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Russia vs USA: World War 3

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 01:49 PM

originally posted by: TechUnique
a reply to: noeltrotsky

Russia repeatedly entering the air space of NATO countries is escalating quicker and quicker. They get warned about it, then a day later they do it somewhere else, then they come back the the UK and do it. To be honest I meant WW3 is escalating quickly, but that's just my opinion.

The last thing you need to worry about is Russia's 60+ year old bomber the Tupolev 95 or 'Bear'. Any country that can't hear it coming, let alone need/use radar, and destroy it before it gets anywhere near a major city deserves to be bombed.

Russia is massively out gunned by NATO and it's not even close. Putin knows the reality, which is he most likely couldn't even take Scandinavia and the Baltics in an all out war...let alone the bigger countries in NATO.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 01:52 PM

Thats what will happen.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 01:53 PM
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Being Jewish I still have to admit this is correct Charlie, Israel is at this time the nation most likely to use Nukes.

In fairness however... I doubt a week goes by in which I do not ponder the words of Albert Pike "The Zionists and Islam would be used to destroy each other" "Then we will unleash the Nihilists and the Atheists" and Atheists to me indicates a Chinese intervention after the fact... which is what seems to be playing out. If there is a side which is in the position that the USA was in WW2 both by strategy and positioning it would be China for WW3 silently funding all sides and sitting back starting to grow it's military...

That aside, I can't really blame the bulk of Islam or Israel (not talking about ISIS nut jobs or the worst of the Israeli hardliners) just the people in general... It's a setup, i'm sure of that, neither the bulk of Islam is down for a global religious crusade nor do the bulk of Jews have any involvement on global Cabals or dominate anything and that includes the actions of the USA unlike most conspiracy types believe... this is Globalism at work with intent to diminish Religion from the world scene because global government wont exist in the minds of people "above" religion... at least not in a religion they don't control.

I wont lie, sometimes I am not sure which side to even take truthfully as a guy who studied religion intensely, even among my own people who in theory have hand translated "the word" for thousands of years most never actually seem to even understand what they are reading and much has simply been discarded or misinterpreted by human hands like a bad game of telephone or worse via intent at the hands of men who seek power so perhaps if there is a God it is his will that a cleaning of house so to speak is in the works... Certainly I see things in all religions being practiced as religion that are at the least Cardinal sins, for starters "Thou shalt not take the lords name in vain" I think from my knowledge of Hebrew and Aramaic been substantially dumbed down, it includes by nature "not speaking for God" in other words using Gods name to enforce your interpretation of his words or Prophets which then of course extends into the removal of one of Gods gifts to mankind... Free Will. So often I think perhaps what is happening is simply "ordained" for lack of a better word. At least when I am hypothesizing from a POV of "belief"

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:02 PM
a reply to: noeltrotsky

I don't really even address this from a POV of "War"

Nato doesn't want "War" it's already achieved a cultural victory, it want's Russia as part of the EU and the West, this isn't about attempting t "defeat" Russia in any traditional sense, Russia is now in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation that involves things like economics and demographics, it's economy was made dependent on the EU through faux peace over the last 20 years and Russia is being shown that, it's population is decreasing and Siberia is turning Asian and it doesn't matter if it takes Ukraine or not, the desire to be Western exists in 45 Million Ukrainians, don't absorb those Ukrainians and Nato is miles from Moscow and controls the Black Sea, Do absorb them and you absorb a huge voting body wanting to be part of the EU and the West, One way you have to continue to burden your economy and resources with war preparations along European borders have tensions and your people impoverished the other way even if you win the "cold warriors" will be ousted forever over time and your part of Europe and the West.

Nato wont fight it has a cultural victory already.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:06 PM

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: TechUnique

While bad no one is stupid enough to push the button.
Didn't happen in the cuban missile crisis won't happen now.
But I think it will be a different country backing down this time.

Well it was a different time then. They had a president they could not control and thus had him eliminated. I ponder nuclear warfare sometimes and my feelings are that in the desirable locations they wont allow it to come to that. Places with resources and infrastructure. Now neutron bombs? You better believe those suckers will be used if it comes to it.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:23 PM
a reply to: criticalhit

Oh without a doubt if what is accredited to Pike is true, his plan definitely seems to be the most reliable for "End Times"...

