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Bonesmen should not be President

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posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 06:08 AM
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Does anyone agree with me that a member of the "Skull & Bones" secret society should NOT be allowed to become President of the United States?

If they have taken an oath to place their loyalties with other "Bonesmen", how could they possibly serve the best interests of the American people?

www.cbsnews.com...




posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 07:46 AM
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I would agree and say that any organisation that behaved in that manner would be a threat to national security, but they are National Security aren't they? It's hard to police the police I guess



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by AllseeingEYE
If they have taken an oath to place their loyalties with other "Bonesmen", how could they possibly serve the best interests of the American people?

www.cbsnews.com...


Then you'd have to say the same thing about MASONS. And frankly,
I think George Washington and the other founding fathers, who were
Masons, did a fine job serving this country. Many many masons are
in the military serving their country with distinction and honor.

I have no problem with bonesmen taking an oath to serve this country.
I have no problem with masons taking an oath to serve this country.

If they screw up after taking the oath .. kick 'em out.
That's the American way.



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
If they screw up after taking the oath .. kick 'em out.
That's the American way.


So I assume you are a Bush supporter?



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 07:44 AM
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So I assume you are a Bush supporter?


Yes, he is. You will find an intellectual pattern to the kind of posting of a Bush supporter.


Yes, a Skull and Bones member or a Mason should not be allowed to become the president of America. But tough luck.



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child

So I assume you are a Bush supporter?

Yes, he is. You will find an intellectual pattern to the kind
of posting of a Bush supporter.


SHE. Yes, SHE is. If you are going to bash a person
at least get the information about that person correct
to begin with.


Intellectual pattern? As a psychologist I wonder
what exactly your training in detection of intellectual
patterns is? What exactly is your understanding of
the term 'intellectual pattern'?

Of course Bonesman and Masons are allowed and should
be allowed to continue to serve this country. Note the
fact that I stated before - George Washington and the
founding fathers were masons. They served this country
with honor, distinction, and with much self sacrifice. To
disallow Bonesman or Masons just because of the fraternity
that they belong to, would have deprived America of her
founding fathers. That would have been an ignorant
thing to do. Also, nowhere does the law state that Masons
or Bonesman are enemies of this country and that they
should be barred from serving this country. Legally and
morally, they have every right to serve and defend America
as anyone else has. To deprive them of this right, based
on inuendo and unsubstantiated 'conspiracy theories' would
be illegal not to mention not well thought out.



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by AllseeingEYE
Does anyone agree with me that a member of the "Skull & Bones" secret society should NOT be allowed to become President of the United States?

I do not agree with you no.


If they have taken an oath to place their loyalties with other "Bonesmen", how could they possibly serve the best interests of the American people?

Do you want to ban all fraternity members from elected offices then?



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 08:07 AM
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I think in order to make a judgment about if a persons affiliation to a society, fraternity etc would be inappropriate in regards to holding public office, we should look at said organization. What are the objectives and motivations behind Skull and Bones? Are they a benign Collage Fraternity or is there something more sinister about them? Do they do charitable works for instance or is their sole aim to get as many people into positions of power as possible?
It would be wrong to paint an organization as"bad" without knowing all the facts.
As a UK citizen i have no Axe to grind here but stories and rumor follow any organization like this.



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Of course Bonesman and Masons are allowed and should
be allowed to continue to serve this country. Note the
fact that I stated before - George Washington and the
founding fathers were masons. They served this country
with honor, distinction, and with much self sacrifice. To
disallow Bonesman or Masons just because of the fraternity
that they belong to, would have deprived America of her
founding fathers. That would have been an ignorant
thing to do. Also, nowhere does the law state that Masons
or Bonesman are enemies of this country and that they
should be barred from serving this country. Legally and
morally, they have every right to serve and defend America
as anyone else has. To deprive them of this right, based
on inuendo and unsubstantiated 'conspiracy theories' would
be illegal not to mention not well thought out.


You cannot deprive America of it's founding fathers; they are dead. However, the current administration is doing a job in depriving America of the rights the founding fathers fought for. And you are supporting it, correct?

Further, no the Skull and Bones and Masons should not be allowed.

1. It is unfair to the rest of the people for these elite socities to have a monopoly over power in the state. It is against democracy.

2. The President America should not be part of a satanical society(Skull and Bones) For obvious reasons.

3. The President's loyality should be to America and not some elite society.

4. The elite socities are complicit in the NWO and the wars.

[edit on 17-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by Janus
It would be wrong to paint an organization as"bad" without knowing all the facts. stories and rumor follow any organization like this.


Exactly. To make an emotional snap (rash) judgement to
ban Masons and Bonesman from serving their country, based
on inuendo, unsubstantiated rumors, and perhaps paranoia,
would be, in the very least, pure injustice.

Geee, I have heard terrible things through the rumor mill about
the girl scouts (really, I have). I think that any girl scout leader should
be banned from public service based on those rumors and inuendos.
- sounds silly, doesn't it??



