UFO & Aliens & The Physical Evidence

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Did you review any of the evidence presented in the videos before you entered a discussion on the physical evidence of ET and UFOs?

Videos? Certainly not.



Laboratory reports are not produced on video. They are written down.



Sworn depositions are not made on video. They are written down.



Somebody talking is not good enough. I want to see figures, numbers. I want to be able to go over them myself. I don't even care about the results, let me first look at the methodolgy of the experiment or investigation.



Raise your intellectual game. Videos are for rabble.

Lolz ok then you have no idea what they discussed and are uninformed as to what evidence they present.

Please educate yourself on the topic being presented before you comment on the topic being presented, that way you dont sound uninformed as to what the topic being presented is.

This is just comedy when people post and have no idea what the topic of a discussion is.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord



Did you review any of the evidence presented in the videos

Exactly what evidence would that be? Please tell us.



I think the problem is you think "evidence" is a youtube video.

You clearly havent watched the videos either:
Just for starters after you watch the video you will see physical evidence like the fragment found which they think may have been part of an ET craft? May be a meteor fragment from mars or something.

Theres more like the tested landing sites, fragments found in bodies, etc, but its pointless to discuss it if your not willing to watch the video and educate yourself about what it could have been.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The internet around 2009 in regards to sharing multimedia and networking seemed to me more integrated. I find now the problem is that, thanks to Facebook especially, people are over-connected and over-saturated with content. At this point, there is so much being shared by so many people that it has actually turned into a psychological phenomenon similar to how people tune out commercials, don't read instruction manuals or the terms and conditions before buying and installing software and programs etc and so on.

At a certain point several years ago, the attention span of the average person was much stronger and therefore the feedback generated in different areas of the web were much more cohesive. Now the brain's bandwidth is all hogged with tiny bits of this and that.

I kind of miss the old days... LOL

originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



The internet around 2009 in regards to sharing multimedia and networking seemed to me more integrated. I find now the problem is that, thanks to Facebook especially, people are over-connected and over-saturated with content. At this point, there is so much being shared by so many people that it has actually turned into a psychological phenomenon similar to how people tune out commercials, don't read instruction manuals or the terms and conditions before buying and installing software and programs etc and so on.



At a certain point several years ago, the attention span of the average person was much stronger and therefore the feedback generated in different areas of the web were much more cohesive. Now the brain's bandwidth is all hogged with tiny bits of this and that.



I kind of miss the old days... LOL

I know right people dont have the patience to sit through a few short videos, its quite telling as to what the future will be like.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
you will see physical evidence like the fragment found which they think may have been part of an ET craft? May be a meteor fragment from mars or something.

So in fact they do not know what it is, as it was never properly examined.... If it was properly examined, please link us to the formal report on it.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

you will see physical evidence like the fragment found which they think may have been part of an ET craft? May be a meteor fragment from mars or something.

So in fact they do not know what it is, as it was never properly examined.... If it was properly examined, please link us to the formal report on it.

This is just comedy gold! Dude what on earth are you talking about watch the video if you want information on the object then move on from there, are you that lazy your not able to watch a few minutes of video. If you had the sense to watch the video you would see that it was tested by various sources but since you refuse to educate yourself on something so simple as watching a video which is just a few minutes, I dont see how explaining it further would be of any use to you.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
you would see that it was tested by various sources

Why is it so hard for you to link to the formal reports.... it seems that you cannot as they do not actually exist... come on, just link us to them!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

you would see that it was tested by various sources

Why is it so hard for you to link to the formal reports.... it seems that you cannot as they do not actually exist... come on, just link us to them!

Not doing it for you bro, go ahead and watch the video if you want more information, I got better things to do that educate you, only you can educate yourself with the information you wish to learn.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Roger Leir spent years and years plucking out foreign objects and never went further than identifying them as 'alien implants.' He didn't communicate with microbiologists or send these objects to academic labs for tests. He didn't explore other terrestrial reasons for why a small number of people could have foreign bodies in their extremities (hands, feet etc). Even though he and his associates had *proof* of life outside of Earth and a sinister programme to conquer us all, he just trawled around the UFO Conference circuit and did a couple of radio shows.

Is that how you would act? Of course you wouldn't and nobody else would if they believed what they were selling.

There's a wonderful guy called Tyler Kokjohn who's actually a genuine PhD microbiologist. He's out and about and open to evidence in implant claims. In fact he contacted Dr Leir and offered to analyse these 'alien implants.' No surprises, Leir didn't reply. Kokjohn's university is happy for him to interact with the 'UFO community' as part of 'educational outreach.' He tales the scene seriously and offers alternative explanations that have a testable basis.

For example, he's pointed out that the human body sometimes processes minerals in peculiar ways and sometimes faulty ways. We get mineral deposits building up like gall stones etc. We can also suffer a rare condition called channelopathy that describes various forms of mineral beginning to agglomerate in parts of teh body. Iron is one of them and, due to the mass, forms deposits in hands and feet. *If* these foreign objects are removed and analysed conventionally, they wouldn't be recognisable as originating in the human body. However, when their origins are known (i.e. surgically removed), they are identifiable.