& I hope you know, any of my opinions on here have nothing to do with someone's Jewishness...
I'd like to point out how disgusting I find it when people do that, before someone else enters and sees me use the word Zionist.

It's actually my belief that Zionism was hijacked for, as sad as it is, a second Holocaust...

I can't help but wonder why they pushed for the creation of Israel and forced it so to speak without thinking whoever laid the plans out intentionally wanted to cause problems in the Middle East...

All around the same time that the CIA was created via Operation Paperclip...

I don't think those Shutzstaffel plans changed in the slightest...

So for me their "Final Solution" just switched to a different continent with a different strategy...

I hope I'm wrong.

& again, when I said only one nation would use nukes, I'm referring to Israel with its current leadership...
I'm actually keeping a close eye on Isaac Herzog for the upcoming election, he seems like a really good person with great intentions.

As opposed to the current PM, who imo defies the logic of sanity.

I made a thread the other day about a Communistic infiltration into Islam in the form of ISIS...
As a theory only...
With the premise that their plan is to sow discord at the highest level and cause a backlash against the Muslim world in an effort to destroy religion.

I didn't even think to use Pike as a reference in terms of extremist Atheism.

& just so people know this is on topic...

WW3 lies at the feet of the Middle Eastern nations with Nuclear capabilities...
As with what boymonkey said, right now only a religious nutcase would push the button.

Russia & the U.S. will be the mediators and Syria, in particular Damascus are the significant places to think about in the grand scheme of things.

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:26 PM
a reply to: criticalhit
Interesting POV...cultural victory. Don't hear much about it but you are right, it's a possible winning strategy.

I think Russian admire some parts of the West but not so deep down think the West is deeply wrong culturally. I must admit that I do not know if Russia is just 'lagging behind' or will chart it's own cultural path. I still think they can be independent in that way but don't try hard enough to be.

Economically they are connected to the global village. I think they can substitute Western goods for Eastern goods enough to be very independent economically. That would create a large dependence on China but you have to trade with someone right!

Russia is suffering from population loss as people can't afford too many kids nowadays. The Eastern frontier is like you said, ethnically much more Asian. Not in the corridor of powers of course where Slavic's still dominate.

The EU is going to have trouble 'growing' if they fail to incorporate Ukraine. Turkey is already off the list and the Middle East is culturally very different as Turkey's now failing EU application shows. They don't want to fight people to grow and instead let people and countries migrate of their own free will. Ukraine is a big test for the EU, especially how it handles a military dimension to a country challenging it. So far I see failure of the EU in that aspect.

Good point on the cultural aspect however. I don't travel Eastern Europe as much as I use to so others may have better informed and up to date opinions.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:27 PM
a reply to: NihilistSanta

Nuclear wont be used period, not Neutron either it's too destructive even for what it is meant to do.

Culling is underway, has been for a long time and all this is distraction from it. You don't need to blow up anything when your food is a spermicide and has estrogen like effects via the packaging, those who are "productive and knowledgeable" have the money to buy better food and avoid the long term epigenetic effects most of the poor don't. Transexuals, People with Autism, Homosexuals, Asexual men.... simply don't reproduce much... and then of course the Cancer finishes off the increase in lifespan and consumption for the majority.

No neutron bombs my friend, there are mini Neutron bombs exploding in your nut sack every day already

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:28 PM
If we don’t get another John Kennedy instead of horrible presidents like George Bush and Obama, we will likely have a devastating World War.

It appears they are setting up this conflict for the next president which likely will be either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton and both of them are puppets of the sinister clique who are behind the scenes working to start a war.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:35 PM
a reply to: Willtell

Jeb needs a War to make him a man...doesn't he?

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:43 PM
a reply to: noeltrotsky

It's been the goal of the West to incorporate Russia since the fall of the wall, we tried at first by negotiation in the 90's which included membership in Nato but the Russians "role" was never agreeable.

