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The Truth is Unspeakable; American Sniper unloads on 'American Sniper'

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Strawberry88

YES I do,DAS boot was great and aside from the NAZIS the Wehrmacht brilliant men who fought for what they were told was true even if lied to by the high command about the nastier parts as weare being lied to about our own RIGHT now.
It's a pity you haven't obtained such depth.


Excuse me, you're going to accuse me of lacking depth?

Ooh, that really means something coming from someone who openly supports brutal murder.


Nahh buddy, I can look deep enough to understand that in the bigger picture, we are all fools, but the ones who think they have it figured out, are deserving of a bolder title than that.

If you honestly think that you are any better or more deserving than a man who has lost his family and has picked up arms for the same reason most americans would, it is me who pities YOU, trust me.





originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Strawberry88
Just one last question please;







If it were the other way around, would you also respect your "enemies" making a similar film, celebrating their hero who has killed so many "bad guys"???





From their perspective, there is ZERO difference.

You must be off your rocker.

They make very many films and they are real.

Go search for isis snuff films and get back to us.

I will choose to let people live in harmony. It is another that set out to subvert plans made. Until that other is removed harmony will not happen and the beast must be fed. It will take support and faith to get the job done. Do not be decieved.




So I guess I can take it you support these videos as well then?


Nice, very nice. I'm done here, the only two people in here are people who think they have the world figured out and violence belongs in it.

Good luck with that, might I suggest you return to your jungles where you came from? The rest of civilized mankind would like to get along without violence, thxkbye.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
The story is bogus in some ways and maybe all.

Snipers do not fire in 3 rnd burst.
could have been a secondary weapon or before he was qualified to snipe.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88

I 'm not better IM A SOLDIER and that is it's own worth and purpose. YOU are no better with emotionalism that borders on that of an ostridge. IS war still happenong ? YES: well we are the best ,count YOUR blessings and stop electing idiots who are getting us killed and elect LEADERS who are NOT political greedy LIARS.
YOU evidently forgot about history and human nature in your greater VISION.
There are Eastern MIGHT MAKES RIGHT cultures that want you dead or subdued.
ONLY MINE can stop that right now.
With the internet people are learning we aren't monsters or maniacs just professionals in an UGLY business and the best.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88

no i do not support or have ever watched real death films.

you have to jump to conclusions to make a point and that shows you do not really have a valid point.

i am not from a jungle but would love to go there.

like i said before we are all ears so just lets all come together and form a better plan.

the situation is they want control of the world and want your head to lay beside you.

What do we do next besides point fingers?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: sg1642

Some spotters use an AR10 varient,I think they MIGHT have aoutmatic fire capability.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: deadeyedick

Oh, I agree. My views on warfare is considered "too extreme" by most.

Remove the media, unleash and unshackle the Military and go scorched Earth.

No rebuilding crap with multi-billion dollar contracts. No hearts and minds.

Shock and awe. Kill and level everything. Then go home and enjoy a snickers.


But, there is too much money to be made doing it how we currently are.

Sad, as my way of fighting would save money, lives and time. But is considered as savage by most.

Oh well.



Do you realize there are groups out there that feel as extreme about this as you do, only they want to do it to you, and feel just as righteous in their wanting to do so?



That thought really doesn't scare you one bit, does it? MAD really is the only option for some people, it seems.


I would recommend doing some reading on individual and social psychology, I really think some people could use that to understand that mankind is headed for continual destruction until a part of it "evolves" beyond longing for this ancient craving.


Our histories are littered with violence, it's only when we face that and come to terms with it that we'll ever get "over it".





You do realize that a beaten child is very likely to beat their own children one day, right? Maybe, we should just learn to see that we reap what we sow? Nahh, no money to be made in that.

Funny how you understand the money issue, but can't go far enough to see what kind of influence it ACTUALLY has.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88

Isolationism then?
PLEASE express your answer to stopping others from exacting THEIR revenge on us as you describe?
LET them kill and capture as they may?
Surrender to Communist or Shaharia laws/
THE ANSWER is NO we will not.
THey need not be like me so I SURE as hell can be me. I'll fight and kill anyone who tries coltrol me otherwise.
WE all see children that haven't known discipline like a spanking. THERE IS a balance in the middle.
Left is a failure,far right is evil.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

No. Go back and reread my post asking if you'd applaud the "enemy" making films supporting their biggest killers.



