INTERNET bans for people who post anti-Jewish messages online demanded by MPs in the U.K

Why don't we just ban government? It's based upon the threat of violence, it is violence, it is thievery and it is basically a religion of the master- slave paradigm.


I am not in favor of banning any type of speech. I am against any type of censorship. This is one of many ways the sociopathic, parasites in charge are tightening the noose around our necks. It is time to shake these parasites off.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: uncommitted

That is the way BBC news is going with the story ,no mention of a broad group in hate speech jut anti-Semitism

Did you read the link I posted? The analysis and conclusions clearly show it should apply to ALL faiths..... I've just got a funny feeling you would rather ignore that.

As i said all the headlines in the newspapers and BBC tv reporting have said anti-Semitism not hate speech in general

Not for nothing but aren't Arabs considered Semitic by ethnicity as well?

I only ask because of all the talk about Jews this, Muslims that, that has been going on in this thread.

a reply to: Punisher75

The term Semitic seems to be getting hijacked by Israel as it's own when it applies to the area , the Palestinians are seen by many as the true Semitic people of the area .

I think this news is to avert attention away from the massive destruction by Israel of homes of Palestinians and the building of new homes illegal under law .

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Punisher75

The term Semitic seems to be getting hijacked by Israel as it's own when it applies to the area , the Palestinians are seen by many as the true Semitic people of the area .

I think this news is to avert attention away from the massive destruction by Israel of homes of Palestinians and the building of new homes illegal under law .

I don't claim to know the inner mind of Israel as a country, nor what that has to do with a law being passed in the U.K. but as the law sits the question I have is only this.
Would it not apply to Muslims as well?

originally posted by: Punisher75

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Punisher75

The term Semitic seems to be getting hijacked by Israel as it's own when it applies to the area , the Palestinians are seen by many as the true Semitic people of the area .

I think this news is to avert attention away from the massive destruction by Israel of homes of Palestinians and the building of new homes illegal under law .

I don't claim to know the inner mind of Israel as a country, nor what that has to do with a law being passed in the U.K. but as the law sits the question I have is only this.
Would it not apply to Muslims as well?

Yes any Muslim is just as Semitic as any Jew this would apply to Christians as well.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Punisher75

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Punisher75

The term Semitic seems to be getting hijacked by Israel as it's own when it applies to the area , the Palestinians are seen by many as the true Semitic people of the area .

I think this news is to avert attention away from the massive destruction by Israel of homes of Palestinians and the building of new homes illegal under law .

I don't claim to know the inner mind of Israel as a country, nor what that has to do with a law being passed in the U.K. but as the law sits the question I have is only this.
Would it not apply to Muslims as well?

Yes any Muslim is just as Semitic as any Jew.

Ah okay.
Well while I don't like the law at all, as I am all for freedom of speech, at least the tyranny is spread evenly amongst the Anti-Jewish crowd and the Anti-Muslim Crowd.

a reply to: Punisher75

I think it would but it seems this is a money grabber from a M.P at a Jewish conference and to snag as many votes as possible .

This kind of stuff is getting out of hand just this week a kid in America got busted for sending smiley's in a tweet

a reply to: douglas5

I agree free speech has to be defended, the politicians are jumping on the band wagon which in the UK has a long history, Thatcher started this 30 years or so ago following the terrible heysal stadium riot she blamed the Liverpool FC fans' when in fact the evidence later showed that a hard line element among the Juventus fan's had actually fired a starter pistol at the Liverpool fans' this prompted angry fathers who thought the gun was real as well as other fan's to stand up in anger and trouble ensued between the two side's.

Thatcher nevertheless blamed the English side and the Liverpool fan's using it to justify more draconian crowd control law's and regulation's in the UK even though the riot happened abroad, she likewise made it harder for people to protest and to assemble without a permission in massed group's thus paving the way for a form of civil martial law and suppressing freedom of speech in the UK.