Putin doesn't want this to escalate because as an "old cold warrior" goes he's basically not panicked by Westernization of Russia and he knows too deep of a turn East is a danger to the Ethnic Russian population even in attempts to dominate the Ukraine i'm sure he knows at this point it's all about how strong a player Russia will be in this new world and he wants a 190 Million person Russia not a 145 Million person Russia without control of the Black Sea to be the player in the game.

The real issue... Turkey and Germany in the range of 80 Million people each and France and England combined at around 130 Million and the power structure of Europe being at stake... 190 Million man Russia is the central power of Europe WHEN Russia is part of the EU both economically and demographically... but without Ukraine and access to the Mediterranean, you could see, Turkey and Germany both with populations approaching Russia in 20-30 years at around 120 Million as Russias population declines and the combined demographics of France and England well surpassing it...

Putin knows where this is heading, he just wants to be the no 1 economy and populace in Europe, in essence giving Russia domination of Europe, he certainly doesn't wish to "bleed" much of his male population... This is why he is anti GM foods, anti Homosexuality and other unpopular stances with the West right now, he's positioning Russia to be the dominant player in the future of the EU not to take over and destroy it and like wise the West is positioning so that Russia enters on a more equal footing later on... this wont lead to WW3. Not with Russia at least.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 03:10 PM
Well, I suppose our US leaders just want to start a nuclear war to get it over. Once all the nukes are deployed we won't have to worry about nukes anymore.

Correct Russia's behavior? It is the people trying to take the Ukraine resources that need to have their behavior corrected.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 03:45 PM
a reply to: criticalhit

your part of Europe and the West.

In the western scheme of things, Russia as it is will never be a part of the West. West wants to break Russia into pieces first.

Putin realized this long time ago and that's why RF reacted the way it did in Georgia 2008.

Now, Russia does not want to be a part of the West as its "unwanted guest" or a vassal. Russia is looking east to China and BRICs.

Regarding cultural victory that is agreeable as Communism was an impractical and unnatural lifestyle that does not promote any culture or religion.

Take notes on these two points:

1) Looking forward, Russia will not adopt Communism again in any form. Light socialism like today is the most it will go in that direction.

2) Russia will NOT back down on Ukraine.............even at the cost of fighting a WW3 and using nukes.

Sad but true. But Russia has very justified reasons to act the way it has acted in the recent past. Real problem on the issue is the Western foreign policies towards Russia. Solve those problems and save the humanity from a WW3.

Peace to all !!

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 03:58 PM

originally posted by: victor7

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: TechUnique

Obama will back down so fast, he'll trip over his own feet.
He's proven to be a bag of wind and that's all he'll ever be. He'll still be planning a strategy when Putin walks in the front door of the White House and kicks him out of his chair.

Very childish post indeed! Obama, in my reading is a "no war" president. He finished off two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and provided only air force help in Libya, did not escalate in Syria and is using only sanctions in Ukraine.

Why should US get involved in Ukraine? Even in ME against ISIS, US should only be involved in name only. Local air forces of Saudi (#5 in global rank), UAE, Jordan are more than sufficient to conduct bombings on the ISIS locations.

Hats off to Obama for playing it wisely in "war theater" geopolitics. Bottomline, is Obama being black is hard to be appreciated by people an that is a fact of life sadly.

Any ways, well done Mr. O on several issues !!

Might want to read more.
I do agree that we have no business being involved in Ukraine and the ME should look after itself. Race has nothing to do with his piss poor "leadership" abilities and the people that use that as an excuse usually don't bother to find out facts.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 04:15 PM
a reply to: TechUnique

World War Three simply cannot be won by any nation!

There is no scenario where nuclear war will be conducive to our world. Our leaders have known this since the 50s.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 10:13 PM
I've just been watching the Fareed Zakaria GPD news discussion on CNN involving Professor Steve Cohen , Bill Browder, Stephen Sestanovic

To quote a few sentences from Professor Cohen during the debate "Not only are we in a new cold war, but it is potentially a lot more dangerous than the last one"

"When you hear Russian Generals talking about the use of Tactical nuclear weapons"..........

"And the result is as we talk, and this is not idle rhetoric, We may be hurtling toward an actual War with Russia".

Bill Bowder, "Putin will kill people".

Steven Stanovich " It can get plenty worse than it is now".

