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Obama uses National Prayer Breakfast to defend Islam and criticize Christianity

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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: beezzer




Perception trumps any "fact" in politics.


Perception equals bias confirmation. Perception and bias confirmation are why Sean Hannity a job.


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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: windword

When someone's actual words and actions can't be twisted into some ludicrous fantasy, they start talking about "perception."

I.e. it doesn't matter what the President actually DID or SAID, they know what he really meant so say, and therefore, he said that.

Any distortion except reality.

/sigh



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: windword

Perception is why every pundit has a job.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: windword

I think when some folks say "perception" they really mean "lying through one's teeth."

Or rather, that's what it looks like from here.

Let's look at something the President actually said:



As we speak, around the world, we see faith inspiring people to lift up one another -- to feed the hungry and care for the poor, and comfort the afflicted and make peace where there is strife. We heard the good work that Sister has done in Philadelphia, and the incredible work that Dr. Brantly and his colleagues have done. We see faith driving us to do right.

But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.

We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion.

So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?

Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. Michelle and I returned from India -- an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity -- but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs -- acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation.

So this is not unique to one group or one religion. There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith. In today’s world, when hate groups have their own Twitter accounts and bigotry can fester in hidden places in cyberspace, it can be even harder to counteract such intolerance. But God compels us to try. And in this mission, I believe there are a few principles that can guide us, particularly those of us who profess to believe.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

You forgot the catholics decimation of South America and what we did to Native Amaercans...



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Here's the transcript of the President's speech: Remarks by the President at the National Prayer Breakfast

I utterly DEFY anyone to read it, and quote the "pro-Islamist" ideology that Newt or anyone else is claiming is there.






Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. Michelle and I returned from India -- an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity -- but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs -- acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation.





He put big emphasis on the above paragraph.

It's a dead giveaway.

Classic Obama - omit what you really mean.




posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

Classic Obama - omit what you really mean.



So now you have a problem with what he didn't say while also assuming what he really meant???

You know what works better than ignoring what he's saying and making up your own implied meaning??? Listening to what he actually said.

Here's a nice little section that was right before the one you quote. Doesn't seem to come across as very Pro-Islamic terrorism to me. But then again I actually read the words rather than interpreting them.



But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.

We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion.


Maybe it will help to just listen to it instead.

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Right so that so many can just make up what you mean in their heads.

Like you're doing. Classic Xuenchen.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 05:28 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord
I see grown men beheading kids as well as adults, if you wish to call them men. I see this happening in the name of a religion. I don't see or read true Muslim or Christians doing such atrocities today or way back when. I have said this before...............Religion is of man and the books of said religions are of man...................that's the real problem.




posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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Perception trumps any "fact" in politics.

Which is why and how you can attack what he said without the use of any facts whatsoever

Or, did you think nobody ever notices beezzer?

The Crusades as a choice was spot on. You don't like it as an example for the obvious reasons

Doesn't make him a supporter of terrorism or extremism - just means he understands history and how to use it to make an eloquent point
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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Yep. Obama is saying what I have been saying: religion is not the problem - people are the problem. He is saying that religion can be the source of love and goodness and compassion and peace.That includes Islam as well as Christianity. He is saying that people can use/misuse/distort stuff from religion to justify their need for anger/vengeance/control/violence. He is reminding us that Christianity had its share of hateful/controlling/violent distorters. But Christianity itself is not the problem. Islam itself is not the problem. He is talking to people who may try to claim that Islam itself is the problem.

For those who say that no one distorts the Christian religion to harm others anymore, you only need to look at other places around the world. Also, there is absolutely no guarantee that America could never have a homegrown Christian terrorist group start up at any time. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it couldn't. There's plenty of stuff in the Bible that someone could distort if they wanted to in order to justify killing masses of people.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: infolurker

The Crusades were political as well as religious. At that time there would have been many good Christians who would not have wanted to be a party to that. President Obama is lumping past Christians together on that score as though they all acted as the Crusaders did.

It is like saying all Christians today have committed child abuse just because a few priests have. It is a bit clumsy and blanket criticism, but I get his point.

I know that most Muslim people would not do the terrible thing that IS do. I do not blanket criticise them as a religion.

The Crusaders did some very cruel things. The Inquisition was responsible for millions of murders; so many women were burned as witches, etc. I believe it was all political and was carried out for a specific purpose that had nothing to do with religion. What they did was to hide behind a mask of religion and respectability. How could they have followed Christ because He only preached love for one's enemy and to fight our battles and GD's with words only?
The inquisition was not responsible for millions of murders. Do some damn research before you make ridiculous claims like that.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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I don't really know what to say about this, and I didn't see the entire speech so I really can't comment intelligently. But since I do wish to contribute to the thread, I just thought I'd say...Obama's and ass.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yep. Obama is saying what I have been saying: religion is not the problem - people are the problem. He is saying that religion can be the source of love and goodness and compassion and peace.That includes Islam as well as Christianity. He is saying that people can use/misuse/distort stuff from religion to justify their need for anger/vengeance/control/violence. He is reminding us that Christianity had its share of hateful/controlling/violent distorters. But Christianity itself is not the problem. Islam itself is not the problem. He is talking to people who may try to claim that Islam itself is the problem.

