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“We have two choices. We can adopt the logic that the participants ought to be armed. Since Russia is arming the separatists, we will do the same for Ukrainians so that they can defend themselves. But can you draw the line between defensive and offensive weaponry?”—asked Hollande. “The other option is to try and find a compromise and convince both sides to cease fire. Diplomacy, negotiations, but they ought not continue endlessly…Because we are dealing with a war—war which can become total.”
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: mortex
The purpose is to debate and discuss.. There is side A and there is side B. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.
When the same accusations keep popping up time after time, even when its been disproved, it becomes problematic. When you have claims made with nothing to back it up it becomes problematic. When Russia media gets caught time and time again lying in their broadcasts it becomes problematic.
When claims are made in multiple threads that Ukraine used WMD's it must be followed with a source. After several attempts to get the link the op just ignored the request.
It seems that when a topic is posted and individuals in that thread lose out on the debate for whatever reason, they go into mode of raising issues already discussed, which in turns buries the valid information.
Its extremely frustrating.
These debates should be a crucible, where the back and forth burns off the outer coat of mis-information, omissions, lies, etc until we are left with a purer product that is close to the truth.
I cautiously speak in my own defense regarding this, knowing that you are likely to dismiss it as just another "pro-west Hawk" trying to rationalize my radical ideals. I lean pro-west because while most of the UN and NATO agree Putin is being aggressive with his conquest of Eastern Ukraine, the only government body that seems to have the opposing view is the accused aggressor.
originally posted by: mortex
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: mortex
The purpose is to debate and discuss.. There is side A and there is side B. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.
When the same accusations keep popping up time after time, even when its been disproved, it becomes problematic. When you have claims made with nothing to back it up it becomes problematic. When Russia media gets caught time and time again lying in their broadcasts it becomes problematic.
When claims are made in multiple threads that Ukraine used WMD's it must be followed with a source. After several attempts to get the link the op just ignored the request.
It seems that when a topic is posted and individuals in that thread lose out on the debate for whatever reason, they go into mode of raising issues already discussed, which in turns buries the valid information.
Its extremely frustrating.
These debates should be a crucible, where the back and forth burns off the outer coat of mis-information, omissions, lies, etc until we are left with a purer product that is close to the truth.
Except what people like you do, is not discuss and debate a topic. You virtually shout people down and berate them and belittle them with your comments.
You've done it to numerous people, most people just give up and stop wasting their time with people like you.
Others like that Agent USA Supporter or whatever his name is who is part of the pro-Russia group I was talking about in my post, just keep coming back for more arguments with people like you in the pro-USA group.
They need to create a USA vs Russia sub forum where you guys can go and duke it out and leave the rest of the forum in peace.
We aren't all angels, admittedly. But all you guys do is argue with each other about who is right and wrong.
You can't sit there and tell us you want the truth, in any form, when you basically deny anything the other side has to say, whether it's ridiculous like claiming that Ukraine uses WMD or other claims.
You want proof you say. You say the Russian media lies. Yet you rely on Western media, ie Western propaganda for your arguments. The pro-Russia group does the same, they rely on their sides propaganda for their arguments.
None of you are willing to compromise or find a middle ground.
originally posted by: stirling
I see Joe Bidens son as CEO of a Ukrainian fracking venture in what has been termed promising Ukrainian resource....
It makes me believe that the Ukraine was hornswoggled into the current predicament by corporate interests more than nationalistic furor....
Vice President Biden's son Hunter is joining the board of a gas company that operates in Ukraine.
Burisma Holdings, Ukraine's largest private gas producer, said Hunter Biden -- an attorney -- will be in charge of its legal unit and help the company with other international organizations.
"I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine," the younger Biden said in a statement.
The Biden appointment comes as the United States and allied nations try to help Ukraine reduce its dependence on Russian energy by developing other sources.
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's visit Saturday to support Ukraine's fragile democracy came soon after his youngest son was hired by a private Ukrainian company that promotes energy independence from Moscow.
Yet that company leases natural gas fields in the breakaway Russian-backed state of Crimea and is owned by a former government minister with ties to Ukraine's ousted pro-Russian president.
originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505
Why else would US pay for revolution in Kiev in the first place,
I advocate the use of military force to stop Russian aggression and occupation of sovereign nations. I reject the bs argument about spheres of influence and Russia's near abroad.
Every time you come into a thread and scream at the top of your lungs on an issue I will be right there screaming at the top of mine the counter argument with supporting evidence and sources to debunk the claim.
originally posted by: kitzik
I have another, simpler strategy, whenever I see a post with you name attached I feel safe to skip it.
Unless I'm very bored and want to see another masterpiece of demagoguery.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
When European appeasement fails it will be the US who is dragged into a war.
How many topics have you authored that have been proven false and how many of your sources have been caught lying? How many times have you been called out for omitting information or changing titles of threads? Or outright lying about the information??