One of the arguments of 'alien' origins is the way these foreign objects abide in the body without causing immune responses. In the case of naturally formed deposits (like above), there is no immune response. The danger occurs when the build-up begins to affect circulation or cause pain by pressing into nerves etc. We can step on glass as children and small shards could become 'stuck' in feet or hands. They can move around the body for years and cause a cyst behind the ear or elsewhere. There are long, bizarre medical histories of foreign objects being discovered in humans. Just last year (iirc) an adult woman had a sharpie marker (felt tip pen) removed from her intestines after it had been there for decades without her knowing.

With regards to the 'transmissions,' again we have to take their word for it. No evidence!

Away from Leir, his buddy the 'Alien Hunter' and the freakshows they created, there have been physical evidence cases. Some of them have been thoroughly investigated by reputable labs and genuine academics in specialist fields. Unfortunately, these examples aren't YT videos and require some reading.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Not doing it

Simply because you cannot! Thank you for admitting that.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Does anyone really think that there would be such sustained debate about ET if it weren't already reality. The fact that we are still debating/arguing is in itself indicative that it must be reality!

The breadth and depth of subject matter, the sheer number of incidents, eye witnesses (credible) and the actions and contradictions of TPTB, lame excuses, secrecy etc etc is also indicative of the fact that there is reality in what is being discussed, debated or disputed!

Get over it! ET is here and they have been around far longer than us!

History is not what it seems or what is taught its far more interesting and encompassing that that!

And proof is only a confirmation of what people already know and have stated!

There's sustained debate about religion. Does that prove that God is real? No.

Where's the testable evidence proving that extraterrestrials exist and visit earth and abduct people? Wouldn't you think that will all this sustained debate some would have surfaced? Alas, none has surfaced. Almost 70 years and zip testable evidence. Of course, you could change all of that by citing some. How about it?

The two in my view are not comparable! One is just myth without any real credible witnesses/evidence and mainly based on a book. It also doesn't make any sense like the existence of ET does. Science - Physics and Biology supports the likelihood of ET!

Religion is just a belief system not a viable scientific biological probability!

R vs ET - there is no contest!!

Really? There are plenty of "witnesses" claiming that they've seen Jesus and Mary and that God talks to them. Of course it's based on a book of myths. The Extraterrestrial hypothesis is based on plenty of witnesses claiming they've seen ETs and have communicated with them. Lots of books have been written about these claims. What missing from both beliefs is a shred of testable evidence. The mere statistical likelihood that there is life elsewhere in the universe is not testable evidence that there is nor is there an iota of testable evidence that extraterrestrials have visited earth and abducted humans. If you know of any, please cite it.

originally posted by: corsair00
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The best documented case of an alien implant is from Whitley Strieber, who has a bestselling book and movie made about his paranormal experiences. His website is very interesting and unusual. But he has spoken at length about an implant experience he had in 1989. His wife believes it opens up his mind. He has had an ongoing variety of paranormal visitations from early childhood. There seems to be a strange combination of occult, extraterrestrial or interdimensional and possible human and/or time travel elements. He said that he could feel the implant turning hot sometimes - it is in his ear, and he has tried a few times to have it removed and the thing actually moved. So it is both biological and technological. With 1989 technology, be it alien or parallel timeline humans or something like that, either way - all technology evolves, so I can only wonder what similar tracking technology is like nowadays.

It reminds me of a few different things related to tracking different Earth species for scientific studies concerning genetics, reproduction cycles and even radiation contamination or general pollution. I saw a documentary called 'Secrets of the Tribe' that highlighted anthropological expeditions to very remote parts of the Amazon to study tribal groups of humans in their most pristine habitat, untouched by modern civilization. One of the earlier expeditions turned out to be funded by the Atomic Energy Commission, and part of the deal was that the anthropologists were to test the tribal peoples for signs of radiation, presumably to get a handle on just how much damage their atomic tests had created worldwide.

I am of the belief that the original atomic detonations in New Mexico themselves were largely responsible for ripping a hole in space/time and alerting these interdimensional beings to the unbridled scientific progress of us humans. Since then we have seen such strange mysteries as cattle mutilations (also usually within close proximity to facilities testing nuclear weapons) and alien implants. I think the aliens are probably tracking specific bloodlines and performing a type of genetic upgrade on a global scale to create a new species beyond homosapiens - one which will possibly be capable of interstellar travel and generally more advanced in every way.

It's hard to see it now, but I bet the younger generation is ready for it. They might have their own hybrids segregated away off-planet as well. If that is the case, our overpopulation might be part of their agenda as well, with the survivors either being the preselected "chosen ones" who may already be implanted, or will eventually be chipped at some future point if the floodgates ever open (CERN black hole experiment??)

A bestselling book, a movie and talks are testable evidence of an alien implant? Hot damn! Stop the presses! If Whitley Strieber said it it must be fact! After all, that's how fact is determined: someone says something is fact and that makes it so! Do away with all that scientific testing and just let Whitley Strieber issue proclamations. Done deal.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Does anyone really think that there would be such sustained debate about ET if it weren't already reality. The fact that we are still debating/arguing is in itself indicative that it must be reality!