Sorry but I couldn't catch all the text of the entire conversation as the show was playing live and I couldn't rewind it.

It certainly is looking very very grim for Europe but a lot of emphasis was placed on the USA. Europe and NATO demonizing Russia which certainly doesn't seem to be helping the situation.

We could very well be creating a new dark history for this planet and one created by the "Elites of this World" which is how Cohen describes them.

For the little use it may have if War does break out, I'm already planning on moving to a more remote part of the globe and my house is up for sale as we speak.

It is a planned move than has been in the making for the last 5 years but to be honest the timing could not be better but if a full scale Nuclear War does break out there probably won't be many places or environments worth living in.

It also reminds me of the legend of old Mother Shipton prophecies and the supposed 2nd half found in a jar.

The second half of the prophecies starts around 2.34 but remember there is little or no proof that these are actually real prophecies at all but it is rather chillingly uncanny.

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 10:24 PM
a reply to: TechUnique

Visualizing The Frightening Power of Nuclear Bombs

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 10:40 PM
The hope is that BOTH the AMERICA and RUSSIA governments can find logical ways to support the populations depending on them. With areas with issues from the Middle East to areas in the Ukraine being unstable, it doesn't seem intelligent for these two EA*RTH human representing land mass regions to add more issues to the species of mankind...

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 10:45 PM
TSAR bomba wasnt detonated at full power. it was actually half power. the scale is off because th esize wasnt full power.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 11:46 PM
a reply to: victor7

Victor... you start that by saying "Russia as it is"

(and I agree on a lot)

But in the end and from Having a lot of Russian Family... Being Russian is being Russian and mainly that is what matters to the Russian people, frankly neither Russia nor Ukraine is very different today than most of Europe ... call it socialized capitalism and if daily life were to be taken into account and the people of Russia i'd say the only actual concern they have is sort of Ethnic and there is only so far "East" Russia can be taken and almost no where South

Russians like Money, Russians like Music, Russians have Style and while politically all you say is true... The Russians are more American most of them in many ways than most Americans are today

So Russia as it is politically, with Putin in charge yeah, your right...

But realistically, you look at Russians and Ukrainians most of them are straight up WTF? WTF? they don't view each other as enemies in the "peoples" corner outside of these political issues, people in the streets don't even seem to comprehend what the hell is going on in the Ukraine many of them...

It's not as insane as maybe the US and Canada going to guerilla warfare over political issues... but most people aren't going to want their kids dying, not this way, not between Russia and Ukraine, sure there is History but these are close people despite that and, well....

Putin despite current approval... well that can change fast, real fast

And we aren't trying to setup an all out war, we are trying to create a pain in the arse for Russia, the kind of Hemorrhoid that lingers for a long time a long enough time for there to e a different Russia if need be...

Politics and people are distinct from one another... I don't think this can endure, from a peoples perspective it's just too moronic of a fight between people who reallllly aren't quite enemies. If it get's "really bad" the populace of both will be screaming for rectification of the situation peacefully and Putins power base wont survive that, he's already pissed off all the money in his own country anyway.

And the people... are for all intents and purposes Western these days, by music, consumption, racial identity...

I guess what I'm saying is "The different Russia" is already there, it's body politic might not be but if your under 40 being Russian has a lot to do with Techno versions of Kalinka, posting videos of you climbing crazy stuff on Youtube, showing off your Hot Girlfriend in her "gangsta" boots etc etc et al....

New Russia is there, we are playing on the fact, Putin probably can't deeply escalate this and remain in power long, Americans all cheered for the first Gulf Invasion too and now not all that much later it's all conspiracy theory and anger and it's not nameless foreigners that will be getting bombed here or people with a radically different ideology you can't truly demonize it's Ukrainians... If bombing Muslims in a day of Internet inevitably started pissing off go get em Yankees when the blood shots hit the internet,well... these are people you vacationed with lol, people you dated and screwed and were related to in many cases. It's just not long term viable.

And as you said there is no "Communism" identity here any more, Russians don't want to destroy Europe or cuddle up to smoggy China lol... they want to vacation in Europe and buy Prada handbags and good Vodka and pimp it...

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