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White House Petition to “Classify Refusal To Vaccinate Children As A Mental Disorder”

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:33 PM
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One must have a mental disorder if they want to send troops to guard poppy fields and expect us to believe that it is for our own security. ..the list of things that should be considered a mental disorder could run long and far if we looked into anything that the US is trying to do around the globe.




posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The people filing this petition are delusional, believing that medical science has evolved way more than it has. These vaccines sometimes have side effects and other times do not protect against mutated diseases. These diseases are not mutating so much in people who are not vaccinated, they are mutating because we spread antibiotics all over the fields and promote antibiotics in growing our meat and milk products. The chemistry we are using is causing all sorts of microbes to mutate faster.

But for some reason people are afraid and won't research things that do not reinforce their beliefs.


Antibiotics have nothing to do with viral mutations. Bacterial mutation resulting in resistant strains is caused by antibiotics. The mutation of a virus in unvaccinated individuals is slowed? What? Where did you see this?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi




Actually there is a bit of history with anti-vaccers and smallpox from Christian origins. It took mandatory vaccination laws to help eradicate smallpox.


Heres another history lesson.

The same people forcing vaccinations on people is the same people that gave the indians small pox infested blankets.

No need to bring religion in to the conversation as we have all seen the states morality in action.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by: JHumm
One must have a mental disorder if they want to send troops to guard poppy fields and expect us to believe that it is for our own security. ..the list of things that should be considered a mental disorder could run long and far if we looked into anything that the US is trying to do around the globe.


Hint of sarcasm in case everyone missed it:
Aww cmon thats not crazy, thats billions of dollars of drug money in the bank for wall street, Big Pharma, and the CIA which is the American way after all. However not vaccinating yourselves with goverment happy serum is stark raving madness, everyone needs to do what the Big Pharma says or they are nuts because they love us and have our best interests at heart right?


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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:51 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

1. If these vaccinations work so well,then if you get your kid vaccinated you would not have to really worry about your kid being around a child that wasn't vaccinated.Even IF they got it,it would be a mild case of whatever.

2.People are always willing to take another's rights away from them,all the way up until it backfires on themselves.Then and only then can they see they screwed themselves. Americans seem to have lost the ability to see ahead and weigh out pros and cons.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: xuenchen

I think this headlines proves that psychology is a pseudoscience based on subjective whims.


Since when is science based on opinion and not data?


Since when is this science?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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The same people forcing vaccinations on people is the same people that gave the indians small pox infested blankets.


Actually Neo that would have been impossible. The vaccine hadn't even been developed when those Christian soldiers handed out those blankets.

Now there is a history lesson.




No need to bring religion in to the conversation as we have all seen the states morality in action.


I wasn't the one who brought up Christianity was just answering a statement about them.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Self edited . Not taking the bait.
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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 12:20 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Grimpachi


Actually there is a bit of history with anti-vaccers and smallpox from Christian origins. It took mandatory vaccination laws to help eradicate smallpox.

Heres another history lesson.
The same people forcing vaccinations on people is the same people that gave the indians small pox infested blankets.
No need to bring religion in to the conversation as we have all seen the states morality in action.


But they have our best interests at heart right?

Lolz rofl. . .LMAO
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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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Actually Neo that would have been impossible. The vaccine hadn't even been developed when those Christian soldiers handed out those blanketsActually Neo that would have been impossible. The vaccine hadn't even been developed when those Christian soldiers handed out those blankets


You do know that was a lie right ?

That separation of church and state has existed since pretty much day 1.

I do so love the epic double standard there. Someone needs to come off their 'high horse'.

When the atrocities committed in the name of the US government has been greater than centuries of Christianity.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 12:53 AM
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Thanks to those that replied to my post.

First, I'm 64. I had all the vaccinations back in the day. My daughter is strongly opposed to vaccinations for her two children.

I am a "undecided". One foot in each camp.

