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Important -- how to in 10 sec shut up a ProVaccine person

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posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

Injuries due to a vaccine can be pursued they set up a separate system specifically for that. Your link only explains part of that.



What Is the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program? www.nvic.org...



NVIC's co-founders worked with Congress on the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which acknowledged that vaccine injuries and deaths are real and that the vaccine injured and their families should be financially supported and that vaccine safety protections were needed in the mass vaccination system.




posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: EternalSolace


Is the only way to negate that risk compulsory vaccinations?
No. The risk cannot be negated but it can be greatly mitigated.




What do we do with the unvaccinated?
Attempt to educate them. Failing that, reduce their exposure to the general population. Don't allow the children to attend schools would be a feasible approach.


We could just have segergated schools again.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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One commonality in the pro vaccine circle, is complete trust in the medical industry. You trust in the medical industry so much that you act as if you personally sit in on medical boards, and as if you personally inspect the ingredients in the vaccines and other drugs that are pumped out, stuck in vials, and expected to replace the human immune system.
What about nutrition? It amazes me that nutrition is all but left out when it comes to curing disease.

For instance, I personally know of a 4 year old child who died of cancer. In the last months of life, that child ate sugary junk food and jello as the main source of food, while receiving massive radiation treatments. On the other hand, I personally know an 80+ year old man who was told he had less than a year to live because of stage 4 colon cancer. He tripled his efforts of improving his health using good, but basic nutritional products, and 2 years later, his colon cancer is almost gone. In his case, the local doctors would not even schedule him for tests because they thought that it was a waste of time. In both of these examples, nutrition is a main ingredient to the story.

Some more real life information that I consider.

I have three children, and my sister has 3 children. My family does not vaccinate, and my sister's does. Her children are always sick. My children are rarely sick, and when they do become sick, it is hard to tell. In fact, the health of my children is much better than that of my sister's.

There is so much reason to mistrust the medical industry. But so many people jump on the band wagon, no questions at all. I think that this is because they refuse to entertain the thought that a decision they made can be hurting their own children. And if modern medicine does hurt otherwise healthy children (plenty of supporting evidence), then when pro vaccine people call for forced inoculation, you are messing directly with my family, in deciding what is best for me and others like me. Others that do not trust the medical industry, and by extension you.

From my perspective, this decision to vaccinate your children relies almost entirely on second hand information from the medical industry/big pharmaceutical companies , politicians, and the main stream media. When Pro vaccine people state that "they would love nothing more than to line all of the "anti vaccers" up and punch them in the face, or "put them on an island and send them blankets (really smooth by the way), I remind myself that these people are foraging for and gobbling down their information along with their pharmaceuticals and vaccines from the medical industry. And the desire to hurt us stems directly from their willingness to swallow the big Pharma lifestyle, pills and all.

After looking at the big picture of corruption, as well as the details in and around my own life, I have decided not to vaccinate. In fact, in some ways, I am excited about the prospect of forced inoculation. People will not stand for it. And those of you who have the same ideals as me, I suggest you strengthen your resolve, and get excited about what is happening.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: Pardon?

My response was not about mortality rates to begin with. You brought that up. My response was in regard to the condemnation of others and calls to regulate their behavior through the talking point of a "measles outbreak". Again the fact that SRV can cause deaths and does yet people hypocritically do not feel obligated to protect society by quarantining their children should show how much of a farce the whole situation is. Again media (the mouthpiece of corporations and government) has given you this talking point to influence how people think and it is working.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: PizzaAnyday505

I just have one question: Do kids that do not get vaccinated ever wind up autistic anyway? What studies show this? Or ... what studies show this not?



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

www.fda.gov...

Page nineteen above.

This goes back a while. www.accessdata.fda.gov...:5.0.1.1.4.8

These don't give particulars but there is a page somewhere that spells out some basic guidelines. A drug can be released in as little as thirty days of clinical trials on humans. A doctor may be required to submit input for the drug to be used, this adds to the required further testing of the drug. Usually it is a specialist, not just a regular doctor. This last paragraph is from what I remember from the article that addressed this issue, one that was a guideline of the FDA approval. I can't remember how to find that one, and I used to have a link to it on my old computer, which had a hard drive failure.

