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Originally posted by quango
And what are we truly? (I know, I know... connected.. )
Originally posted by quango
So is this state of mind attainable pre-death?
Originally posted by quango
Is it possible for me to reject this truth and fool myself into thinking that there is no connection and that I am an individual?
Originally posted by Valhall
The fact that I will answer this question differently than others proves our individual abilities to employ free moral agency.
Originally posted by Valhall
I think you answer your own question here. The personal distinction comes in the form of what is needed. We do not all have the same needs. We do not all search for, or acquire, the same knowledge.
Originally posted by Valhall
Again, I believe this is pivotal to proving out our individualism. I believe us to be embodiments of all perceived good and evil that exists in the universe as well. But once we employ the "perceived" portion of that statement, we are then bound to admit that each person is a different ratio of those "perceived" goods and evils.
Originally posted by saint4God
It's a daily struggle to establish common ground with the majority of society.
Originally posted by saint4God
Cosmic conciousness sounds like a weak excuse not to be responsible for what we do.
Originally posted by saint4God
Ask a chief justice what he thinks.
Originally posted by Simulacra
Not necessarily what is needed. Because personal needs are obsolete. But your 'personal distinction' comes from what is desired upon you. What your community expects. What your environment expects. What certain laws placed within society expects. I would venture to say that nearly 80% of Americans 'decisions' are actually based off of a 'Judeo-Christian' based society/environment/lifestyle.
As I stated above. Our actions may seem to one as a sign of individualism. The ability to choose between perceived good and evil is just rooted from our society. Laws that are in place denote this good and evil. Not to mention that word...I forgot what it is...ah yes Religion. Quite frankly, without religion, perception of Good and Evil would be eliminated from our world.
Originally posted by jazzgul
Why can we be connected to the same source and yet be so different???
Originally posted by jazzgul
I've been thinking about earth as one giant organism (an idea of Gaia -the intelligent being):
If you look at our planet from that perspective, you are able to se billions of different organisms living together in harmony ( except humans -that is a different story). They all behave different, their life patterns are various, yet they share the same chemicals, they "perform" their duties given them by mother nature.
Originally posted by jazzgul
Humans suppose to share this behavior, but not - we all want to be specially different. We are so busy with being different, that we forget where are we coming from. Many of us are unable to enjoy and live together with nature. We create borders, invent things to protect ourselves from influences which are not welcomed by our standards. Even if we are connected we don�t want to be.
- Share the same conscious? It sounds insane, because our thoughts are bounded by fear of slavery - this idea imprinted deep in our minds make us do things to prove we are free - our freedom gives us possibility to do things against us -the circle is closing
Originally posted by Valhall
If our decisions were based simply on the religious/cultural moral codes we live in, and America, in your opinion is based on Judeo-Christian code (which I agree with), then there would be no murderers, no rapists, no thieves and no liars. We wouldn't be doing greed-driven machinations to get our neighbors goods and we wouldn't be boinking our neighbor's spouse. We'd all be in church on the Lord's day....and we could say prayers in school.
Originally posted by Simulacra
Ok. The assumption among many is that the 'Judeo-Christain code' will manifest into a utopian society. This is what >enter Christ based religion here< preaches. However if one were to closely examine the bible and directly apply it's laws to society you will see something completely different. Judeo-Christain ethics actually propagate the society we are in now. Did you know that the concept of an 'Eye for an Eye' is actually based out of the bible?
Originally posted by elaine
Being aware of the cosmic consciousness does not mean that
we are all alike.
Originally posted by elaine
Each one of us "translates" it differently.
Originally posted by elaine
We each get something different from it or we don't have to
get anything at all.
Originally posted by elaine
We don't even have to believe there is a
cosmic consciousness if we don't want to. That's our freewill
at work.
Originally posted by elaine
So ultimately, we are all responsible for our own actions.
Originally posted by elaine
What really connects us is that we are all humans having a "human
experience" here on earth in this reality. Each "experience" is unique.
Originally posted by elaine
...instead of negative, destructive, materialistic and greedy
Originally posted by elaine
easy to be positive all the time, but we should try.
Originally posted by elaine
If the cosmic consciousness is changing then it's probably because
evil is starting to outweigh good. We need to at least balance it or
help the positive outweigh the negative.
Originally posted by elaine
Hope this post doesn�t sound too garbled or "hippyfied" for some.
I am not a hippy. I just play one on t.v. (LOL, just kidding).
Originally posted by instar
Similacra, can you explain in a different way how we might "not" be responsible for our own actions?
Originally posted by Valhall
Watch out, incoming! You understand that you're about to have to convince a boat-load of people of this
Originally posted by Valhall
BUT, that aside, you are misapplying the scriptures.
Originally posted by Valhall
And no, they don't really propagate violence. In fact, if you want to get down to it, if they were strictly followed, everybody deemed "wrong" according to these laws, would be hard pressed to commit the "wrong" a second time.
Originally posted by Valhall
The death penalty is, in fact, a deterrent to the one being killed.
Originally posted by Valhall
The examples from Matthew and Genesis (Abraham) are not laws, nor examples of what any one is commanded to do by God and should not be spoken of as "Judeo/Christian" laws.
Originally posted by Valhall
my point is that you can take ANY set of beliefs and not find that set of "believers'" utopia...
Originally posted by Horus_Re
This is one heck of a thread if there ever was one
Originally posted by Simulacra
Originally posted by Horus_Re
This is one heck of a thread if there ever was one
And that was one heck of a post. I've never read anything like it. There is nothing for me to answer but I do agree with the whole of your statement. I really wish I had a longer response but I just...don't You got a 'Way Above' nomination.