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Obama uses National Prayer Breakfast to defend Islam and criticize Christianity

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:03 PM
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To be clear and so everyone reading this knows exactly what was said regarding Obama insulting Christians and their faith, let's look at what was said. Here are the parts of his speech mentioning Christ and/or Christians:




We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion.




Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. Michelle and I returned from India -- an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity -- but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs -- acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation.




Last year, we joined together to pray for the release of Christian missionary Kenneth Bae, held in North Korea for two years. And today, we give thanks that Kenneth is finally back where he belongs -- home, with his family. (Applause.)




And Pastor Abedini wrote, “Nothing is more valuable to the Body of Christ than to see how the Lord is in control, and moves ahead of countries and leadership through united prayer.” And he closed his letter by describing himself as “prisoner for Christ, who is proud to be part of this great nation of the United States of America that cares for religious freedom around the world.” (Applause.)


So there ya go. Remind me again where it is that Obama is attacking christians and their faith in those sections above??? Because to me it looks like just the opposite.




posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: neo96

How is it insulting a religion to say that wonderful things have been done in its name, yet there have been people hijacking that same wonderful religion for their own nefarious purposes? Please explain to me how that is insulting a religion.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

It doesn't matter what Obama said, some (as goaded by the right-wing media machine) don't need to deal with silly facts ... like quotations. They already KNOW what Obama means. They don't have to limit themselves to actual words spoken.

Or actually, BELIEVE they know, which is worse.

The ultimate issue being the irrationality in any belief-based system ... but that's another ax to be ground elsewhere.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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This is a non issue.

Another reason, why I keep saying that republicans are stupid. We have dozens of important issues and they chose THIS to be upset about?

ARG!



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: mOjOm

They are not even comparable in 2015.

Christianity with it's flaws sorted most of it's medieval crap out centuries ago.

Islam still lives in the dark ages.


Perhaps...but if there weren't laws on the books about murder and discrimination, I'd wager we'd see killings in the name of Christianity today. It wasn't long ago that some communities in the south had a "lynching tree". Well, they still might have the tree but it's not used like that anymore (I would hope).

We still have gay people being killed, does anyone remember that college student that was left on a fence in Wyoming?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Man has created no law that the first 10 laws don't already cover.

As in the 10 commandments.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Man has created no law that the first 10 laws don't already cover.

As in the 10 commandments.


Yeah we abolished Slavery. Nothing about that in the 10 commandments. Apparently the Christian God is okay with Slavery.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: amazing

5,8, covers slavery.

Honor your mother, and father. Slavery doesn't.

You shall not steal. Slavery is theft.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Oh ya, I'm well aware of that. The "some" that you speak of I consider a lost cause for the most part anyway and don't hold out much hope in swaying them from believing their own propaganda. My opposition to them using facts rather than belief is done for those out there who may still be on the fence about things.

That doesn't mean I myself have taken sides either though as in a Left vs. Right debate. I have plenty of issues with both the Left and Right and in no way would defend Obama out of some loyalty or patriotism or partisanship idea of which I don't qualify to belong in any such group IMO.

But in this case, the facts are facts and what was said is right there in black and white so separating the truth from fiction is rather easy. I would hope that in situations like this where the "spin" is so obvious it would help people in realizing just how far some in the media will go in trying to falsify information to suit their agenda. The fact that the Right Wing Media and talking heads have lost their sh*t over this speech and play the christian victim persecution card with such blatant disregard for honesty to me would be almost unbelievable if it wasn't for the fact that it seems to happen so often.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: amazing

5,8, covers slavery.

Honor your mother, and father. Slavery doesn't.

You shall not steal. Slavery is theft.



Not really and apparently it wasn't very clear. Many "Christian Men" owned slaves around the world until fairly recently. You would think God would have saw the need to clarify that in the bible, being all knowing and all.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Man has created no law that the first 10 laws don't already cover.

As in the 10 commandments.


So ... nothing wrong with rape, sexual abuse, or pedophilia then, as long as no one is married? Oh, right ... it's the Old Testament; my bad.

Not to mention, many biblical scholars agree that the Decalogue was probably unabashedly stolen from the far more complete and rational Code of Hammurabi with, of course, lots of "our god is the only god" stuff overlaid on it.