These regulations are created to speed up the process of making a medicine, including new flu vaccines. If there is a similar vaccine already out, it also speeds up the revision process. If this wasn't the rule, they would not be able to make a flu vaccine, the virus would be mutated by the time the vaccine was approved, two to three years later.

I see the need for this speedy approval of drugs in order to get medicine out as needed. It does not cover all drugs, but does include stuff like upgraded vaccines and new antibiotics. Anything classified as possible pandemic is covered if I remember right.


edit on 8-2-2015 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: Denoli

originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505
a reply to: Elton

You make it sound like homeschooling is a bad idea

At home my kid would learn right from wrong and would finally have the answer to question

Why does everyone hate the US


And when does he move out your basement ?


I think this attitude touches upon what may in fact be the crux of this debate. Not the medical efficacy of any particular inoculation but, rather, a pack mentality which considers ‘society’ (I presume they mean the state rather than their neighbors) an as good or better parent.

Most social engineers certainly have a predisposition to remove the variables of culture, ethics and morals if only to have a simpler equation to work with.

So, at this point I get the distinct impression that it isn’t about herd immunity.

Apparently, it’s just about the herd.
edit on 8-2-2015 by greencmp because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: PizzaAnyday505




posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: apydomis

Actually, my husband does work making vaccines. The process and ingredients are the same for animals as they are for people. What differs is that some of the adjuvants and preservatives can be used in animal vaccines that cannot be used in human ones and the safety and efficacy requirements for human vaccines are much more stringent.

So, yes, I do trust my own husband's word on these.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: ketsuko

www.fda.gov...

Page nineteen above.

This goes back a while. www.accessdata.fda.gov...:5.0.1.1.4.8

These don't give particulars but there is a page somewhere that spells out some basic guidelines. A drug can be released in as little as thirty days of clinical trials on humans. A doctor may be required to submit input for the drug to be used, this adds to the required further testing of the drug. Usually it is a specialist, not just a regular doctor. This last paragraph is from what I remember from the article that addressed this issue, one that was a guideline of the FDA approval. I can't remember how to find that one, and I used to have a link to it on my old computer, which had a hard drive failure.

These regulations are created to speed up the process of making a medicine, including new flu vaccines. If there is a similar vaccine already out, it also speeds up the revision process. If this wasn't the rule, they would not be able to make a flu vaccine, the virus would be mutated by the time the vaccine was approved, two to three years later.

I see the need for this speedy approval of drugs in order to get medicine out as needed. It does not cover all drugs, but does include stuff like upgraded vaccines and new antibiotics. Anything classified as possible pandemic is covered if I remember right.



That is generally what is called a specifically called a conditional release. It is only used in the case of an emergency. It is used when they have a specific and immediate need, and then, yes, the government can waive some of the release requirements, but the company still has to demonstrate inactivation or attenuation and purity before use and release.

And it in no way exempts the company from having to complete all the usual studies ASAP despite the partial confirmation of efficacy release. So for any conditional release vaccine, all they have is the early evidence that it does provoke immune system response.

Basically your H1N1 Swine Flu vaccine was one of these, and this was why we avoided it. The Swine Flu would have had to have been one bad bug before my husband would have felt the risk of a conditional release vaccine, even one based on something as tried and true as the seasonal flu vaccine method, was worth the reward of not getting a flu.

However, your old MMR, tetanus and other usual vaccines are all tested and produced under consistent, regulated methods. So your fears that they are being tested after release are unfounded. Even the yearly flu vaccine is tested and made under the normal methods. We may not get it, but that's more because we almost never get the flu with or without it (this was the first time in almost 8 years).



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505
a reply to: Chadwickus

Here you go

www.tacanow.org...




