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French President: Failure for Ukraine peace will result in war

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

In actuality I think you will find this is probably the worst thing Putin has wanted to happen involving his country for a very long time and that Putin would rather have his country went back to not being sanctioned and not having a civil war on his border.

BUT THOSE DUMB #S IN WASHINGTON JUST DONT SEEM TO #ING UNDERSTAND PEOPLE DO NOT WANT WAR.

Morons the lot of them, but hey buddy you keep towin the propaganda all you like, convince yourself there is reason for this conflict and convince yourself how just it will be, but ill take no part in this madness cheers.




posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: myselfaswell

Maybe this gives you some insight...



US political culture and propaganda has deeply ingrained in the minds of those exposed to the corporate media the notion that weapons or technologies win wars. This is not so. Or, not really so.

Yes, when the difference in technologies is very big AND very wide, meaning a full generational change across most key weapon systems, this can help. But not one weapon system alone, and not when the difference in quality is marginal.

Furthermore, a simpler, more "primitive" weapon which totally outclassed on the testing range can suddenly become much better suited to real combat then some techno-marvel. This is, by the way, one of the biggest problems with US weapons. Here is how they are designed:

You take all the latest and most advanced technologies, put them together, then create a new "superior" design, then design a new mission profile to fit that design, then sell (figuratively and literally) the new concept to Congress, especially to those Congressmen who come from the districts where production is planned - and, voilà, you have your brand new top of the line US weapon. And the costs? Who cares?! Just print some more money, and that's it.

Russian weapons are designed in a totally different way:

Take a mission profile, determine a need, then take all the cheapest, simplest and most reliable technologies available and combine them into your weapon system, then have that prototype tested in military units, then modify the weapons system according to the military's reaction and then produce it.

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

See mate the problem is the media has gotten used to covering America's conquests in third world countries and how so totaly super awesome the U.S is when it comes to carpet bombing third world countries. I think people honestly believe thats how a war with a "first world" industrialised nation would be like, unable to comprehend in the slightest that any such war, with really any modern industrialised nation would more than likely result in the total destruction of our planet.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
Putin already has the war he wants: regional power versus weak, impoverished neighbor. It's perfect for him. What he doesn't want is a real war, that's why he's afraid to even mention it. On the other hand, his propaganda organs keep reminding everyone that Russia is a nuclear power.


Very true. So far Putin has been getting what he wants. That is about to change because the US has disengaged from Iraq and Afghanistan enough to start loading up Ukraine.

I'm pretty sure Putin will back down when the US starts flooding Ukraine with weapons and trainers to use them. Of course then the question is will Ukraine and the USA back down at that point.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: Dabrazzo


Putin would rather have his country went back to not being sanctioned and not having a civil war on his border.


Really? He could get the sanctions lifted overnight without a shot being fired if that's what he wanted. You know that's true.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: Dabrazzo

Then why doesn't Putin prevent it? All he has to do is withdrawn from Ukraine and return Crimea. If he refuses to return to the status quo, the war is on him.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

What is your idol Putin willing to do to preserve the peace, do you suppose?


Because its up to America if it all goes bad, I suggest they start sending people with brains who can show respect towards others to Russia ASAP !

Give this man a mandate !

Or this man !

Those numnuts who are now in Washington are clearly not up to the task to come to acceptable agreements for both sides.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Russians love to believe the US can't win dirty, ugly wars.

Russians should consider the battles in Fallujah. The US can go door to door with the best of them.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Dabrazzo

Then why doesn't Putin prevent it? All he has to do is withdrawn from Ukraine and return Crimea. If he refuses to return to the status quo, the war is on him.


Because the Kremlin isn`t going to hand over the Ukraine to the US.

US can grab what ever it wants over the World without any consequence...maybe in your dream world, but it doesn`t work that way in the real World.
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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:23 AM
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Because its up to America if it all goes bad


No, it's not. Russia is illegally occupying part of another sovereign nation, in violation of Westphalian principles. This is a classic causus bella. The community of nations has no choice but to declare war if he does not return it peacefully.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: noeltrotsky

Russia will start using tactical nukes when needed...Sigh !

Just keep wishing for your dreamed nuclear war, you might get lucky !



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


Because the Kremlin isn`t going to hand over the Ukraine to the US


It's not the Kremlin's to hand over! Why can't you get that? Ukraine is fighting Russia for its independence... again!



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Dabrazzo


USA! USA!! USA!!!


Ross-i-ya! Ross-i-ya! Ross-i-ya!!!!


Who is Ross?

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: noeltrotsky

Russia will start using tactical nukes when needed...Sigh !

Just keep wishing for your dreamed nuclear war, you might get lucky !


You're the one cheering on the war mongers! Putin refuses to seek peace, and hints that he's willing to go nuclear. Why are you defending that psychopath?



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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Because its up to America if it all goes bad, I suggest they start sending people with brains who can show respect towards others to Russia ASAP !



