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"Hitler Tamed By Prison" - The New York Times, December 21, 1924

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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

I was replying to Superluminal 11



Be interesting to see what sort of street theater you have in store for me tomorrow.


The lyrics to Carnival came to mind


Have I been Hypnotized Mesmerized By what my eyes have found In that great street carnival


The video for the song Carnival, directed by Melodie McDaniel, shows scenes of Merchant walking the streets of New York City taking street photographs with a Leica M3.

They stopped making the M3 after the WTC was built.



Looks like they replaced the sock puppets in the video with a Surreal police officer.



I still don't know what the Japanese think that is.





posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 09:34 PM
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This reminds me of an article G.K. Chesterton wrote in 1908 in the New Age Magazine titled "Why I am Not a Socialist" that I read recently. Only in Chesterton's case he was correct in all of his assumptions regarding things like socialism, Manchester industrialization, and eugenics. Historical outcomes vindicate him while the same elites push for the same agendas.

The article in the OP reminds me of the naive positivity the deniers and debunkers on this site possess.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 12:25 AM
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originally posted by: skunkape23
Prison does not tame anyone.
I makes them more cunning and desensitized to violence.
I dont want to stick up for bad guys (and there are plenty in the ole hooskow) but I did 3 and a half years myself for non violent crimes. I learned how to work for my keep (at 25 cents an hour) how to respect others and their property (a lesson desperately needed) and actually learned I was capable of doing things. I even got my high school diploma. I have never stolen a thing since. On the same token I now have an uncanny knack for spotting anyone trying to fleece me, sometimes even before they begin plotting. But those that have already tasted blood or are socio-pathic, there is rarely any coming back to live normal lives in the real world. I learned much in there, both good and bad, I choose to use the good lessons but God help anyone who forces the lizard side of my brain to resurface. Just giving a different perspective. Dont shoot the messenger.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: Aleister
I wonder if he took the "prison shower" route while in stir. If so that may have shoved him into more anger and thinking the world betrayed him. It may have been done, but someone should do a movie about Hitler's time in prison. Kind of like "Oz", but with real Aryans and non-aquarium cells.
"Oz" is a T.V. show. People arent getting raped all willy nilly and stuff. Maybe equal to the rapes on any college campus but generally if it happens to you in prison, you did something to earn it, like borrow money and not pay your debt or disrespect somebody you should have been smart enuff to avoid. Sounds like someone saw "American Me" a few too many times. As for Hitler, he was probably a celebrity and got treated about like Lindsay Lohan did in our present time or Martha Stewart.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: greencmp

"Peace in our time"


Everybody seems to love trashing Chamberlain nowadays but back then he tried to give the people what they wanted. It wasn't his fault WW2 started and if were around back then we probably would have applauded his efforts as well. Were it not for their mutual defense pact with Poland England and France might not have even entered WW2, we simply don't know.
[snipped]


I have to disagree. England & France did NOT enter WWII because of their mutual defense pact with Poland.

Germany & the Soviet Union simultaneously invaded Poland on 1 Sept 1939. England & France did declare war on Germany when Germany refused to back down. But England & France did next to nothing to help Poland. So little in fact that it was called a "Phoney War."

In April 1940, Germany invaded Norway.

In May 1940, Germany invaded the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.

26 May - 4 June 1940 Dunkirk, France, British troops evacuated. France folded quickly.

On 7 Sept 1940, Germany started bombing 16 British cities, the most famous consecutive bombing known as the "London Blitz."

My point is that England & France did not enter WWII in earnest until they were attacked.

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: superluminal11
a reply to: xuenchen

Most people (about 98% of you) cannot fathom Zionists killing 6 million of their own people to forward an almost full proof agenda.
No mystery, they are ashkeNAZI$ and Khazar$

No my$tery they gave the movie Jupiter Ascending 3 stars. Its just science fiction right?
$nakes with Wing$



Totally can understand why NSA parked their planet so close to the ATS planet.
STARWARS

Be interesting to see what sort of street theater you have in store for me tomorrow.



Sssshhhh .... they're watching.

I forgot to add: the real number of Jews killed in the Holocaust is probably closer to 2-3 million.