"While the cause of autism remains unclear, current studies show genetics and environment both play a role in the autism prevalence increase"

has somehow become "vaccines cause 1 in 80 chance of autism"!!

Unbelievable.
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posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: apydomis
One commonality in the pro vaccine circle, is complete trust in the medical industry.


This is a leap that people against vaccinations seem to be making frequently in these posts. Why is it that you think this is true? This is a discussion of one topic, vaccinations, and has nothing to do with any number of bogus medical industry topics. Why is somebody that wishes to get vaccinations just a person blindly eating up what they are told?


originally posted by: apydomis
...He tripled his efforts of improving his health using good, but basic nutritional products, and 2 years later, his colon cancer is almost gone.


Nutritional products, like those sold by the nutritional product industry, which are a profit driven business long known for making claims they can't back up. Don't get me wrong. I'm a firm believer in the strength and use of medicinal plants and they're underutilized in our western culture. Of course what you do is research the claims made about the product and make a decision because some of the products are good. This is what responsible people do with vaccinations should they choose to get them. Note that I didn't assume that you or the person you mention blindly ate up what the nutritional industry says.


originally posted by: apydomis
There is so much reason to mistrust the medical industry. But so many people jump on the band wagon, no questions at all. I think that this is because they refuse to entertain the thought that a decision they made can be hurting their own children.


Again the assumption that everybody has made no effort to educate themselves.


originally posted by: apydomis
From my perspective, this decision to vaccinate your children relies almost entirely on second hand information from the medical industry/big pharmaceutical companies , politicians, and the main stream media.


Where is the information you rely on not to vaccinate your children coming from?


originally posted by: apydomis
After looking at the big picture of corruption, as well as the details in and around my own life, I have decided not to vaccinate.


I support your right to do so. I don't support giving the government any more authority over individuals than it already has.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther
They don't view your kids as "your" kids. They see them as society's kids, and social edict trumps your relationships with your children.

They don't want you to be able to raise your own children your own way because they think you're an idiot and can't be trusted. So they want to force you to do it in all their well-meaning sociopathic glory. It's not a "this kid is mine and that one is yours" thing to them at all. They will never understand that argument because they think you're an ignorant twit and a threat to the safety of your own children.

For the good of society. Their version of it.

I actually think the whole thing has less to do with medicine or conspiracy, and instead centers around the raging ego of the enthusiastic vaccinator.


I agree, I have been trying to think of an interesting hypothetical but, very few actually match up with the concerns on all sides well enough to be thought provoking.

One might be, let’s say that I invent a permanent antibiotic treatment that prevents all infections and hence all potential carrier scenarios. The only trick is that it kills off all of your enterobacterial flora so you can’t eat food anymore, you have to switch to intravenous nutrition.

This is way better than any vaccine or inoculation, you absolutely can’t deny the benefits not only to yourself but to everyone you may ever interact with.

What do you do?

Do you take the treatment?

Do you mandate the treatment?

Note that there are no deaths associated with this treatment as I am such a nifty inventor, the only problem is the pesky eating thing that folks are so enamored with.

I really don't need an answer, it's a hypothetical.



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posted on Feb, 9 2015 @ 12:08 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Actually, my husband does work making vaccines.


How do you sleep at night

MMR vaccine alone is responsible for more than half of vaccine caused autism

I know how you do it. By closing your mind to evidence, i imagine it is the only way you can live with yourself.

DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING BECAUSE IT WILL CAUSE GUILT -- you have been warned


I can prove it to you that you and your husband haven't even researched one iota connection between autism and vaccines

In the 50s and 60s and even later, vaccines were made without adjuvant or thiremisol. This made them last very short time like merely 1 month, and even shorter if sporadically refrigerated

Once the industry started solving the shelving problem with chemicals and metals in vaccines

That is when human immune system started causing fevers that end in autism that later is diagnosed as the baby grows

How do you sleep at night
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posted on Feb, 9 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505

originally posted by: ketsuko
Actually, my husband does work making vaccines.