Later government did not reverse these unjust and anti civil measures and indeed in some cases actually have since expanded upon them, in fact it has been made all the harder as without free assembly and speech the British public are like sheep being fed only what information from official and controlled news sources that the PTB want they to hear with alternative line's of information denigrated or else made out to be in some way biased while in fact it is obviously the truth that the source of this denigration is the real biased party.

If any one of us think's that any of us with less than seven zero's before the decimal point in our bank's live in a free world and a fair society then we are obviously of a low intellectual capacity.

The Internet will be censored and in fact it is already to a very large extent, though I am no fan of piracy the event's which pirate bay suffered are a prime example and are in part due to the fact that in a country (Sweden) that was once one of the most freedom loving liberal society's in the world with one of the highest living standards but is now swaying to the far right with that society dividing under pressure from mass Islamic migration who only over the past 30 years have gone from less than one percent to over 4 percent and is projected to rise as high as 20 percent in the next 20 years of it's population and the abuse of there welfare system by these and other immigrant's Sweden is teetering on the brink of becoming a class based right wing nation, reversing these policy's that were never intended for migrant's but for there own people and polarized more and more to the extreme right as growing resentment among native swede's is capitalized on by there right wing minority extremists and right wing government element's.

This next article show's how the same propaganda machine can be used in reverse to hide the inconvenient truth or serious matter's.
Caution this site may be a biased and even politically right wing fascist site so take with a shovel of salt and see if you can verify these stats on the web.
www.frontpagemag.com...

The causes are many and this is a growing pan European and American problem which is being used by these right wing power mongering element's to set us against one another and gain credibility for there rather evil minded and vile policy's.

What are we going to do about it, curl up in a quiet corner and die as we are obviously incapable of organising and fighting for our right's against these fascist scum.

As for the specific Jewish statement it is a simple fact that we in Britain may crack a joke about jewish and being part Jewish myself I know it was just that, people skit what is different to themselves and there normal social tribal grouping but ever since we opened our borders a much stronger and viler form of anti Semitism has seeped across partially from eastern Europe and partially from the Islamic community.

Jews are people, they have a different religion, a different private social culture among themselves, a polarized view of Israel with some Jew's flatly refusing to recognize it as they believe the new Israel will be established only when the messiah come's (Which is exactly the Christian version from the book of revelation with the second coming though they do not accept jesus as they are still waiting for the messiah), while other's remember how there people were despised and made scapegoats' of with no national identity to protect them and as a displaced people having to rely upon what ever nation they were in to look after there interests while seeing themselves and being seen as a separate people in those nation's so regard Israel as a necessary entity for there own survival no matter where they are in the world.

So I walk down the street in the 70's, two people walk past and a question is asked by one to the other, are you catholic or are you protestant, the answer result's in a fight.

Now are the government merely seeking to capitalize in order to place more control on us, Yes they most certainly are.

A lesson from history, if you suppress freedom of speech you make it more popular and it's adherent's more aggressive eventually bringing the system that imposed these restriction's and it's entrenched power mongers down so maybe in the long run what they are doing is actually a good thing as the straw that broke the camel's back will surely come back to haunt these hypocritical right wing B"!£$rds.

Remember this a politician is not your friend, most are in it only for themselves and there policys reflect this no matter what country you are in, as the world is made more open for there benefit we are exposed to a larger and more diverse world but the downside is that systems once put in place for our own people's are then exploied by opportunistic immigration which it then used as propaganda by those who wish to remove these very systems to cut tax for there less than one percent anti nationalist internationalist corporate gangsters who fund there political careers behind the scene's.

Even when freedom of speech has undesired element's it is essential that it be kept open for all as a pressure release valve and a method of public debate, suppressed speech fester's and turn's into hatred and of course hatred is one of the root causes of extremism while another is a society that is not strictured enough to protect itself against outside influence.

The paradox of this is that freedom of speech is essential but also some level of censorship is essential, the problem who is censoring and what are they censoring, what is there agenda and is it truly for the public good or more likely for there good of vested interests, interests who probably do not have our well being at the heart of there hidden agenda.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Free Speech? British Police Hunt Down Buyers of Charlie Hebdo police had visited a newsagent where she had ordered a copy of the magazine “requesting the names of the four customers who had purchased Charlie Hebdo“.