You can relax, it's in safe hands...Kerry and Nuland.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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There seems to be only one way out of a war . The EU will have to break up and decide not to be used as pawns of Washington's grand plan . This latest by Mike Whitney is a must read . " The Fallujah Option for East Ukraine " www.informationclearinghouse.info...

" February 06, 2015 "ICH" - "Counterpunch"- Washington needs a war in Ukraine to achieve its strategic objectives. This point cannot be overstated.

The US wants to push NATO to Russia’s western border. It wants a land-bridge to Asia to spread US military bases across the continent. It wants to control the pipeline corridors from Russia to Europe to monitor Moscow’s revenues and to ensure that gas continues to be denominated in dollars. And it wants a weaker, unstable Russia that is more prone to regime change, fragmentation and, ultimately, foreign control. These objectives cannot be achieved peacefully, indeed, if the fighting stopped tomorrow, the sanctions would be lifted shortly after, and the Russian economy would begin to recover. How would that benefit Washington? "

" “The ultimate aim of the US and its allies is to reduce Russia to an impoverished and semi-colonial status. Such a strategy, historically associated with Carter administration National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, is again being openly promoted.

In a speech last year at the Wilson Center, Brzezinski called on Washington to provide Kiev with “weapons designed particularly to permit the Ukrainians to engage in effective urban warfare of resistance.” In line with the policies now recommended in the report by the Brookings Institution and other think tanks calling for US arms to the Kiev regime, Brzezinski called for providing “anti-tank weapons…weapons capable for use in urban short-range fighting.”

While the strategy outlined by Brzezinski is politically criminal—trapping Russia in an ethnic urban war in Ukraine that would threaten the deaths of millions, if not billions of people—it is fully aligned with the policies he has promoted against Russia for decades.” (“The US arming of Ukraine and the danger of World War III“, World Socialist Web Site) "

"The attack on the ruble was also politically motivated, although the details are much more sketchy. There’s an interesting interview with Alistair Crooke that’s worth a read for those who are curious about how the Pentagon’s “full spectrum dominance” applies to financial warfare. According to Crooke:

“…with Ukraine, we have entered a new era: We have a substantial, geostrategic conflict taking place, but it’s effectively a geo-financial war between the US and Russia. We have the collapse in the oil prices; we have the currency wars; we have the contrived “shorting” — selling short — of the ruble. We have a geo-financial war, and what we are seeing as a consequence of this geo-financial war is that first of all, it has brought about a close alliance between Russia and China.

China understands that Russia constitutes the first domino; if Russia is to fall, China will be next. These two states are together moving to create a parallel financial system, disentangled from the Western financial system. …… "



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Dabrazzo


USA! USA!! USA!!!


Ross-i-ya! Ross-i-ya! Ross-i-ya!!!!


Who is Ross?





posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

That's about the dumbest opinion I've seen linked to....Congrats!



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:35 AM
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According to the Telegraph, Europe is all for settling for peace but the US hasn't ruled out sending weapons to Kiev.

Give it up US, let the Crimeans have their voted for Russian integration and let Eastern Ukrainians have a vote for their future, it has taken them a long time and it is needed for them.

Stop sanctioning Russia, double standards is not the way forward for progressive politics and it has harmed many in other nations also.

Back off from the weapons Obama, the Ukraine would be totally trashed otherwise and the world does not need an impending WWIII.

There are more talks today via phone conference, let there be good news.

telegraph


According to senior sources, the German Chancellor and French President "scrambled onto their plane" because of growing fears about the stability of the administration in Kiev and that the conflict was "on the edge of something palpably worse".

"The sense is that the situation is radically deteriorating, both militarily and economically," said a senior European diplomat.
Valery Chaly, Mr Poroshenko’s chief of staff, said late on Friday that the new plan envisaged a mechanism for fulfilling the Minsk protocol, which called for a ceasefire, withdrawal of artillery and a political agreement.

But there have been fears of a split in Western strategy with Germany and France keen on a diplomatic solution and the US refusing to rule out the possibility of sending weapons to Kiev.

As Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, arrived in Moscow, her ministers said that allowing US arms to be used against separatist rebels would "pour oil onto the flames".

The warning from Ursula von der Leyen, the German defence minister, followed a statement from Washington that it might give Ukrainian government forces sophisticated defensive weapons to halt the rebels' recent rapid advance.

Elements within the Pentagon now believe that the only way to force the rebels to the negotiating table is to even the military balance.

But Mrs von der Leyen claimed that would simply give Mr Putin an excuse to arm the rebels more more heavily, or even send in the Russian army openly. "In Ukraine there are already far too many weapons," she said. "The resupply (of weapons) to the separatists is potentially unlimited.

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

None of which is actually true. The United States has generally resisted NATO expansion; it is former Soviet satellites like Poland that are the most aggressive in terms of expansion. Furthermore, the United States already has many clear routes to and through Asia, dotted with US bases, as Russian and Iranian propaganda constantly point out. Also, the United States has no need of Russian gas, which is why the EU is more concerned about internal Russian affairs than the United States.
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