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Why Arming Ukraine could be a dangerous escalation......

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Oops! Meant to include them too.

I'm on a mobile :X




posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Oops! Meant to include them too.

I'm on a mobile :X
No worries! I just thought it would be helpful to add to your post.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

I dunno, I don`t read every post you make because I don`t learn anything from it.




and this would be why you are behind the curve on information.


I`m not behind because I read also read MSM on a daily basis.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: PizzaAnyday505




Why else would US pay for revolution in Kiev in the first place


And exactly how much did they pay?



Instead of attacking the weak, US this time wants to take out another major power


The US doesn't want to take out RUssia, but they would like Putin to take out his supporting the separatists with weapons and vacationing troops.

And he knows this, yet he just doesn't care.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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Not defending MSM because its the worst, IMO

BUT, he bas gotten his information from a variety of sources. If I'm not mistaken, his standpoint is based on popular global opinion (a very valid way to form an opinion!) not MSM views.

As long as someone doesn't form a view from propaganda, even if I disagree (as I initially did), I must keep silent.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

I dunno, I don`t read every post you make because I don`t learn anything from it.




and this would be why you are behind the curve on information.


I`m not behind because I read also read MSM on a daily basis.




Then why do you continue to post information that has been shown to be false?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: PizzaAnyday505




Why else would US pay for revolution in Kiev in the first place


And exactly how much did they pay?



Instead of attacking the weak, US this time wants to take out another major power


The US doesn't want to take out RUssia, but they would like Putin to take out his supporting the separatists with weapons and vacationing troops.

And he knows this, yet he just doesn't care.
See that is what I find so funny about this whole "US hates Russia" mindset that people seem to have. The U.S. was working VERY closely with Russia in several areas, had trade deals, traded scientific progress, shared a freakin' space station, the list goes on. The U.S. didn't, and still doesn't hate Russia.

Now, that relationship has certainly SOURED over this Ukraine conflict, but things could quickly return to normal if Russia would simply pull out of Crimea, and stop sending troops and arms to Ukraine.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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You have no idea what you are talking about

Subscribe to unbiased news source is what I would recommend



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You have no idea what you are talking about

Subscribe to unbiased news source is what I would recommend
If you assert that he doesn't know what he's talking about, then surely you must have documents and evidence to support your statements.

I'll wait for them.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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Appeasement never works out in the long run. One way or another I think were in a no win situation.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Hasn't been debunked. Proven on ATS again and again

You keep failing to disprove it



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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Peter Leonard ‏@pete_leonard

20 or so DNR buses were sent to Debaltseve evacuation, they left with 50 people. Many residents unaware the buses were coming. #Ukraine
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It seems UA did not even inform the locals. They want them in the city so prevent NAF from using heavy weapons when ceasefire is done with. This was confirmed by Gen. Basurin of the NAF.

EVIL Nazi bastards hiding behind civilians now. Bigger EVILs are in Kiev who won't let forced conscripts surrender. Time for these conscripts to turn guns against the "barrier line punishers" of UA which is ready to shoot anyone who surrenders in that pocket.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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Yeah...

Media: Kiev military open fire on Russian journalists, civilians during evacuation

Source

It seems Merkel and Hollande are defiant against the US warmongers.

Link



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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You have no idea what you are talking about

Subscribe to unbiased news source is what I would recommend


So please tell me what it is I have no idea about?

I am pretty sure I didn't say anything about a news source, so what is it your talking about?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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You keep failing to disprove it



And yet nobody has proved it.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505
a reply to: Xcathdra

Hasn't been debunked. Proven on ATS again and again

You keep failing to disprove it


Please pay attention to the conversations before you answer. That way you will know what's being talked about so when you reply your response will make sense.

There was no coup in Ukraine.
MH17 was downed by a BUK.
Russia invaded Ukraine.

All proven and a lot of pro Russians in denial.

Its that very denial that supports the argument as to why we should arm Ukraine.
edit on 6-2-2015 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:54 PM
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I read in another post that the OSCE confirmed a few of the governments claims regarding recent shelling. Can anyone remember what source it was from?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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There was no coup in Ukraine. MH17 was downed by a BUK. Russia invaded Ukraine.


There was no coup in Ukraine: NOT TRUE
Right wing elements forcefully chased a sitting President out. Parliament was dissolved hence and new elections. Back stage threats and extortion were conducted all along.

MH17 was downed by BUK: Partially True
MH17 was downed by a missile of sorts. Most probably BUK. Belonging to whom........a coin toss!

Russia invaded Ukraine: Partially True
If not all then nearly half of NAF elements are from Russia, either as volunteers, trained volunteers or RF soldiers disguising as vactioneers. Russia sure is providing arms and ammo to NAF along with other resources.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 07:16 PM
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MH17 was downed by a BUK.


So the results of the investigation are out then? Must have missed it. Got a link?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: Xcathdra




MH17 was downed by a BUK.


So the results of the investigation are out then? Must have missed it. Got a link?


sure.. do a search for MH17 and you will find several threads on the matter, including the one where the dutch investigation prelim results stated it was a high velocity projectile caused by a sam.

The report on fault should be out around August of this year.
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