21stcenturywire.com...

And we can see where this is going ,no more singing ba- ba black sheep for children , not being able to call a roller pole on a building site /now a roller extension ,own a copy of Mein kampf and get a visit from the coppers

www.theguardian.com...

Under the pretext of “fighting terrorism” the British government has allowed the unthinkable to happen, as police have somehow managed to acquire and then upload what equates to approximately 33% of the UK population – 18 million ‘mug shots’ – into a nationwide, real-time facial recognition tracking system.

the UK police have acquired 18 million facial mug-shots that have already been cross-referenced with a valid ID.Far from tracking criminals, the new system may eventually be used to track and monitor individuals who hold what authorities consider to be “anti-government views”.

Police forces in England and Wales have uploaded up to 18 million “mugshots” to a facial recognition database – despite a court ruling it could be unlawful. then add on what Scotland and Ireland added

21stcenturywire.com...

a reply to: buster2010

Banning people for anti-Jewish internet activity would be a bad idea. ATS would lose half of its members.

Beautiful propaganda from the MPs and the MSM puppets.

If you are reading this then read my lips, I am not anti-jewish, I am anti-zionist.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Terrible law, written by people that don't understand technology. Putting aside if it's right or wrong for the moment this is impossible to enforce. How can the UK police something a person in Canada or Iran has written? Is it just a law that UK residents aren't allowed to speak against certain groups? What if their speech against that group is in another country, such as Nigeria hosting the server where the speech is saved?

This will not work.

a reply to: douglas5

Exactly that was my point about the protestant and the catholic, there has always been sectarian divide and religious divide but now it is more extreme, nevertheless the Terrorism flag is being waved by all the concerned party's in order to clamp down on social freedom and speech followed by social mobility as certain groups then become flagged as extremist when in fact they may only have voiced an opinion, there are extremists as we know but who is fostering this and is it part of a large plan to destabilize then control our society's by implementing CONTROL measure's that a hidden group of true extremists right wingers have had wet dream's about since the year zero, they see us as Sheep and themselves as the only group worthy of existence.

Free speech has been paid for in blood by our own lad's and over in the US they know this more than most so when someone comes to silence it they are actually traitorous and corrupt as there agenda can be nothing but bad, hiding the truth concealed the holocaust and will again if we allow these evil people to continue there global rule plot, we have to stop them by any mean's necessary or else all the lives sacrificed in the name of freedom will have been for nothing at all.

Take this Cameron Prat he constantly goes on about there being too many old folk's and wanting younger voters, why, the young do not have the experience of the past so they do not remember and this make's it easier to sell them crap while the old are a stumbling block to change in policy's that are detrimental to the population as they remember what it was like before and know what it will be like again, the cry there is no money yet there is more money than ever before, we paid off the lend lease and even when in debt we put our social care first but not the Tory's (I do draw a distinction between Tory and Conservative, conservative's are ok in my book but I disagree with there politics), oh no not them or there lackys in new labour (old labour is real labour but Blairites were merely Tory's in sheep's clothing or they would have reinstated student loan's and free education thus abolishing the class system once and for all).

Anyway our politics stink's in this country, there is not one decent above board politician except Alex Salmond and I disagreed with him but would like to see a true believer like him who cares for the future of the nation replace these cynical money boys in 10 downing street who only care for the opinion of the CBI as I believe he would be good for Britain as a hole and so I do hope he get's into Westminster but we need a new party as the old one's are rotten to the core.

You Know the CBI was always influential but they were never running the country until the past 20 year's, they are not elected they are money men who want to strip away our workers right's abolish the unions and reduce tax and public services to make us into slaves which is exactly what the Tory's are doing, they brag about getting people into work but why are they not showcasing the whole story of these people many of whom are not full time and even after work have bare cupboard's and no food, only under the coalition have we seen Soup Kitchen's and Food Bank's being used as before that it was unthinkable, "the Credit Crunch" who they hell do they think they are we came out of the war with a shattered country, all our money went to pay for the rebuilding of Europe and Japan via the lend lease agreement, our nation was on ration's until the 1950's yet still we got social care, social housing, state pension, national health service and state subsidy's to help struggling business provide job's and weather bad economic time's until that is Thatcher came along and over the length of her office broke our system in favour of short term gain politics burning the future for the now, this is why they want the old out of the way.