As is the favorite of Sharia Law: (inherited from Judaism and Christianity)



The biblical “And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.” (Deut 19,21; Ex 21,23.25) is actually from Hammurabi.


The Ten Commandments and the Code of Hammurabi

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Man has created no law that the first 10 laws don't already cover.

As in the 10 commandments.


Yeah we abolished Slavery. Nothing about that in the 10 commandments. Apparently the Christian God is okay with Slavery.


The Old Testament God was okay with lots of horrible acts. Killing women and children for relatively minor offences - no problem.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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I have to say, besides the obvious opportunity for more Obama-bashing, the fact that we are still arguing about such matters in 2015 is stupefying. It reminds me of my childhood, and very serious arguments about whether Superman could whip the Hulk's a-double nor not.

"My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend."

/sheesh



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: amazing

5,8, covers slavery.

Honor your mother, and father. Slavery doesn't.

You shall not steal. Slavery is theft.



Well there are plenty of passages in the Old Testament about owning slaves. You can't pick and choose what parts of the "Good Book"" you like and ditch the parts you don't.



And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

—Exodus 21


The Bible and Slavery - Wikipedia

We have slavery and gender discrimination right there. I believe Exodus is Old Testament, the same place the 10 commandments came from.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I understand what you're saying.

Here's the thing: there is no "right and left." The ideas are complete fabrication, and is nothing more than the modern version of the artifice that keeps human minds in bondage (along with the oldies but goodies, money, religion and xenophobia).

Things are either true or they're not. Well, things in the material world at least, which to my way of thinking, has to be the basis of any cosmology.

For example, is it true that we shouldn't spend more than we make? Of course. There's no reason for any country to run deficits except in times of greatest emergency. But as the very concept of spending is related to money which is, of course, nothing more than purest illusion in the end, the idea that we're going to "run out" of an imaginary thing that can be created with the stroke of a pen or the toggling of a bit or two ...

Why should anyone go hungry when we (collectively) have enough wealth to easily feed anyone who has nothing a million times over a day. A billion even? For the mere price of the 6th or 7th yacht that some banksters own.

Anyway, you get the picture. I'm wandering off topic.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Dunno why people are fixed on Christianity.

Guess they forget about the crap in the Qu'ran.

Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Slavery



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I guess we're fixed on Christianity because that's the a large part of the premise in this thread -- Obama criticizing Christianity.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369


He hasn't lied though has he?.....hes 100% accurate


So could you tell us why he didn't mention that the Christian crusades were a response to the Islamic crusades as they were forcing their way throughout Europe by the sword?...

Why didn't he mention the millions of people who have been murdered under atheist systems such as communism? The Red Terror of Spain in the 1930s when the majority of socialists, leftists, and anarchists decided to murder people for being religious or capitalist... Which then gave rise to Francisco Franco in response to the atheists crimes and murders in Spain...

Evil people who hate anyone who thinks differently than them will use any, and every excuse to commit crimes and murder... It's that simple.


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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Well if Obama really wanted to irritate people, he could have mentioned the incidents of cannibalism the Christian Crusaders did...

EDIT: To include some historical perspective...


Maarat was not as rich as the crusaders had hoped and they were still short of supplies and food as December progressed. Most of the soldiers and knights preferred to continue the march to Jerusalem, caring little for the political dispute between Bohemond and Raymond, and Raymond tried to buy the support of the other leaders. While the leaders negotiated away from the city, some of the starving crusaders at Maarat reportedly resorted to cannibalism, feeding on the dead bodies of Muslims.

Siege of Ma'arra - Wikipedia
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
news.yahoo.com...




“Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ"



www.breitbart.com...




Oh, and btw, did Obama forget that the Jim Crow laws were enacted by a "progressive DEMOCRAT" President known as Woodrow Wilson?... The same idiot who gave international bankers power over the U.S. economy through the implementation of the Federal Reserve Act and the IRS as they exist to this day?...


...
Jim Crow laws mandated the segregation of public schools, public places and public transportation, and the segregation of restrooms, restaurants and drinking fountains for whites and blacks. The U.S. military was also segregated, as were federal workplaces, initiated in 1913 under President Woodrow Wilson, the first Southern president since 1856. His administration practiced overt racial discrimination in hiring, requiring candidates to submit photos.
...

en.wikipedia.org...




edit on 6-2-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



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