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originally posted by: GEZUCHKRiCT
the wall in China for instance which is a very basic message from the dead .
mind your own business or you will be what this wall was built with .
a reply to: Dimithae
I think we have already caused enough trouble there,just like in all the other places we have so called 'helped'. It is really a silly idea that Russia will take back Ukraine. That I can't even entertain for a second. If Russia had really wanted to do that,it would already be done,and I don't mean just Crimea. They would have had the whole country a while back.Plus when you look at the fact that Russia has not gone on and taken the rest of Moldova or Georgia,it shows that they don't want those countries as once again part of Russia. They want a buffer zone to keep NATO off their door step,and will do whatever it takes to achieve that.
As far as giving them weapons or aid,I say forget it! How many wars do we have to support more? How much more debt must every man,woman,and child bear due to irresponsible budgeting and war in this country? I for one do not want to see our citizens burdened with this back breaking debt,that has no real benefit for us. Who is threatening us? Trust me its not Russia nor any middle eastern country. Its our own government that is taking our rights away as fast as they can. Now we are trying to make Ukraine our 51st state. If I were running Ukraine and saw the US coming, I would run for the hills! I would not want my country to become another Libya or Iraq. But its too late now,we have already implanted a couple of our citizens in their country to run it the way we want.And that big bad Russia is spoiling our fun 'sob'. Too bad. We need to worry about our citizens and let Ukraine pull itself out of its own cesspool. Its been that way for years now,and STILL hasn't learned to run itself right. If Russia was smart,they would call in their loans on that cesspool and bankrupt it right out from under the Western powers.
originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony And I trust his judgement since he's the one handling classified projects and not I.
originally posted by: stirling
There are many emotional calls for shipping lethal aid to Ukraine....The separatists seem to be forging ahead with expansion and their attacks have been very successful, though bloody costly for both sides......
Now the US mulls over sending arms of an offensive nature....
Cooler heads are opposed to this option, and the debate is ongoing....
Any Opinions out there in ATS Land would be appreciated.....
Though I am in favour of some military aid....I think it should be specifically targeted towards neutralising Russian hardware that's pouring into Ukraine since the easterners revolted against the western backed government.
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WASHINGTON -- Hours before Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) compared Europe's attitude toward Russian President Vladimir Putin to appeasement toward Nazi Germany, the German ambassador here warned U.S. hawks not to see a military solution as the only way forward on Ukraine.
Germany has "the sense this conflict is spiraling," Ambassador Peter Wittig said in a small briefing with reporters at the Germany embassy in Washington. But he urged proponents of sending arms to Ukraine to remember that diplomacy at the highest levels -- including what he called "an unusual trip" by the leaders of Germany and France to Moscow on Friday -- may still bear fruit.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel "would not go there if she had no hope that something would be achieved," the ambassador said. "She's not going empty-handed."
Wittig said he could not speak about any potential deal that Merkel and French President Francois Hollande may hope to strike with Putin.
The ambassador said his comments -- including questions to those who support sending arms, like, "Where should that lead to?" and "Does it lead to an improvement?" -- were not meant to insult U.S. figures like McCain. Instead, he said they were meant as "an appeal."
He warned that an even more serious military confrontation with Russia may ensue if the U.S. were to follow through on delivering arms to the embattled Ukrainian government, which has been fighting rebels tied to Putin for months. More than 5,000 have been killed in the fighting since April.
The New York Times reported over the weekend that support was growing in the Obama administration and NATO for sending defensive weapons and equipment to the Ukrainian army following recent major rebel victories. The day the story was published, eight senior one-time U.S. officials now working for a range of Washington think tanks published a rare joint report urging immediate action to arm Ukraine. Ukrainian government leaders have called for such assistance, most recently in an interview published Thursday by German outlet Die Welt.
McCain and others in a bipartisan group of legislators said Thursday that sending arms to Kiev was the only way to deter further advances by the pro-Russian rebels.
"Defensive, lethal assistance will not allow the Ukrainian military to defeat the Russian military in a full-fledged war. But it will raise the risks and costs Russia must incur to continue its offensive," McCain said. He called the Europeans, who have put their hopes in diplomacy, "a huge disappointment."
Secretary of State John Kerry visited Kiev Thursday and committed millions in new humanitarian aid to Ukraine. But the administration has not yet made clear whether it will send arms, suggesting it may be waiting to see whether the negotiations between Merkel, Hollande and Putin produce a workable agreement.
Wittig said Germany, too, is frustrated with "the lacking results of all diplomatic efforts" so far, including an agreement reached in Minsk in September that was meant to put an end to the clashes.
Still, Wittig added, the U.S. and Germany agree on the "common basis of a non-military agreement."