The Old Remember and they know, they remember what it was like and see the future for there grand children is bleak indeed, it took the tory's over 50 years but they got there hated class sytem back and now are rubbing it in with a state surveillance and brainwashed culture that they can easily control, were are the truly independent news papers, were are the truly independent television station's so they control what you see, hear and therefore think, we have to wake up (the last thing they want) and face it we are slave's and they are evil people who think we are there property.

The reason the words "Hitler" and "Holocaust" show up so much on social media is probably due to the chosenites throwing it at everyone at every opportunity, in order to maintain their special victim status. It's probably the same with the term "anti-semite", but they probably left that one out due to it's massive over-use!

The problem I have with all this ridiculous "hate speech" and similar legislation, is that it's a very dangerous and slippery slope to be going down. Once the censorship begins, where does it end? Who decides what is now classed as hate speech and ready to be censored?
Before we know it, simple criticism of the royals, the government, religion etc will all be deemed hate speech. Hell, why not then start re-education of the offenders through medication and specialist reprogramming institutes and prisons?

Much of what is reported as hate speech these days is nothing more than simple opinion and asking the "wrong" questions.

originally posted by: douglas5
INTERNET bans for people who post anti-Jewish messages online demanded by MPs in the U.K

Imo this is stupid for many reasons.

First the freedom of speech

Secondly if they were smart, and wanted to profile people, and find where the hate was actually coming from, they would eventually be able to pinpoint who is posting this type of hatred.

Let is all hang out I say, because keeping it quiet is worse because you don't know who is harboring the hatred.


Peace,

RT

originally posted by: douglas5

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: uncommitted

That is the way BBC news is going with the story ,no mention of a broad group in hate speech jut anti-Semitism

Did you read the link I posted? The analysis and conclusions clearly show it should apply to ALL faiths..... I've just got a funny feeling you would rather ignore that.

In the reports I read it was clear that the recommendation had been from a group who had been looking at anti Semitism. What was also clear was that they didn't say any ban on hate speech should be limited to that which is anti Semetic.



As i said all the headlines in the newspapers and BBC tv reporting have said anti-Semitism not hate speech in general

In the reports I read it was clear that the recommendation had been from a group who had been looking at anti Semitism. What was also clear was that they didn't say any ban on hate speech should be limited to that which is anti Semitic. What the 'headlines' say and what the actual story is are more often than not two different things. If you had read the report I linked to from the BBC news web site it extremely clear.

Maybe they should spend some time asking themselves why the whole world has a negative view of them for once. But they already convinced themselves they are never wrong.

How such a small group of people managed to take over the world and dictate how it's run boggles the mind. When laws like this pass defending Palestinians online will land you in gitmo.

Now not as a matter of faith but as a indication that other's see the same level of corruption and evil and we must stand together regardless of our faith's against the evil we all see in these politicians please have a read of this,
www.endtimesdaily.com...
Even if you are not a Christian what is there to disagree with it hit's every point right on target and is correct, at least in my opinion.
This was a religious group in California over a year and a half ago now but everything they say is right, the internet policy is merely the tip of the ice berg in a very big plan to seize power from the people and to put it into the hand's of a very small and corrupt minority who arguable already wield that power but need to do this to remove certain constraint's on there action's, remember also after control and removal of right's come's population control and a moneyless society in which you have an RFID chip implanted and all your work pay is replaced by a credit system, if you are not useful/wealthy and your RFID say's so then you will have your health care curtailed or stopped and may even be culled like a dog that has gotten old once they are able to roll out this scheme.
Make no doubt about it these politicians are every bit as bad as Adolf Hitler and the Nazi elite.