old men willing to profit from it.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: SubTruth

the lady was spot on , it is not the populations of countries that want to fight, they just want to live their lives in peace.

it's the damn politicians that make war and expect the people to do the fighting whilst they sit back in comfort and go home to their wives each night .

i wonder how many wars we would have if it was the politicians that had to do the fighting , not many i would think .



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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I wouldn't sign up to fight for that new government, one that was not started by the people but overthrew the other government. This new government was never voted on by the people. It appears more corrupt than what they had before.

You fight for the people of your country, not a few people who seized power. Ukrainians aren't dumb.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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I hope the whole world will take her lead.


She`s really brave for doing this which could lead her into jail...she`s got all my admiration.

It also shows Ukrainians, despite all the propaganda, know what is being going on.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So this lady speaks for the rest of them.....Was she speaking Russian at the time. It seems both sides are messed up this time and all they can do is clutch at straws to keep the people in the fight.


East = West........Military industrial complex......War is an industry.


She definitely speaks for me and much of the rest of the world. Humanity is waking up to the futility of war. We are sick of it.

Humanity is waking up to the true driving forces of war. While most of the world is suffering through chronic and worsening poverty, a hand full of truly evil globalists are stealing us blind and sacrificing our families for money. God damn them!

Soon the villagers may point their weapons at the officers. The 1% is terrified of this inevitable scenario and are bugging out in record numbers.

I'm calling out any pro war members on this site as being part of the problem and suggesting you may wish to reconsider your positions as people are waking up here even faster than the rest of the world.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
I have faith in the Ukraine, no not at its corrupt leaders but at its citizens.

Ukrainians Rage Against Military Draft: "We're Sick Of This War"



When Ukrainian army officers came to the Ukrainian village of Velikaya Znamenka to tell the men to prepare to be drafted, they weren’t prepared for what happened next. As the commanding officer was speaking, a woman seized the microphone and proceeded to tell him off: "We’re sick of this war! Our husbands and sons aren’t going anywhere!" She then launched into a passionate speech, denouncing the war, and the coup leaders in Kiev, to the cheers of the crowd.


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With only 6% draft success the population is clearly against the war.

No weapon supplies are going to make up for not having enough soldiers to fight and that can only be replaced with mercenaries from surrounding countries.


This is amazing. If true and becomes widely known this could be a unifying factor for many around the world. Love to see when the populous stand up for themselves and don't blindly go along, regardless of mine or their political views.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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We should join our collective voices with her, and start a "We are sick of War" movement. Start a facebook page. lol

But, really, if this attitude caught on, it would change the world.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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What an encouraging article. It is truly awesome to see things like this. Power to the people, thank you for sharing this OP. Most uplifting thread I've read in awhile. a reply to: BornAgainAlien



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
I have faith in the Ukraine, no not at its corrupt leaders but at its citizens.

Ukrainians Rage Against Military Draft: "We're Sick Of This War"



When Ukrainian army officers came to the Ukrainian village of Velikaya Znamenka to tell the men to prepare to be drafted, they weren’t prepared for what happened next. As the commanding officer was speaking, a woman seized the microphone and proceeded to tell him off: "We’re sick of this war! Our husbands and sons aren’t going anywhere!" She then launched into a passionate speech, denouncing the war, and the coup leaders in Kiev, to the cheers of the crowd.


Source

With only 6% draft success the population is clearly against the war.

No weapon supplies are going to make up for not having enough soldiers to fight and that can only be replaced with mercenaries from surrounding countries.


Heard this a.m. on CNBC that a number of high ranking Ukrainian government types are signaling that it may be time to concede the easter/russian speaking provinces to Russia. Those provinces are bankrupt anyway and its pretty obvious that Obama isn't going to supply military aid to Ukraine. In the final analysis, that may well be the best solution. It would be sheer folly for NATO to take on Russia over Ukraine''s eastern provinces. (just my opinion).



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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And here is a video for your listening pleasure. I couldn't agree with you more. STOP ALL THE WARS.They do nothing but destroy.

Ten Years After: youtu.be...



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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On the other hand Petro Proschenko is facing a rather contradicting development within his administration.


