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Obama uses National Prayer Breakfast to defend Islam and criticize Christianity

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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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This is coming from an administration that doesn't want to talk about Benghazi because it happened so long ago.

I can't say I'm shocked or even surprized by what the president said.

People will defend him just because.

For those that are critical. Really? C'mon folks. We knew he would say anything. Why is it a big surprize?




posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Did he? Which our religion is it? He could be pushing back in response to criticism of two religions in the context I'm seeing here.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: neo96



The fact is that what he said in the speech wasn't insulting christians or christianity nor was it about praising islam or muslims. As if he's going to stand in front of a group of christians while having breakfast with them and do that???
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He brings up Jim Crow and the south in light of southern christian ideas but says nothing about all those northern christain men that died in the civil war.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: ketsuko

He wasn't giving a comprehensive history lesson. He was talking about people hijacking religions and doing BAD things in the name of religion. People hijack Islam and Christianity TODAY and do bad things. Simple message. Only by dissecting it, analyzing it, adding your own interpretation and prejudices can you come to your conclusions.

Jesus!

See above post for ludicrous example!


NO, NO, NO

Penalty.

Moving the goalposts. You were the one who started this by saying he was talking about history. NOW you want it to be about Christianity and Islam TODAY.

I think you should be penalized at least five yards for that.


And are you implying that when Arabs captured/bought Africans and marched them across the Sahara (women and children mind you), it was somehow a good thing for them? That is the implication of the capped "BAD" that this was somehow good when Arab muslims did it and bad when the Africans were taken on ships over the Atlantic.
edit on 5-2-2015 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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Who cares about the civil war! Move on! That was almost 200 years ago!



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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In a country that prides itself on separation of church and state why do we have a National Prayer anything?



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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I agree with Obama, all religion is born from evil roots and is perpetuated through evil acts.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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Moving the goalposts. You were the one who started this by saying he was talking about history. NOW you want it to be about Christianity and Islam TODAY.


He was talking selective history.

Cherry picked events, and leaving quite a hell of a lot out.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock


He brings up Jim Crow and the south in light of southern christian ideas but says nothing about all those northern christain men that died in the civil war.


He's just reminding everyone that Christianity has had it's darker past too. Crusades. Burning witches just a few hundred years ago. Blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors just a couple years ago. Calling to exterminate gays, like 20 minutes ago. But we don't go and arrest and imprison every christian because one of them blew up a clinic.

That is what he is asking the christians who want all muslims exterminated now. He's showing the hypocrisy of a bunch of Christians calling for the extermination of Islam when many of the actions on both sides have and/or are the same.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: abe froman
In a country that prides itself on separation of church and state why do we have a National Prayer anything?


Because it brings people together!!!!





posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Awolscout

Is that right ?

Not been paying attention to current events in Iraq, and Syria eh?

Where over 190,000 people have been killed millions more displace multiplied that over the middle east ,and northern africa.

That wasn't done by christian's.

Hell that is not even a civil war.

It's a coup d'etat by those innocent muslims.
I've been paying attention to the ME for quite some time now and unless you have a selective memory western interests, (mainly countries of Christian denominations might I add) have been bombing that region and killing well over a million people for over a decade now. It wasn't Islam who absolutely destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure, in turn creating a nice vacuum for which an exremist group like the Islamic State could fill.

No need to touch on your anti Obama and left rhetoric. Your posting history speaks for itself.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: MiddleClassWhiteBoy
Who cares about the civil war! Move on! That was almost 200 years ago!


are you kidding?....the south is still fighting it, they even practice for it all the time with their "re-enactments"...what other country would relive their civil war(s) over and over?



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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Well, it's not so much that as it is that he's giving a speech ostensibly about the terrible things in the ME and tries to draw a false equivalence. I could see a place and context to remind people of those things in our past, but doing it here and without similarly pointing to the atrocities of Islam at the same time? That I don't agree with. It's like we're the only ones who need a lecture.

I continually get the feeling that they think we're going to suddenly go off and wantonly murder every Muslim we see because of what's happening in the ME. So, they are constantly trying to shame us into not doing it. Now, I don't know about you, but that's not the feeling I get from people. We are horrified and angry yes, but if we're really ticked at anyone in this country, it's the idiots who think we don't know better who our enemies are.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:05 PM
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You have to watch the video to see what's in it.

Obama's shifty eyes and head bobbing give it away.

He's buttering up his bread.

Never let a crisis go to waste.






posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: MiddleClassWhiteBoy
Who cares about the civil war! Move on! That was almost 200 years ago!


are you kidding?....the south is still fighting it, they even practice for it all the time with their "re-enactments"...what other country would relive their civil war(s) over and over?


If you think it's only Southerners who re-enact the Civil War, you don't know much of anything. The Civil War is an immensely popular topic of conversation because in one war you had some of the most respected strategic military minds to date. You don't often get that concentration of military genius in one place at one time. You also have the interesting example of a time in history when tactics were forced to change and adapt to new weapons as the war was fought, and those same military men had to cope with those changing conditions on the ground and on the fly.

It has nothing to do with any perceived racism or anything else and everything to do with it being a fascinating period in military history.

