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Obama uses National Prayer Breakfast to defend Islam and criticize Christianity

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 10:39 AM
First he's a Muslim, then he's a Communist (which assumes Atheism) ...

It's an ECUMENICAL breakfast. Notice the Dalai Lama there? Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, probably a Sikh or two.

Did Christians commit atrocities in the Crusades or in the Inquisition? If they did, Obama is merely stating fact.

Like the facts he specifically stated about those misappropriating Islam, Hinduism, et. al.

Read the speech.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 05:37 PM
Bill Warner, PhD: Jihad vs Crusades

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 05:47 PM
a reply to: Stormdancer777

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 06:27 PM
Wow, stunning graphic!

I guess that's why they call that period "The Muslim Conquest."

No one that I know of has ever stated that there weren't (or aren't) political battles that took place.

Conveniently, your bud up there ignored some other interesting facts, and some important comparisons were left out.

When the Muslims took Jerusalem in the 630s, they stopped the Europeans (Byzantines) from killing the Jewish remnant population in the city, and established ways for the Jews to freely worship again, as they were "People of the Book."

When the Crusaders took Jerusalem in 1099, they slaughtered virtually everyone in the city, Muslim, Jew, man woman and child, and by murdered I mean raped, tortured and

Do you see a difference there?

Those dots are fascinating aren't they? I wonder what would happen if you simultaneously tracked all the Christian battles in Europe that were fighting for territory as well? Christian against Christian, as it were?

Dr. Bill also states, on his website, that he is not an Arabic scholar, is not a literary specialist, that he has had no training in Islamic thought or philosophy, had talked with no, you know, actual Muslims about Islam, but has made all his conclusions based on his own analysis of the Koran, the Hadith, etc. And now, he suggests that anyone who disagrees with his "analysis" is either lying or a Muslim-lover.

Nice tight logical circle, there, huh?

This process is not unlike someone in India slamming the English text of the Bible into Google Translate and then taking the result as "scientific evidence."

But, if it fits the agenda, back it up!

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 06:50 PM
Tamerlane - Timur the Lame

His military conquests saw him conquer land that comprises the modern day countries of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, large parts of Turkey and Syria, and the north-western portion of India (Delhi).
It is estimated that his armies killed 17 million people, which was about 5% of the global population at the time.
He referred to himself as the `Sword of Islam’ and converted much of his empire to the religion. This included Genghis Khan’s descendents, the Borjigin clan.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 06:59 PM
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Christian Attrocities During the Crusades (from Christian Sources) Crusades (1095-1291)

First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]

Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]

9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]

Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]

Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]

Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]

Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]

(In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")

The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]

Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]

Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]

Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]

Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.

Source - Christian Attrocities in their Own Words

Maybe Dr. Bill can put that in a graphic, oh wait, he doesn't have to rely on actual HISTORY, does he?


posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:02 PM

The Armenian Genocide[7] (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն Hayots Tseghaspanutyun),[8] also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally by Armenians, as Medz Yeghern (Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, "Great Crime"),[9] was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects from their historic homeland within the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day Ottoman authorities rounded up and arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labour, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre.[10][11][12] The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million. Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy.[13][14][15] The majority of Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:07 PM
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Ran out of interest in the Crusades, did you?

Can't blame you for that, it's a bloody mess. Disgusting.

What have we got now? The Turkish genocide of the Armenians?

Yep, that's disgusting too.

Humans are vicious creatures.

What's your point? Are you still working on proof that Mr. Obama was incorrect in his speech? Do the actions of the Ottoman Empire 700-800 years later change the Crusades somehow? Or the Christian slaughter?

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:08 PM

Two exceptional books on the Armenian Genocide, "Genocide of Armenians through Swedish Eyes" by Goran Gunner and "Ravished Armenia: The real life story of Aurora Mardiganian" are among new releases, as Armenians worldwide commemorate the 98th anniversary of Armenian Genocide. The books have been published with Ameria Groupís support in eternal memory of the souls lost in the Armenian Genocide.

The presentation of the books by Hayk Demoyan, the Armenian Genocide Museum-Institute Director, was followed by a screening of a piece from the first Hollywood film on Armenian Genocide called Ravished Armenia. The film has been later renamed to The Auction of Souls.