Quite a few in Kiev see violence as the best way to deal with the Ukrainian separatists.
Although Poroshenko had solicited for arms and military aid from NATO countries at the Munich Security Conference like never before, which is usually rather the line of his pro-American head of government Arseny Yatsenyuk, in the end, Poroshenko advocated the EU course: a diplomatic solution to the crisis - without arms supplies from the West.

However, the hawks around Poroschenko prevent him from any concessions to the rebels at the peace talks in Minsk, as commentators stress.
Ukrainian Nationalists already accuse their President of treason because of the loss of territory.


Source (Süddeutsche Zeitung - German)



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
This new government was never voted on by the people.

Actually it was. End of October 2014.

With a voter turnout of ~52% total of the population in western Ukraine.
About ~2.8 to 5 million people in eastern Ukraine (not counting Crimea) did not participate in the elections though, so it would be more accurate to say the Government was never voted on in eastern Ukraine.

(Numbers according to Tagesschau)



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I wouldn't sign up to fight for that new government, one that was not started by the people but overthrew the other government. This new government was never voted on by the people. It appears more corrupt than what they had before.

You fight for the people of your country, not a few people who seized power. Ukrainians aren't dumb.




But your facts are........innacurate to say it kindly.....lets see some sources for your statements....



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 02:58 PM
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It`s a mess over there.

For what is worth, I recently read ultra nationalists battalion Azov near Mariupol had defences on both sides, against the Separatists and against the Ukraine army. But they have done an attack today, but in general they retreat to a safe place very quickly once under pressure.

Also it seems the UAF isn`t participating in the actual fighting anymore, but stays back and sends in some conscripts.

We also have the Oligarchs now trying to be loved.

It looks like a lot of the different fractions are trying to preserve themselves now the support for Poroshenko is dwindling.

A peace might well last for a short period with the rest of the Ukraine also going into civil war.
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posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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I wouldn't sign up to fight for that new government, one that was not started by the people but overthrew the other government.


Actually the people did start this new government when they voted for president, and when they voted for parliament.

And what is funny is the fact Yanukovych's own party were right there wanting him gone by the way of impeachment...which is a big reason he fled to Russia with the help of Putin.



This new government was never voted on by the people.


And yet it was.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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Heard this a.m. on CNBC that a number of high ranking Ukrainian government types are signaling that it may be time to concede the easter/russian speaking provinces to Russia.


And yet Russia says they should stay as part of Ukraine...


According to the left-leaning Russian daily newspaper Novaya Gazeta, which cited officials within the Kremlin, sources within the cabinet of ministers and pro-Russian insurgents, Russia has abandoned the idea of either war-torn region becoming an independent state, instead preferring that both remain autonomous regions within Ukraine.


www.ibtimes.com...

I guess just giving them to Russia really isn't an option, as it was shown above Russia isn't going to support the separatists regions.



posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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I wouldn't sign up to fight for that new government, one that was not started by the people but overthrew the other government. This new government was never voted on by the people. It appears more corrupt than what they had before.


The level of corruption in Ukraine is beyond imagination of anyone living in Western countries.
For example, Arsen Avakov Minister of Internal affairs was on Interpol list before his recent appointment.


Charged on 31 January 2012 with illegally transferring land, Avakov was placed on the international wanted list of Interpol on 21 March 2012.[7] He was detained in Frosinone (Italy) late March 2012.[7] An Italian court placed him under house arrest as a preventive measure on 12 April 2012.[8] In October 2012, Avakov was elected into the Ukrainian parliament on the party list of "Fatherland" (number 24 on this list).[7][9][10] This led to a court ruling on 10 December 2012 that canceled the restriction measures against him (detention and a warrant for his arrest).[6] He returned to Ukraine the next day, on 11 December 2012.[7][6]


According to Leonid Roitman (convicted member of a criminal gang) ,he said that seeing what kind of people elected in Rada (Ukranian Parliament) is like El Capone being elected in the US Senate lol. One of guys who is currently elected as "parlamentarian" in his previous life in USA was serial killer. Almost everyone in Ukrainian government have a close ties to mafia according to this source. The source is unreliable, though I'm somewhat prone to believe him about that said killer, because he have numerous photos with him and whole their gang back in 90-ties in USA.




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