How do you sleep at night

MMR vaccine alone is responsible for more than half of vaccine caused autism

I know how you do it. By closing your mind to evidence, i image it is the only way you can live with yourself


Easy there big fella, the message here is about the individual right to choose. Vaccines and inoculations are indisputably beneficial to most people. I am sure that he is indeed proud to be a part of preventing unnecessary suffering.

They may not last as long as we were told and they may even be downright ineffective. Yes, they may even be responsible for a variety of chronic conditions (yes, possibly even including autism).

I just don't think they should be administered against anyone's will. It is the very same argument that I make against every other socialist totalitarian intellectual reduction.



posted on Feb, 9 2015 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505
a reply to: DJW001

HAHAhaaa

I couldn't give a flying F for your explanation of heard immunity

Just go and get your damn vaccine and make sure to poison your kids too

I will just watch you from aside as you play lottery with your kid's lives


I am a scientist, or let's just say I've spent the better part of my life studying and practicing science. My father is the head of a major lab at a major pharmaceutical company, one that has created a drug that saves thousands of lives a day (a rather biased estimate, but I'm willing to wajor it's correct), and my older brother is a medical doctor. I'm on a conspiracy website, I don't buy into everything I'm told, and I think for myself. I say all this not to win an argument, but because I genuinely feel you are wrong and because of it people could be hurt, or killed, maybe today, maybe ten years from now. Please, take it from someone who isn't trying to force you to do anything, someone who would probably know better in this given situation, you are wrong and should reconsider.

An interesting read...

www.washingtonpost.com...
and another

m.huffpost.com...


and another...

m.huffpost.com...


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posted on Feb, 9 2015 @ 12:46 AM
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I am not interested on reading main stream media whatever they say

Scroll just a few posts above and read my post that starts with How do you sleep at night if you want the truth

And that you won't find in MSM



posted on Feb, 9 2015 @ 12:57 AM
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The whole entire problem is here:

We see the same agencies that tell us everything they regulate is safe, at the same time as not having a problem with at the same time they BAN things that everyone knows is not harmful.

The problem arises that we cannot verify for OURSELVES that these products are as carefully and MORALLY prepared for consumption as can be.

The security around the protocols involved appears to be beyond NATIONAL SECURITY in epic and breadth.

Our healthcare rates are going up at levels that match the national debts, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE??

Why are the hospitals OVERFLOWING before the next one is built if these people were actually interested in making sure we do not contract disease ??

How can we get someone who is not BIASED to vouch for the process of all of these chemicals and what they do to different genome traits ??

The people who DO KNOW that things can go wrong are kept silent with such mantras as , Find Another Doctor.

WoW the doctors lately are RAGING at having people tell them they are having reactions to things they are not supposed to in the doctors mind.

After nearly dying many times in hospital myself with an almost totally destroyed immune system, I had much time to analyze MYSELF.

FOR ME, those vaccinations were basically a death sentence, it is amazing that I am alive.

How can we get FULL DISCLOSURE ON ANYTHING, and why should we believe that Multi-BILLION dollar corporations do not have access to information that escapes even the most dedicated MORAL worker.

I would love for these vaccinations and technology to advance and cure all, but until we can SEE for ourselves how it all works, believing in those companies is extremely foolish, ANYTHING can be infiltrated.

WHY THE SECRECY in HEALTH CARE.

WHY ARE THE HOSPITALS OVERFLOWING MORE AND MORE.

WHY ARE COSTS DOUBLING EVERY TWO YEARS.

WHY IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED but NOTHING stops this vaccination protocol !!!



posted on Feb, 9 2015 @ 01:06 AM
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You should question the Washington Post perhaps they have misquoted Mister Franklin??

In the article you post he mentions his son dying of Smallpox in 1736 and wish he had inoculated for it, how is this true since the inoculation was not invented until 1798??

Franklin DIED 8 years before it was even invented.

Classic.



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