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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Bedlam
Look, Smee, you're not getting it right, and I don't want to explain it again. I don't want to have to continue repeating myself over and over and over, on this thread and others.
But in this thread, I'm discussing measles.
If you can't understand that, there's nothing more I can do for you.
ETA: "Hook" is one of my favorite Robin Williams movies.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: westcoast
Honestly, the problem with this, is that it's hard to find. Sure...you can look at this: CDC page on side effect rates
BUT...if we're honest about it, no matter which side of the fence we fall on, we KNOW that not nearly all of the reactions are reported. I know this first-hand, because my son nearly died from it, but wasn't reported as an adverse reaction because it wasn't even a known reaction for almost two years AFTER it happened.
The problem is, it gets anecdotal. The non-anecdotal evidence is that the vaccines aren't very dangerous. Grant you, out of a large population of people you'll get awful side-effects with aspirin with a few people. And some vaccines are rough, the smallpox vaccine is awful.
If you look on the document I linked, under the MMRV vaccine, you'll see in the 1 in 40,000 with a severe bleeding disorder) My son almost bled to death at 1 1/2 yrs old. At the time, I researched the heck out of it, because no one knew why it happened, just the the mucus lining in his stomach and upper intestines bled and only vitamin K stopped it. I was told by children's hospital, that they averaged (at the time, about 18 yrs ago) 6 similar cases a year, all around the same age with the same symptoms with unknown causes. Of course, there is NO way to know for sure if these are/were being caused by the MMR, but I believe there are/were.
Now. If vitamin K stopped it, then it was NOT the MMR. If you look at the document, you will see that the adverse event was a low platelet count. Vitamin K does not correct for low platelet count. So if your child was bleeding due to thrombocytopenia, vitamin K would not have reversed it, and he would have continued to bleed. Vitamin K is given for accidental coumadin consumption or K deficiency. A lot of kids are vitamin K deficient anyway, all infants are K deficient until they start on solid food.
It's cases like this...ones that are suspected, but not reported that really, really bother me as a parent. I almost lost my child because of it.
Fear not, if K fixed it, it wasn't the MMR.
You REALLY want to debate this issue? Then how about we talk about TRUTHS and the realities of BOTH the good and the bad when it comes to vaccines. Let's not blanket it all in the stupid, tote-the-line attitude of anti-vaccine hate propaganda?
Point out the hate propaganda part.
originally posted by: ISawItFirst
originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
You do not have the right to infect me.
How could they. Aren't you vaxxed? How are all the vaxxed people worried about getting sick from UN vaxxed people? Unless... the vaccine don't work.