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
You cannot deprive America of it's founding fathers; they are dead. However, the current administration is doing a job in depriving America of the rights the founding fathers fought for.


You wish to deprive America of those who are willing to serve
based solely on their membership in a fraternal organization.
A fraternal organization that we don't know about because it's
a closed society. If you were to have your way, you would deprive
America of it's FUTURE George Washingtons, it's FUTURE
Thomas Jeffersons. The founding fathers would never have been
able to function and future great leaders wouldn't be allowed to
function and serve based on their fraternal organization. America never
would have come to be. God only knows what future brilliant
leaders this country would be deprived of.

Your claim that this administration is taking away peoples rights
is a different subject. The Bush Administration may or may not
be taking away peoples rights. That's debateable. But even if
it were true (which I don't believe it to be) you'd have to tie that
in with a Bonesman agenda to prove your case that it is because
G.W. is a BONESMAN that these rights (allegedly) are being taken
away. You would need access to a Bonesman agenda to be able
to show the correlation. Do you have a substaniated Bonesman
agenda to educate us with? If so, please provide.

Otherwise, this is just a case of someone not liking what they
think the administration's agenda is and it can't be tied to a
college fraternity that was attended over 30 years ago.

Side note for whoever - wasn't KERRY a Bonesman too?
Aren't former VP candidate Jack Kemp and former
Pres. candidate DOLE Masons?



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 08:49 AM
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I just want to add that if a President does not seem to be doing his job, that he can be kicked out of office. That can be done by the people in 4 years time, or by Congress when ever they get the wild hair to do so. I dont think membership in a society should by law prohibit some one from running for office.



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 08:55 AM
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Indigo Child says:

"Yes, a Skull and Bones member or a Mason should not be allowed to become the president of America. But tough luck."

Sure. And let's forbid Blacks or Mormons or Mexicans or homosexuals or Jews, while we're at it.

I mean, if you're going to be a bigot (which you are, of course) why not go all the way?

[edit on 17-12-2004 by Off_The_Street]



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Further, no the Skull and Bones and Masons should not be allowed.

1. It is unfair to the rest of the people for these elite socities to have a monopoly over power in the state. It is against democracy.

2. The President America should not be part of a satanical society(Skull and Bones) For obvious reasons.

3. The President's loyality should be to America and not some elite society.

4. The elite socities are complicit in the NWO and the wars.


1. Please provide proof that the Masons and the Bonesman have
a monopoly over power in the state. As far as I can see, we all still
get to vote on who we want and don't want to put in office. The
choices aren't always the best, but we still get to choose. True,
the fraternity of Masons have many people running for office. But so
do the other fraternities and groups.

As far as being against democracy .... America is a REPUBLIC.
We have democratic institutions. One of which is our voting system.
The people themselves decide if they want to run for office. The
people decide who to vote for or not to vote for. Rich S.O.B.'s like
SOROS can try to buy the democrats the election, but as we saw
in 2004, that doesn't necessarily work.

2. The president shouldn't be part of a satanical society? Well, I'd
very much like it if NONE of the politicians were part of satanic groups.
However Planned Parenthood, who kills human babies for profit
(doesn't get much more satanic than that), has a stronghold over the
Democrats and I doubt we will see it lessen anytime soon. I guess
we should all be praying that people are given light to see darkness
and not to vote for it. I highly doubt President Bush is in a satanic
society. He's a Born Again Christian. At least that's what the left keeps
complaining about. Which is it? Is he bad because he's in a satanic
group and he's sworn allegiance to it, or is he bad because he's a
Born Again Christian and he prays and reads the bible too much?

3. Absolutely the president should be loyal to America and not to an
elite society over America. All presidents should favor America's interests
over ANY society - be they Boy Scouts, ACT UP, Planned Parenthood, the
NEA (Rich leftist teachers union), the Sierra Club .... However, I do not see
any president now, or in the past, showing more loyalty to their college
fraternities than to America. I HAVE seen presidents who act suspiciously
like they have been bought by special interest groups. Should we ban
politicians if they favor special interest groups? Special interest groups
have big $$$ and influence politics, not always for the betterment of
America. hmmmmm. If we ban based on college frats, then banning based
on loyalty to special interest groups (loyalty to special interest $$ is
more accurately stated) should definately be a consideration too.

4. The elite societies are complicit in NWO and Wars. Could be. But
considering they are secret societies .... we don't know that. What
exactly is an 'elite society'? Bonesman and Masons? Or does it go
to college frats other than Bonesman? There are a bunch out there.
How involved would this ban be? How far would it go? Would you
ban girl scouts? They are world wide AND they have VERY big ties to
Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood practices the satanic
religion of human sacrifice AND Planned Parenthood does it on a
world scale. The satanic group Planned Parenthood also has large
ties to the NEA (rich teachers union). Major $$$ are involved with all
three groups. Also, millions of deaths through Planned Parenthood
change populations in different countries, so they must be working in
conjunction with the other NWO groups. Based on this alone, I'd say Girl
Scouts are tied to an elite demonic society and they should be banned
from any political positions in America. Plus all Planned Parenthood and
school teachers should be banned too. They definately are involved in
a satanic group with ties that have world significance.
(
I'm being sarcastic folks ...
teachers and girl scouts - don't flame me!)