However, when the psychs start labeling a disagreement with vaccinations a "mental disorder", I start moving into the "against" crowd. The psychs are well entrenched with the pharmaceuticals that produce the vaccines. A vicious circle when one investigates psychotropic side-effects.

I ruminated on this subject until I talked to my daughter about this. Her issue is the fairly recent additives/preservatives that produce some nasty side-effects. These include life debilitating illnesses. There seems to be plenty of examples out there if one googles the subject.

These same psychs recently proposed "non-conformity" as a mental disorder.

As the earlier and successful vaccinations didn't require enforcement and eradicated the appropriate disease, then enforcement now seem an over-kill.

In Washington St. it's already policy/law that students receive vaccinations to go to school. Apparently the only exceptions are religious concerns. ( My daughter home-schools so both exposure and that issue is resolved, not to mention a much better educated pair of grandchildren.)

As this country has many divergent views, freedom of choice and where to draw the line is always debated.

Calling it a mental disorder crosses my line. Take the Mercury, the formaldehyde and the lead out of the vaccines and this issue will resolve itself.

There may or may not be an over-reaction to this on both sides. However, having a 'watchdog-like' segment of the citizens is about our only defense from some extremely powerful and arrogant organizations out there. Be grateful for that. One never knows if the disease is worse within our own 'systems' than the viruses, themselves....



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 01:11 AM
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Being gullible isn't a mental disorder. It's just a quality of character and earnest naivete. Because these people are flooding each others consciousness with repetitive b.s. reinforcing this "anti-vax" message, they're slowly brainwashing themselves out of fear.

Fact is - a sizable amount of the population is affected by constant force feeding of misinformation from media and well meaning word of mouth warnings on a variety of issues. That's not a mental disorder....that just misinformed fear feeding upon itself because people seem to thrive off that kind of thing for some damn reason.

If you want to get clinical this whole "Anti-Vax" fad is a prime example of Collective Hysteria.

The last thing this world needs is more people flooding the overburdened mental health care system with trivial b.s. just because everyone on the internet is suddenly a webMD specialist because they used Google or Wikipedia in casual passing.

I'm going to go bang my head against the wall.
This planet is unbelievable sometimes.
Seriously. There is no cure for stupid.

edit on 2/7/15 by GENERAL EYES because: formatting



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
Vaccination should me made compulsory without further ado. This is not about democratic rights. This is about human survival.

Mad right-wing conspiracy theorists have no right to hold our children's lives to ransom.


I am worried about left wing fanatics like you, I think/hope that such folks as yourself can be rehabilitated.

Is it possible for you to inspect the data and make an amateur determination of any respectable consequence or have you only the capacity for perfunctory dismissal?
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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:02 AM
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You do know that was a lie right ?

That separation of church and state has existed since pretty much day 1.

I do so love the epic double standard there. Someone needs to come off their 'high horse'.

When the atrocities committed in the name of the US government has been greater than centuries of Christianity


Oh my, must be time for another history lesson.

You must be referring to Ward Churchill's allegations which historians have said were fabrications.


It may be that infested blankets had never been handed out by soldiers, but many think it did happen during the French Indian wars by Colonel Henry Bouquet there was no United States at that time. The revolutionary war didn't occur till some years later.

The government of the time this may have taken place did not have a separation of church and state.


Someone will come off their high horse as you put it if that other someone learns to research.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:12 AM
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The MSM is controlled by big pharma, government, and other advertisers. This fact can easily be proven if you follow who owns them (money) and who they pay to lobby for their laws.