For those who say that no one distorts the Christian religion to harm others anymore, you only need to look at other places around the world. Also, there is absolutely no guarantee that America could never have a homegrown Christian terrorist group start up at any time. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it couldn't. There's plenty of stuff in the Bible that someone could distort if they wanted to in order to justify killing masses of people.


we have Christian terrorist groups already here in America...look at these
www.adl.org...

and here's the history of them over the last few decades....
www.splcenter.org...

and here's just "regular" right-wing terrorism in America...
www.cnn.com...



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:42 AM
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After the Second Punic War, there was a political party in the Roman Republic that decided that Rome's enemy Carthage had to be completely annihilated to preserve the future standing of the Republic.

Cato the Elder, a Senator who lived to a venerable age, supposedly ended all his speeches with "Cathago delendum est!" (or more likely "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam" but who really cares.)

"Carthage must be destroyed."

In the Third Punic War, the Romans sacked the city of Carthage, took the entire population into slavery, pulled down the stones of the walls and buildings, carted those off to be used in the construction of roads, or bridges, or aqueducts, and then sowed the earth with salt, so that nothing and no one could ever even live there again.

I'm always reminded of that little historical trivia when I hear Republicans talk about Mr. Obama.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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A little relevance to proper time frame may be in order dont ya think Obamy? Then again, he will get a pass from the left here on ATS as well as MSM.

Lets not discuss that children are being raped and murdered. No, no, that is part of the Muslim religion and is completely acceptable in the book of Evil.

Chopping of heads.. No, lets not discuss that.

Burning people alive, no, not a big deal.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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Double post..
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: truckdriver42
A little relevance to proper time frame may be in order dont ya think Obamy? Then again, he will get a pass from the left here on ATS as well as MSM.

Lets not discuss that children are being raped and murdered. No, no, that is part of the Muslim religion and is completely acceptable in the book of Evil.

Chopping of heads.. No, lets not discuss that.

Burning people alive, no, not a big deal.


You mean by saying something like:


We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.


I'm guessing you never read the transcript nor watched or heard the speech yourself and are just echoing what the Right Wing media has told you since he quite clearly did speak out against such things.

Or was it just not graphic enough to satisfy your lust for more doom porn that you are upset about???
Maybe at the next Prayer Breakfast they could show a slide show of abuses, rapes and murder and then shoot an actual terrorist in the face and eat over his dead body. Maybe then the conservatives who love war and violence so much will finally get their fill.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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If Barack Obama missed the incongruity of lecturing today’s Christians about their attachment to the Crusades and slavery while dismissing connections between Islam and ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other present threats from Islamist terror groups, he may have been the only one who did. Noah skewered it as “Voxplaining Islamist fundamentalism,” but it’s worse than that — and plenty of people noticed. The Washington Post reports on the blowback, with critics arguing that the President of the United States has more important tasks than finger-wagging about events from 600 or more years ago … like developing a national strategy to fight the threats in this century:


High horses and bull puckey: Professor Obama’s history lesson a dud

And people wonder why Obama get's called a muslim apologist.

That speech is why.

Why no people instead of talking about current events in the name of Allah which one would think would be the greater insult.

Obama double downs on stupid.



And if, in fact, we defend the legal right of a person to insult another’s religion, we’re equally obligated to use our free speech to condemn such insults — (applause)


More Obama: Freedom of speech obligates us to condemn insults to religion

Only when it comes to us evil Christian's. Hey just pay no attention to those people in the middle east are currently doing in 2015.

No No. Lets go back decades, and centuries instead!

At least Abdullah is stepping up to the plate. Glad at least someone has.

Instead of making excuse's for this nation's enemies. The west's enemies. The middle eastern states that have so much to lose if no one does.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

And people wonder why Obama get's called a muslim apologist.

That speech is why.

Why no people instead of talking about current events in the name of Allah which one would think would be the greater insult.

Obama double downs on stupid.


So him making a distinction between Radical Muslim terrorists and non-violent muslims makes him a muslim apologist???




And if, in fact, we defend the legal right of a person to insult another’s religion, we’re equally obligated to use our free speech to condemn such insults — (applause)


More Obama: Freedom of speech obligates us to condemn insults to religion

Only when it comes to us evil Christian's. Hey just pay no attention to those people in the middle east are currently doing in 2015.

No No. Lets go back decades, and centuries instead!



Referencing historical events isn't insulting anyone's religion. Unless the truth found in history is an insult now.



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