Whatever floats your boat buddy



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Strawberry88

Isolationism then?
PLEASE express your answer to stopping others from exacting THEIR revenge on us as you describe?
LET them kill and capture as they may?
Surrender to Communist or Shaharia laws/
THE ANSWER is NO we will not.
THey need not be like me so I SURE as hell can be me. I'll fight and kill anyone who tries coltrol me otherwise.
WE all see children that haven't known discipline like a spanking. THERE IS a balance in the middle.
Left is a failure,far right is evil.



They're not trying to control us, it's the other way around





You approve spanking children? You're pathetic, not that I hadn't figured that out yet by the way you type.
Child abuse can cause mental illnesses of EVERY variety, which in turn creates a self-feeding loop of violence. I was abused as a child and will never have children because I KNOW one of my parents had the same mental condition as I do because of their OWN suffered abuse.


If you want to be a bloody ignorant fool who thinks violence will end violence, may I just suggest you sign yourself up to join the army and go fight the "good fight" please?

The more people like you who join, the better the rest of society will be off when you don't return from your glorious fight.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Strawberry88

I 'm not better IM A SOLDIER and that is it's own worth and purpose. YOU are no better with emotionalism that borders on that of an ostridge. IS war still happenong ? YES: well we are the best ,count YOUR blessings and stop electing idiots who are getting us killed and elect LEADERS who are NOT political greedy LIARS.
YOU evidently forgot about history and human nature in your greater VISION.
There are Eastern MIGHT MAKES RIGHT cultures that want you dead or subdued.
ONLY MINE can stop that right now.
With the internet people are learning we aren't monsters or maniacs just professionals in an UGLY business and the best.



you are a soldier, I get that, but may I suggest you put down the guns sometime and pick up a book instead?

Both your writing skills and your thinking abilities will thank you for it, as will most of ATS I'm sure.




But to address your post a bit more;

I think it's YOU who has forgotten about history


You honestly believe that killing more people in the middle east will not create more family members who hold a grudge against you???

I know you already admitted you would prefer to wipe them off the map, but errr, doesn't that make you kind of a bad guy to most of the globe just as well?

you do realize that there are normal everyday people living in the countries you plan to wipe off the map, right??
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: Strawberry88
a reply to: deadeyedick



No. Go back and reread my post asking if you'd applaud the "enemy" making films supporting their biggest killers.







Whatever floats your boat buddy

that is a very crazy question.

just by definition alone it is contridictive.

i see you are not dealing with a full deck and lack a back bone

you have stated 3 or 4 times you are outta here but you are here.

you want to point others toward mental lessons but you fail your own standards.

please state a plan cause we are listening and really do not want to fight but we will not allow your head to be removed if we can help it.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88

SELF control and self discipline are vurtues you are lacking then I WAS NOT abused ,until I got married THEN my ex would use Tie Kwon Do.
MY DISCIPLINE stopped me from striking her ( She is a woman) and my EGO requires no such vailidation. I OVERCAME that.
READ my history KID I already HAVE SCHMUCK. WHY do you think I KNOW enemy forces? I WAS THERE.
IF I had NOT your ILK would take my place in a DRAFT to fill the ranks,better ME who can actually WIN than you who has ALREADY surrendered.

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”

― Henry Kissinger


Chris Kyle and other snipers / soldiers are just pawns in this war game .

The war is always a racket and ALL the soldiers are therefore racketeers of one sort or the other .

There is nothing to celebrate about a snipers actions unless if they are defending the defenceless women and children who are in an imminent danger of being murdered .

It is all a waste of human lives needlessly .

Killing another human being is a most traumatic event a human being can experience and no one should live through it , ever .

Period .






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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: 23432

AGAIN so you want to stand down and LET the bad do as they wish ,like the "usefull idiots" ALL parrot from there CELLPHONES.
IF war didn't exist you would be, OF COURSE correct ,but you are lucky we are the best so you CAN speak as you do.
THAT is it's worth killing is what is done so YOU CAN so speak.

Pure ingnorance
END OF STORY.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:42 PM
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Oh where to begin.


originally posted by: Strawberry88

Do you realize there are groups out there that feel as extreme about this as you do, only they want to do it to you, and feel just as righteous in their wanting to do so?