In 1918, sixteen year-old Arshalouys Aurora Mardiganian, a survivor and eyewitness of the Armenian Genocide, showed the world the ugliness and horror of genocide through her memoirs, followed by a silent film. The story of Aurora-a girl from Chmshkatsag, an Armenian populated town in the Ottoman Empire, gave an accurate and detailed account of her terrible experiences during the Genocide. Aurora played herself in the film The Auction of Souls. Ambassador Henry Morgenthau played himself as the American Ambassador to Turkey, and famous film stars Irving Cummings and Anna Q. Nilsson were given major roles in the film.
Only a piece of "The Auction of Souls" has been saved and now it is available on DVD with the new release of "Ravished Armenia: The real life story of Aurora Mardiganian."
Today Auroraís story still needs to be told. The new releases will be available for sale on amazon soon. All the proceeds will be donated to the Armenian Genocide Museum-Institute and Genocide recognition cause

Auction of Souls

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:12 PM
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Ah. You have no point.

Just postin' Youtube "evidence."

Let me see if I can make this easier for you.

Mr. Obama made reference in his speech to every religion falling far short of its ideals.

He did not exclude Islam.

He did not exclude Christianity.

He did not exclude Hinduism.

There have been no big Buddhist massacres that I know of ... perhaps that's because Buddhism is basically atheist.

Slaughter is slaughter and when done in the name of a "god" it's all the more stupid.

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:34 PM
twenty-first century silent jihad

“There is broad bipartisan agreement that America is at risk,” declared former House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Pete Hoekstra via video at the March 6, 2014, National Security Action Summit (NSAS). The “silent jihad” of Muslim Brotherhood (MB) affiliated groups described by Hoekstra at National Harbor’s Westin Hotel across the Potomac River from Washington, DC, should alarm all Americans.

Congressman Pete Hoekstra, former chairman of the Select Committee on Intellegence
Congressman Pete Hoekstra, former chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence
In comparison to the “violent jihad” of groups like Al Qaeda, the MB “strategy is very, very different,” Hoekstra explained during the panel “The Muslim Brotherhood, the ‘Civilization Jihad’ and Its Enablers.” MB groups “are going to use our laws, our customs…our freedom of speech, the values we profess…to become a cancer” in the United States. MB supporters would seek “initially a tolerance of sharia law” that “begins the process of establishing of Islamism,” a process evident in certain European neighborhoods where sharia has become “de facto law.” “Never forget the phrase: The enemy of my enemy is my friend,” Hoekstra added when discussing cooperation across intra-Muslim sectarian divides such as between a Sunni Al Qaeda and a Shiite Islamic Republic of Iran. “They ultimately share the same objective: the destruction of the West.

“narrative control” Mr. Obama, and his Muslim Brotherhood

the OIC will stifle speech critical of Islam.

Subverting rule of law through “narrative control” is central to Islamist groups such as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), an international grouping of 57 (including “Palestine”) mostly majority-Muslim states. “If you do not control the narrative, no matter what position you take, you will lose.” In particular, “he who controls the First Amendment…controls the Constitution,” Coughlin warned in discussing the OIC’s 2005 Ten-Year Strategic Action Plan with its call for “Combating Islamophobia” via censorship. The OIC would seek to interpret the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights’ Article 20 ban on incitement as prohibiting speech to which recipients react violently. This is the “battered wife syndrome” of “if you say that, I am going to have to beat you up”

“Under the guise of sensitive speech” and other terms, anti-sharia activist Deborah Weiss elaborated, the OIC will stifle speech critical of Islam. “Anything that is critical of Islam…will be deemed incitement” by the OIC, which “holds itself out as a moderate” but is actually an “Islamic supremacist organization.” The 2005-6 Danish Muhammad cartoon riots exemplified how the OIC would attribute speech’s violent consequences to speakers, not perpetrators. Discussing jihadist child murders will bring an accusation of “Islamophobia” as a “crime against humanity” from individuals like Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Weiss explained at a subsequent event.

“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008

“We are going to have to change our conversation; we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history; we’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation.” — Michelle Obama, May 14, 2008

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posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:40 PM
a reply to: Stormdancer777

DId you read the text of Mr. Obama's speech at the National Prayer Breakfast Stormdancer?

Yes or no. Did you read the speech?

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:49 PM
You know the thing about the Crusades. They were war, and war is never innocent for either side. But go ahead and continue telling yourself that the Muslims were somehow innocent and never killed anyone or perpetrated any atrocities.

You ought to ask the resident Hindu population of India how the Muslims have treated them over the years.