Or do you think the Japanese and the Germans continue to fight WWII because it has a similar level of appeal to people who find military history and tactics fascinating?


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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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He's using the common method of defaming the past of Christianity while shifting blame from Islam.

It's not reasonable, it's merely emotionally manipulative handwaving.

First off, Christianity during the Crusades and the Inquisition is a wholly different entity compared to modern Christianity, everyone with a basic understanding of the World should know this. There is no comparison of Islam and Christianity, there's a vast gulf of differences between these two religions, especially when dealing with questions of violence and belligerence.

Secondly, I would say that this cycle of violence is rather unique to the Middle East, all adults know this. I'd go even further and say that this is unique to Islam itself. It's a matter of fact that Islam has always been at war with the world around it, in earlier times and in modern times. This is a known and acknowledged fact of history and no matter how hard muslims and their apologists try to obfuscate this basic fact, it does remain a fact.

As Samuel P. Huntington astutely observed:

In Eurasia the great historic fault lines between civilizations are once more aflame. This is particularly true along the boundaries of the crescent-shaped Islamic bloc of nations, from the bulge of Africa to central Asia. Violence also occurs between Muslims, on the one hand, and Orthodox Serbs in the Balkans, Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma and Catholics in the Philippines. Islam has bloody borders.


And this is really the meat of the whole conversation of Islam in the West, the elephant in the room the left refuses to acknowledge. They'll expend considerable energy in devising increasingly bizarre mental acrobatics just to avoid facing this. You'll have feminists and such defending muslim chauvinism to the death before they would ever even admit that such a problem could exist. Likewise you'll have jews defending increasingly anti-semitic segments of the muslim population.

And who's wrong is everything? You guessed it, white people, always.

One could write a book on the severe abundance of cognitive dissonance and straight up delusion that manages to grip a majority of the population. It's a collective psychosis on the scale of the Third Reich, which is highly amusing because barring rogue states and such these two forces are pretty much the modern manifestation of fascism. They're simply brainwashed and if they had lived during the 30's in Germany they would have been conforming nazis, not the persecuted political dissidents they would have imagined themselves to be. Because these are followers and conformists, not trailblazers and revolutionaries. They conform wholly to what the media and the modern ideological and political zeitgeist tells them to.

As Winston Churchill once remarked, the fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists.

Opponents in this debate never have a leg to stand on, this is why media and proponents are mainly preoccupied with demonizing, shaming, ostracizing and deflecting. They never respond to actual arguments and if they do their arguments are always lacking. It's a testament to our degenerate culture and our pitiable ignorance that massive lies like these can circulate and even dominate conventional thought with such a stranglehold.

Hmpf..

Oh, and Obama is a spineless puppet that is doing his utmost to divide the US by all means necessary.

You're gonna defend Islam in the aftermath of terrorist attacks on the West all the while pointing your finger at Christianity?
He's a troll dancing to the tune of his masters. His objective is simple and obvious and has been so for as long as he's been in the spotlight, he has been serving the same interests and advancing all the same policies and trends that his predecessors have.

Wake up America, wake up Europe!

The enemy is not on our doorstep, the enemy is within, it's in our home and has been for a long time. It is high time we take the bull by its horns and root these traitors and instigators out.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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Moving the goalposts. You were the one who started this by saying he was talking about history. NOW you want it to be about Christianity and Islam TODAY.


Yeah someone sure does have memory issues.

As there is no such thing in the west.

After all Christianity implemented that separation of church, and states centuries ago.

Whereas no such separation exists in Islam.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx
You do realize that in re-enactments the North still wins right? Also re-enactments are done all over the country not just the south.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:22 PM
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He's using the common method of defaming the past of Christianity while shifting blame from Islam.


It's classic Obama.

The truth about the false choice



As a rhetorical device, particularly as a political rhetorical device, the false choice has outlived its usefulness, if it ever had any. The phrase has become a trite substitute for serious thinking. It serves too often to obscure rather than to explain.


His asinine comments of the past compared to modern day events.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Logarock


He brings up Jim Crow and the south in light of southern christian ideas but says nothing about all those northern christain men that died in the civil war.


He's just reminding everyone that Christianity has had it's darker past too. Crusades. Burning witches just a few hundred years ago. Blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors just a couple years ago. Calling to exterminate gays, like 20 minutes ago. But we don't go and arrest and imprison every christian because one of them blew up a clinic.

That is what he is asking the christians who want all muslims exterminated now. He's showing the hypocrisy of a bunch of Christians calling for the extermination of Islam when many of the actions on both sides have and/or are the same.


Threads like these are really demonstrative of how some minds work. That or trolls.

Who is calling for the extermination of Islam? Those that are calling for ISIS to be put in check?

ISIS is driving people in mass from their homes and towns, killing in mass over a large geographical area.

Hay but lets look at the Sectarian wars in Iraq for a good look at Islam at its core. Car bombings left and right in shopping malls, worship services, marriages ect. 1000s killed, maimed ect. They do more business in one day than a century of christian nut jobs. There is no equivalent in modern times to Islamic violence. Christian extremists cant even pick up Islam's jock strap. Cant even be measured in any real way with Muslim violence.




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