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well the country wasn't in the state it is in now. And the region wasn't quite as unstable as it is now. That wouldn't be any of the CBRN weaponry we gave him would it? And I don't need a lecture about how evil Saddam was because I've personally witnessed American and British soldiers committing war crimes in Iraq. We are no better. How long will it be our fault? When we stop meddling in other countries affairs and making a hash of it maybe? The 2003 invasion and current events are directly related. If you add western arming and funding of these groups it also makes us more implicit in all of this.
originally posted by: American-philosopher
a reply to: sg1642
Right the order of Saddam throwing mustard gas on his own people and torturing people yeah that's order
exactly what he said.
originally posted by: anticitizen
IS can only be stopped by a coalition of muslim countries.
if we go there, it will be another guerillia war we can't win. after some time we have to get out again because people have enough and another terrorist group arises again.
let's learn from history.
iraq and syria have to be freed by like-minded people just like germany was freed by other european countries (and the us which is not too different) in ww2. you bet germans back then wouldn't want to be freed by an invasion of muslim africans!
even the russian occupation was very troublesome.
the fact that other muslim countries now do pretty much nothing is a whole other story. in my opinion their lack of intervention is some kind of chatting-up with IS and terror.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Willtell
Why is it the US responsibility to get rid of ISIL?
We just got out of that area, can we just stay out of it for once and not sacrifice our men and women and spend more money that we don't have.
yes mate to be quite honest. There will be large groups cursing our name and asking where we are now. They would be the same people who would be happy to see us for 6 months and then start planting IED's under our vehicles, however but you are right in many respects the damage is done. Now how to sort it?
originally posted by: Irishhaf
Boggles my mind that people still prefer to assign blame before the problem is fixed.
In short stop putting the cart before the horse... What bush did, didn't do or might have done means squat at the moment.
Do you think the people living in fear every day under those animals care about who caused it?
In 2005, the Albu Mahals, a tribe that smuggled foreign fighters and materiel across the Syrian - Iraq border, was being forced out of their territory by the Al Salmani tribe allied with Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. The tribe proposed an alliance with the local USMC Battalion under the command of LtCol Dale Alford in November 2005, after being forcibly displaced from their traditional base in Al Qaim, and began receiving weapons and training. In September 2006, the leader of the movement, Sheik Abdul Sattar Buzaigh al-Rishawi, formed the Anbar Awakening Council also called "Anbar Awakening" to counter the influence of foreign fighters—al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Despite warnings from some portions of United States intelligence community, Sheik Abdul Sattar Buzaigh al-Rishawi was assassinated along with two bodyguards, by a roadside bomb planted near his home in Ramadi, in September 2007. His brother, Ahmed Abu Risha, took over as leader, but so far has been unable to unite the various awakening militias.
In October 2008, the Iraqi government took over from the American military the responsibility for paying 54,000 members of the Awakening councils. Many of the Awakening fighters put little trust in the Iraqi government to help employ them. "I consider the transfer an act of betrayal by the U.S. Army," said one Awakening member in response to the transfer.
The Sons of Iraq were virtually nonexistent by 2013 due to former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's unwillingness to integrate them into the security services. Sunnis formerly serving with the group were faced with options including becoming unemployed or joined the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.