Muslims inspired the largest incident of mass immolation? What an achievement.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:50 PM
a reply to: Stormdancer777

At this point all you're doing is vomiting a bunch of paranoid quoted text from Conservative Christian websites as if there is some gem of knowledge there.

In all honesty, I don't know if you have issues or not but you're starting to sound like a paranoid schizophrenic or something. You've gone from taking statements from Obama's speech way out of context or just completely turning it's meaning in reverse to making wild connections of a grand master plot by Islamic Super villains who are planning on taking over Western society. I think you really need to get a grip on yourself. I don't say that to be mean either. I'm saying it because if you actually believe in even half of the stuff you post here you must be living a life of unbelievable fear.

I think you should take a step back, take some deep breaths and get some perspective on things a little.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:56 PM
No one here has said that war isn't filled with casualties.

No one here has claimed that Islam is innocent. (Particularly, not the President in his speech, in fact, he said THE OPPOSITE).

Wouldn't it be great if we could have conversations here based on what each other actually SAYS, instead of having words continually put in our mouths? Being told what we're saying, what we believe and think?

I think that would be great.

That there is violence done, in the name of religions, ALL RELIGIONS, was President Obama's point.

Read. The. Speech.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 07:57 PM

originally posted by: ketsuko
You know the thing about the Crusades. They were war, and war is never innocent for either side. But go ahead and continue telling yourself that the Muslims were somehow innocent and never killed anyone or perpetrated any atrocities.

It's like talking to a wall with your guys, you know that.

Over and over again in this thread it's been explained that NOBODY not obama or anyone else in here has given muslims an excuse or a pass on the killing they've done. I even quoted that part of his speech where he talks about it. But you just go right back to the same false argument again.

I don't think you even read anything anyone is saying because you keep having the same incorrect argument over and over that nobody but you can follow because it's not valid.

Nobody said Muslims are innocent. In fact to quote you: "They were war, and war is never innocent for either side."
That's right. Nobody on either side is innocent. That is exactly what he said in his speech. You are in total agreement and yet you still argue as if that isn't the very same thing he is saying in his speech. Did you read or listen to what he said or not??

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:02 PM
the Muslims destroyed largest library in the world it was in India, Nalanda

What are the facts or mindblowing facts of Nalanda University?

For over 800 years NU was one of the best universities in the world. Students from across the globe came here to study in one of the greatest libraries in the world. Before it was destroyed scholars and teachers from places as far as Korea, Japan, Persia, Tibet, China, Greece, and Greater Iran were part of the University. The notable scholars who studied in NU included Harshavardhana, Vasubandhu, Dharmapal, Suvishnu, Asanga, Dharmakirti, Shantarakhsita, Nagarjuna, Aryadeva, Padmasambhava, Xuanzang and Hwui Li.

According to the records Nalanda University was destroyed three times by invaders, but rebuilt only twice. The first destruction was caused by the Huns under Mihirakula during the reign of Skandagupta (455–467 AD). But Skanda’s successors restored the library and improved it with an even bigger building.
The second destruction came in the early 7th century by the Gaudas. This time, the Buddhist king Harshavardhana (606–648 AD) restored the university.
The third and most destructive attack came when the ancient Nalanda University was destroyed by the Muslim army led by the Turkish leader Bakhtiyar Khilji in 1193. It is believed that Buddhism as a major religion in India had a setback for hundreds of years due to the loss of the religious texts during the attack. And, since then, the NU has not been restored until the recent developments.

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:05 PM
a reply to: mOjOm

But he had to reach back to the Crusades in order to draw his moral equivalence.

It also gave off the distinct stench of someone who felt like we were on the threshold of declaring another Crusade. Well he would know as he's the CIC!

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:08 PM
a reply to: Stormdancer777

You're still doing it. None of that is relevant to this conversation. You just keep pointing out a bunch of stuff Muslim's have done in history. Ok, so what. What's your point??? That crazy muslims sometimes kill people??? Fine. Nobody is arguing against that. In fact, once again, the topic is based broadly on the fact that ALL RELIGIONS have done it. That is the whole point. They all have done it. Muslim, christian, etc. ALL OF THEM!!

So what is your point???

posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 08:11 PM

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: mOjOm

But he had to reach back to the Crusades in order to draw his moral equivalence.

It also gave off the distinct stench of someone who felt like we were on the threshold of declaring another Crusade. Well he would know as he's the CIC!

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. If you would please quote and identify exactly where in his speech you are talking about and explain how and why you got impression that he was attacking christians and protecting islam.

Also explain to me what C!C! means??

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