Israeli Captain "Right to shoot 13 yr old Girl"

devilwasp and anyone else who thinks the solider was in the right
i am curious if a child that is in your family or related to u was shot

would you

1. expect the child to be given lifesaving treatment and atempt to save his/her life.

2. put a few rounds in the childs head to ease the pain?

devilwasp:

You think he didnt look and see that she was shot and dieing?
PS, have you had first aid training?

No, nowhere in the article did it say they went to check on her status. They went to finish her off.

And yes, I do have first aid training. What's your point? Do IDF soldiers have first aid training? Do they know what to do to treat a gunshot?

It doesnt matter if she's alive or not at the time, if she was mortally wounded theres bugger all you can do about it.
Why? Because the human body, while strong and amazing...is fragile

Nowhere in the article does it say she was mortally wounded. They shot her then moved forward to administer the killing blow. To pump some rounds into her fallen 13 year old body, lying in the dirt.

Maybe writhing, bleeding, crying, begging for her life, asking for her mother. Maybe just blinking wetly like a scared deer.

Again, I am astounded by the lack of basic human compassion some of you have.

And you know what, if you have none, you deserve none.

jako

Originally posted by bodrul
devilwasp and anyone else who thinks the solider was in the right
i am curious if a child that is in your family or related to u was shot

I never stated he was right or wrong.
I am asking the quesiton....

would you

1. expect the child to be given lifesaving treatment and atempt to save his/her life.

2. put a few rounds in the childs head to ease the pain?

That depends...frankly I know the dammage a BB pellet will do to the human body and I know the dammage a 5.56 and 7.62 mm rounds will do to a paper target...I can only imagine what it will be like..

Originally posted by Jakomo
No, nowhere in the article did it say they went to check on her status. They went to finish her off.

And no where did it state they didnt.
He went out to "confirm the kill" , that means many things.
Bodysearching, first aid, intelligence gathering and double checking what the soldiers that fired said they saw was correct.

And yes, I do have first aid training. What's your point? Do IDF soldiers have first aid training? Do they know what to do to treat a gunshot?

My point is this, will you save someone who has a gunshot wound to the stomach? To the lungs? To the head?
The chances are very little...

Nowhere in the article does it say she was mortally wounded. They shot her then moved forward to administer the killing blow. To pump some rounds into her fallen 13 year old body, lying in the dirt.

Yes and no where does it state she WASNT mortally wounded does it?
They shot her then moved in to look what happened...does it state anywhere that they specifically went into to shoot her more?

Maybe writhing, bleeding, crying, begging for her life, asking for her mother. Maybe just blinking wetly like a scared deer.

So if a child is lieing there dieing because she was hit by a 30 mile per hour death machine because the driver hit her, does that mean the driver was a murderer?

Again, I am astounded by the lack of basic human compassion some of you have.

Lack of human compassion?
Do you think I honuestly think what the soldier done was right? You honuestly think I would have done the same?

And you know what, if you have none, you deserve none.

Then I take it you hate hammas then?

originally posted by: stumason
This is sick, they have a taped conversation between the Captain, a Watchtower and the Command Post, and the Captain in question (who not only killed a 13yr old girl) ordered his men to "Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed"...

That is sick, and what makes it worse is that the Israeli Army has only filed minor charges against him!

The tape recording is of a three-way conversation between the army watchtower, the army post's operations room and the captain, who was a company commander.

The soldier in the watchtower radioed his colleagues after he saw Iman: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."

Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot in the leg from one of the army posts.

The watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."

The company commander then moves in as Iman lies wounded and helpless.

Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Guardian News Story



[edit on 15/12/04 by stumason]

war crimes happened everytime there's a war / conflict.. in this case it just showed the reality that Israeli soldiers are human just like the rest of us.. that said, this was sick , IDF should filter their conscripts to avoid enlisting such maniac in their military. Nothing good will come to Israel as a whole , this just fits the propaganda from israel's enemy (which also will use this tragedy to point finger at israel).

best way is for IDF to come clean and stop killing civilians , stop justifying it as 'collateral damage' or 'unintentional deaths'..

as for hamas, well they are the ones who should protect the people, not using the innocents for bait or shield or even for weapon..

this what happened when humanity is lost ... even now some commenter debate political and tactics while forgetting their basic conscience and humanity in their heart.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I find it odd that a 13 year old muslim girl would mistakenly wander into a dead zone where there are no other people, let alone no male relative to escort her.

considering this conflict is taking place in an area that is what, say, 50 clicks long by 11 clicks wide much of which has been now destroyed by heavy weapons fire and a large portion of the population is under the age of 18. Also considering being in a war zone during this type of engagement breeds confusion it is highly likely in fact more than likely this child was lost and trying to make her way to safety when she was allegedly murdered.