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 09:48 AM
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My question is this:

How do you propose going about banning Bonesmen from political office? And if you ban them from politics, would you endorse banning them from other important areas of American structure, such as finance, insurance, defense, legislation, medicine?

I'm afraid the notion is not only impossible, but wholely un-American. If they were born here, they have just as much the right to run for office as any other American does.

And yet, I agree that the overly pervasive influence that Bones members have had on American dealings at home and abroad does raise questions. Most of which deserve answers.

But what we see with Bonesmen infiltrating just about every American institution and doing their best to manipulate them in self-interest, is simply a reflection of the type of control that has occured in every human system.

It was the same with the Roman Catholic Church, Greek and Roman Societies, and every single monarchy ever known was established on this very type of system.

It's called the 'Old Boy Club', or more contemporarily, 'networking'. It is human nature to band together with those of like mind and motivation in order to obtain security and power. If one has a problem with this, I think they should learn how to play this game themselves and learn to work together to stop it.

Wouldn't that be ironic?

Oh, and good luck with that...



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 10:26 AM
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My problems with skull and bones is the blatant disrespect against the native people of this county. I am speaking specifically about Geronimo.

For those of you who dont know Prescott Bush our president grandfather dug up the remain of this warrior who fought diligently against the oppression of the Europeans. Why did he do this you ask? Well between masturbating in coffins, playing dress up as the devil, don coyote and the pope they had nothing else better to do on a Saturday night. I guess performing rituals with the remains of dead native Americas is a good way to pass the time. Beat reality TV. God Bless America



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 10:31 AM
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Off the Street,
you made the coment:
I mean, if you're going to be a bigot (which you are, of course) why not go all the way?

I do think you called that one right, there are several other dsescrptive nouns that could be thrown in there also, but will leve those out.

[edit on 17-12-2004 by Red Golem]



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by DaTruth
My problems with skull and bones is the blatant disrespect against the native people of this county. I am speaking specifically about Geronimo.


This is widely believed to be untrue. A hoax.

In fact, many of the 'rituals' that S&B purportedly participate in, are mostly creative exaggerations dreamed up by those who think too much about it, without finding out for sure(most people), or they are legends created by Bonesmen themselves to add to the 'Legend' of Bones.

Can we just remember that these people, while members of S&B at Yale, are college students? Yeah, maybe particularly intelligent and talented college students, but still of a drinkin' beer gettin' laid mentality.

The only reason S&B exists is to help prop each other up with their chosen fields of expertise and power, and to live wealthily and powerfully upon the power structure that they've built over the generations.

It's what they call in the gettin' a job world as 'networking'. Like I said, the "Old Boys Club", which is solely for the purpose of hookin' a brutha up.

It's genius. I wish my early American ancestors would have done it.

[edit on 17-12-2004 by DeltaChaos]



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

1. Please provide proof that the Masons and the Bonesman have
a monopoly over power in the state.


Ok I am not one to judge but it's obvious that you are extreme in your beliefs. I live in D.C and I will Tell you that if you want to make it in politics you have to join a secret society. All the nice cars in D.C and Maryland have the little mason/shrines/ whatever symbols on it. D.C is Masonic in its layout. I mean get a clue. I see it all the time. I think mason who do 100 on the highway get pulled over and just because they are mason they don't get tickets.

The fact that Kerry and bush ran against each other should tell you something. I knew Kerry was going to get the nomination about 3 years ago. It was to ensure that bush got reelected. Read between the lines. Of course it is pointless talking to you I can see by your post you have a very one sided approach in you logic.

Me on the other had I am indifferent on the issue. Secret societies have been running the world since the dawn of written history. What do you think Egypt was? And is till this day. Once again take a look at the lay out of D.C and Arlington cemetery and the pyramids of Giza and the valley of the dead kings. Nuff said



posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaChaos

This is widely believed to be untrue. A hoax.



Perfect example of disinformation. When the trtuh is told discredit it. Here is something you might like to read



The story unfolded when Apache tribesmen from Arizona debated whether to have Geronimo exhumed and brought back to his native soil. They received, unsolicited, a letter advising them that Geronimo's head had taken up residence in New Haven, Conn., home to Yale University and its secret Skull & Bones Society. "He sent a photo," said Raleigh Thompson, a tribal council member. It showed a skull, remnants of a bridle and a photo of Geronimo. The only people who dig up bones are the witchcraft people," Thompson shuddered.

His group later obtained what purported to be an internal history of Skull & Bones that included this account: In 1918, Prescott Bush and two companions crept into the cemetery near Fort Sill and pried open the grave of Geronimo. The head was taken out, spiffed up and forwarded to New Haven where it was given pride of place for goofy rituals that have been attended by generations of Bushes and a veritable army of powerful types.
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Why was he give the run around huh? Why didn't they just tell him where the remains were if it was a hoax?



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