The breadth and depth of subject matter, the sheer number of incidents, eye witnesses (credible) and the actions and contradictions of TPTB, lame excuses, secrecy etc etc is also indicative of the fact that there is reality in what is being discussed, debated or disputed!

Get over it! ET is here and they have been around far longer than us!

History is not what it seems or what is taught its far more interesting and encompassing that that!

And proof is only a confirmation of what people already know and have stated!

There's sustained debate about religion. Does that prove that God is real? No.

Where's the testable evidence proving that extraterrestrials exist and visit earth and abduct people? Wouldn't you think that will all this sustained debate some would have surfaced? Alas, none has surfaced. Almost 70 years and zip testable evidence. Of course, you could change all of that by citing some. How about it?

BUT no live credible witnesses testimony or other indicative evidence! Not only that common sense tells you GOD and religion is poop!!

Oh man, such amazing surprises are in for so many of us! hahahah

I have the distinct impression that these subjects would be better appreciated divorced from the "alien" meme. I could help redirect another way of understanding it, but it might be somewhat disturbing or equally hard to believe. So maybe I will just leave this one alone...

originally posted by: corsair00
Oh man, such amazing surprises are in for so many of us! hahahah



I have the distinct impression that these subjects would be better appreciated divorced from the "alien" meme. I could help redirect another way of understanding it, but it might be somewhat disturbing or equally hard to believe. So maybe I will just leave this one alone...

Please do enlighten I wonder where your train of thought could be on this.

Are you talking about the implant parts of the videos or the ships and fragments mentioned?

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Well, as far as physical evidence is concerned, I prefer to element 115. Bob Lazar claimed the existence of such element in 1980s, and it was finally created in 2003. Coincident?

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Well, for example, just recently Whitley Strieber was talking in a private section of his website in detail with reputable researchers such as Joseph Farrell, Catherine Austin Fitts and Richard Dolan. Many in the UFO world have a lot of respect for Dolan, especially. He can cater to both the "disclosure" side as well as the "contact" side, for lack of a better way of stating it. But he has also introduced a new meme into the mix which seems to be the cutting edge in terms of getting an intellectual handle on many of these subjects. And that is "the breakaway civilization". Then Farrell ties it into the bad old days of Nazi research and Fitts ties it into a hijacked global economic system and they all suggest that some MASSIVE project, something tantamount to a "secret space program" has been in the works for quite some time. Fitts started off as a simple economist working under the Bush administration, it's just that she stumbled into all of this stuff by following the money. However, at the core of all this there is still an undeniable "occult" or paranormal aspect. But even Strieber recently in 2015 said that it is much different than he had originally thought and that there seems to be a definite human/occult component that relates to the Nazis and covert parts of the military. The radio program these three did tied it all together in a very rational, scientific and undeniable way that would likely persuade skeptics and "believers" alike.

My opinion from researching the internet, books, cable TV, dvds, friends, relatives and neighbors since 2009... something is happening to Earth. I had my own brief 3 minute sighting of two orbs in space in April 2009. My sceptical position on the ET subject changed. To the debunkers and non believers I am sure it gives you an awesome sense of power to say to yourself.... I am the only game in town on this planet. I dont have to worry or be afraid of anything in the dark, or otherwise. I used to enjoy that feeling...now I sleep with a night light on and a dog. After researching all the information for years, I would say the truth is in/ out there somewhere. Think about it, thousands of sightings every year, history for thousands of years of sightings. I had some people tell me their real live stories, and they are upstanding people. I had to believe them. I told trusted relatives I saw something in the sky move, and those people just shut down. They thought I was crazy or saw something like planes. These people can not handle real reality. Even under normal situations most people can not handle real reality of real life. This is why drug and alcohol has become a big problem in society. I don't think people can transition to thinking life exists elsewhere, some humans on this planet can not get along with the others on this planet. I feel the human race is made up of those who are smart and responsible and aware, and the others who are on auto pilot and who are non thinkers. Arguing about reality does not change it. It is what it is.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

not only that they dont research the evidence showed in the videos,

Have you?

Others have tried but their is nothing to research other than peoples claims.

Have you found something in your so called research that is testable and able to be verified by others?

If so please do share or stop talking from a planet in our solar system.

Hey guys, first poster here from the land of Aus. I have lurked and researched a lot behind supposed evidence posted online, but I find that YouTube, apart from witness testimonies, has a lot fake videos that are basically click bait in order to get views.

Through forum archives and IRC channels, I have managed to find better footage of videos that apparently get taken down when uploaded on mainstream media sources such as that McPhersons videos from '89, Billy Meier's 8mm film, the non-Japanese film footage from Dulce Papers etc.

If there was more ways to share the research, evidence (footage, pictures etc.) through torrents and not a single source on ATS or Youtube, I believe it would help maintain the legitmacy of some claims. Otherwise, like on Youtube, it's like having well researched evidence among a sea full of click-bait view hungry videos.

Thanks for listening to my 2 cents.