And that means what to me? Are you insinuating the whole "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" BS?

If they feel that way, I hope they bring their best game then.
Personally, I don't care about the feelings of others in this scenario.



originally posted by: Strawberry88
That thought really doesn't scare you one bit, does it? MAD really is the only option for some people, it seems.

I am scared that the Clown 0bama is in charge, and pushed our Military to bow down to others.

I am not scared of the enemy.


originally posted by: Strawberry88
I would recommend doing some reading on individual and social psychology, I really think some people could use that to understand that mankind is headed for continual destruction until a part of it "evolves" beyond longing for this ancient craving.

We humans have been waging war since the dawn of time. Seeing that the population since then has grown, I think we are doing what humans do.



originally posted by: Strawberry88
Our histories are littered with violence, it's only when we face that and come to terms with it that we'll ever get "over it".

Violence is a necessity throughout life. Talking things out doesn't fix everything.





originally posted by: Strawberry88

You do realize that a beaten child is very likely to beat their own children one day, right? Maybe, we should just learn to see that we reap what we sow? Nahh, no money to be made in that.

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.
And that the son of the beaten and enslaved man will usually want to rise up even more so then his father..Thus scorched earth.


originally posted by: Strawberry88
Funny how you understand the money issue, but can't go far enough to see what kind of influence it ACTUALLY has.

If I understand that the money factor drives the wars, what don't exactly I understand?? Your statement makes no sense.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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Reading all the soldier bashing in this thread is making me sick. Everyone in this thread ought to look at themselves. We are also responsible because every election that comes around we vote in the same crap. Self serving politicians who use our military for everything except what it's actualy there for. Those whom say they don't vote, are also at fault. You're missing an opportunity to make change.

The folks in our military didn't sign up to fight for a politicians interest. Or the interest of some 3rd world despot whom can't keep their own country secure. They signed up to protect the rest of us from the trash of the earth. ISIS is the prime example for this. Instead, they were told to go to Afghanistan and Iraq and other places for reasons that are obscure and not known. They are sent there by politicians that are obviously out for personal gain and not looking out for the nation's best interest. Yet, they are critized for killing?

Really?

They're not out there killing because they want to. They're doing it so as many of our soldiers can make it home as possible. So yes, I'm thankful that they're doing what they do. I'm thankful that folks like that helped ensure that the friends and family I have in the military made it home okay.

Long story short, stop criticizing our soldiers for doing their job, and start critizizing those in power whom sent them there to begin with.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

...and how many of the things on that list are you?

Have YOU ever been to war or taken a life? You sit and judge men who do the things you don't have the heart,guts,or brains to do for yourself from your cozy little life of intellectual superiority.

Enjoying all the freedoms others secured for you while you look down your nose at them. SMH.

Of course we've seen this before and Pacific_waters was right, hence my tag line.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Answer

It's quite easy to misunderstand people on a forum...



However...


Seeing as I never said the words "Kyle is a sociopath" I take it this is not a misunderstanding but you clearly took offence because you feel as if you were one of those I'm talking about...


Really? You're still playing that game?

You said:


Of course he felt like that...

He was a human without Sociopathic tendencies...


Then you went on to describe anyone who "celebrates" Chris Kyle as a sociopath.

You have the same M.O. in every thread: you post an extremely unpopular and often ignorant opinion and when you're called out, you use the "that's not actually what I said" or "you misunderstand me" defense in an effort to discredit those who disagree with you.

You know exactly what you meant when you made the above comments. Stand behind your opinions or don't post inflammatory statements.

To answer your snide insinuation about why I take offense to your comment, I'm not one of the people on your silly list. I joined the Marine Corps in 2002.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
Reading all the soldier bashing in this thread is making me sick. Everyone in this thread ought to look at themselves.


This is a growing trend on ATS lately. For some unknown reason, the military-bashers have come out of the woodwork in the last couple of months and there's a new thread on ATS almost daily where someone is making idiotic comments about the military.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: abe froman

A specific one...

You don't know anything about me, especially my "heart, guts or brains"...


& I made no claim of superiority...
That's what you're painting because you don't like my suggestion.


Every freedom I have now, I had before the Phony War...
Minus a few...

Great deal that was.




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