When it comes to the measles vaccine, two shots are better than one. Most people in the United States are initially vaccinated against the virus shortly after their first birthday and return for a booster shot as a toddler. Less than 1% of people who get both shots will contract the potentially lethal skin and respiratory infection. And even if a fully vaccinated person does become infected—a rare situation known as “vaccine failure”—they weren’t thought to be contagious. That’s why a fully vaccinated 22-year-old theater employee in New York City who developed the measles in 2011 was released without hospitalization or quarantine. But like Typhoid Mary, this patient turned out to be unwittingly contagious. Ultimately, she transmitted the measles to four other people, according to a recent report in Clinical Infectious Diseases that tracked symptoms in the 88 people with whom “Measles Mary” interacted while she was sick. Surprisingly, two of the secondary patients had been fully vaccinated. And although the other two had no record of receiving the vaccine, they both showed signs of previous measles exposure that should have conferred immunity.


Science Magazine on Measels



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 02:15 AM
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originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Being gullible isn't a mental disorder. It's just a quality of character and earnest naivete. Because these people are flooding each others consciousness with repetitive b.s. reinforcing this "anti-vax" message, they're slowly brainwashing themselves out of fear.

Fact is - a sizable amount of the population is affected by constant force feeding of misinformation from media and well meaning word of mouth warnings on a variety of issues. That's not a mental disorder....that just misinformed fear feeding upon itself because people seem to thrive off that kind of thing for some damn reason.

If you want to get clinical this whole "Anti-Vax" fad is a prime example of Collective Hysteria.

The last thing this world needs is more people flooding the overburdened mental health care system with trivial b.s. just because everyone on the internet is suddenly a webMD specialist because they used Google or Wikipedia in casual passing.

I'm going to go bang my head against the wall.
This planet is unbelievable sometimes.
Seriously. There is no cure for stupid.


It used to be a sign of an active and critical intellect to be a bit skeptical and to question intent when considering information. Now people are "educated" but lack the ability to question the information they receive.

Bertrand Russell had some interesting things to say on the matter.


Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.
Russell, Bertrand. The Impact of Science on Society. 1951.


Sound familiar?



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 03:04 AM
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a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Since anyone can file a white house petition? Seriously, this isn't news. Every thursday i start a white house petition to outlaw anchovy-flavored skittles. Gotta nip it in the bud you know.
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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 03:07 AM
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a reply to: iDope

Interesting story about how one case of vaccine failure must absolutely mean the concept of vaccines is itself bogus.

I mean after all, who here didn't go through the childhood rite of passage known as polio?

No?

How about smallpox, then? everyone here has at least some pox scars, right?

No?

Huh. maybe those diseases were all made up by big pharma!




posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: xuenchen

1. If these vaccinations work so well,then if you get your kid vaccinated you would not have to really worry about your kid being around a child that wasn't vaccinated.Even IF they got it,it would be a mild case of whatever.


except, of course, for the reality of the disease passing to all the other McCarthy's Kids whose enlightened dippy crystal-sniffing parents decided that their divine indigo Child was too "pure" to worry about disease. And of course, people too young to be vaccinated. Or with compromised immune systems (do you know anyone with a kidney transplant? Cancer patients? people receiving HIV therapy?) Or for those people whose immune system simply didn't care about the vaccine.


2.People are always willing to take another's rights away from them,all the way up until it backfires on themselves.Then and only then can they see they screwed themselves. Americans seem to have lost the ability to see ahead and weigh out pros and cons.


I am sure that you will be the first to bring your offspring to share cups at your neighborhood's first case of polio.



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 03:41 AM
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Or with compromised immune systems (do you know anyone with a kidney transplant? Cancer patients? people receiving HIV therapy?)


Seriously,why would you take your kid out in public if you knew it had a bad immune system! You do know that on the news yesterday they said they found bubonic plague in the New York City subway system, yes? There are germs and virus' all around us and if I had a kid with a compromised immune system I sure wouldn't be taking them out and exposing them to any and everything.




I am sure that you will be the first to bring your offspring to share cups at your neighborhood's first case of polio.


My 'kids' are adults.They had their shots and I took very good care of them. My youngest had a compromised immune system with severe asthma,I got his shots and and kept him away from most people until he could grow out of it,the doctors felt like he would when he hit his teens. Thank goodness they were right.



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