The six million figure was inflated by bad estimates from the Soviets. Most of death camps (as opposed to concentration camps) were built in Poland which were "liberated" by the Soviets. The West was not getting accurate numbers from the Russians until after the Berlin Wall came down.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: LiveForever8

Just gave you a S&F for a fascinating find.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:23 AM
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originally posted by: JiggyPotamus
You have to realize that the political climate in Germany at that time was pretty nasty. Hitler's attempt to overthrow the existing government was just one of multiple attempts. There is interesting history during this period, and a student of history can see how Hitler's beliefs were to some extent shaped by the situation in Germany at that time. Numerous citizens wanted a repudiation of the Versailles Treaty, which is partly why there were so many willing supporters of altering the existing government. Although there was not as much animosity after 1924, and when Hitler got out of Landsberg the political situation was not as rife for manipulation. There was also a whole lot of blaming the Jewish community for Germany's defeat, and anti-Semitism was not something unique to the Nazi Party at that time. Anyway, there were multiple revolts against the government. The Kapp Putsch, led by Erhardt, took place at the same time as another right-wing coup led by Gustav von Kahr, but the latter actually succeeded. Hitler hated the trade unions from his experiences with them during these years.The interesting part is that Hitler was imprisoned for his failed 1923 putsch, but after he came to power he actually had Kahr executed, in 1934, because he viewed him as being responsible for the failure of his coup.

As far as Hitler being released from prison he was pardoned after serving about a year of a five year sentence. His time in prison was not bad at all however, and there was not really anything done there to "reform" him. He was still doing the same old wheeling-and-dealing with his party members, as his communications were not cut off. I think he was definitely more determined after coming out of prison, which may have been mistaken for some other feelings. People think Hitler was a madman, but in fact he was sane. His actions during the early years show a keen sense of awareness. I think he became progressively worse as time went on, mainly due to two factors: first, his rampant drug abuse. Most people do not realize just how hooked he was on narcotics, to the point that he literally could not live without his personal physician, a quack named Morell, who unbeknownst to Hitler pumped him full of "Vitamultin," which contained crazy and harmful compounds. The other main factor was, possibly, Parkinson's Disease, possibly syphilis, or at the very least some physical disease. I think that his bad decision-making in military and political affairs was mainly due to these factors. The illegal substances alone gave him a feeling of invincibility, and his decisions became less and less militarily viable. At least in my personal opinion. He was not this way after coming to power, and was in my opinion starting to show signs of this at the start of the war. His failure in Barbarossa was most definitely due to a lack of decisive decision making, and wishful thinking, as an example. He was not a good military thinker, which is evidenced by his blatant disregard for the most basic elements of military strategy. As an example, his decision to split his forces when they were on the verge of capturing Moscow violated the principal of mass. And it was the inability to capture Moscow by Germany that led to soldiers being caught in the harshness of the especially bitter Russian winter of that year, which essentially destroyed what combat power they had. If I remember correctly there were hundreds of thousands of cases of frostbite in the German army at that time. The soldiers were still in their summer uniforms, because Hitler expected them to be in Moscow already. They should have been, and would have been had he not been making the decisions.

Anyway, I just wanted to correct the view that Hitler was a crazy person. Evil, yes; crazy, no. What I have always wondered was just how much his drug use affected the outcome of the war. I even wonder if Barbarossa would have occurred, or succeeded if he did go through with it, had he not been on so many mind-altering substances. And his extermination of the Jews, as hard as it might be to believe, was not really the act of a crazy man. He just really believed the crap and hate he taught to the nation. One doesn't have to be crazy to be evil. But again, if he was crazy this was not brought about until after the start of the war, and was likely due to some external cause.


I don't think Hitler was crazy. I think his Dr. Feelgood (Morell) was feeding him amphetamines (speed) so he could stay awake, but this drug abuse really started in the late 1930's with WWII. Speed eventually destroys the liver, kidneys, and central nervous system. It also destroys judgment. The manic highs, paranoia, and frothing at the mouth rages are also explained by speed.

Read about Dr. Morell maybe 25 years ago. May still have that book somewhere.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:18 AM
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a reply to: LiveForever8
Wow, so I am not the only one that had that topic pop to mind right away. It's been a while since I thought about that thread.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:49 AM
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originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: rebelv

You know. I've never read it. Maybe I should I guess. I was reading On the Road and Naked Lunch when it was hip in highschool to read Mein Kampf.

It seems like it would be a bore. Does he do any chapters on water colors?


So we know what you were into in high school.

I had to go find my copy of Mein Kampf. Part 1 of the book (370 pages), is about Hitler's personal experiences.
There were no chapters on water colors.

Actually, Hitler was a talented artist when it came to inanimate objects: still life subjects, landscapes, buildings.
He could not draw people well. They were so distorted, as if he could not see people. But I digress.

Part 1 is the most interesting section where he explains the origin of his hatred of Jews.

Part 2 (the other 318 pages) deals with "The National Socialist Movement." It's drier, but still interesting in that you get some idea of how he saw things. He had a rabid hatred of Jews. His ideas of race and Eugenics were straightforward. Hitler did not worry about being "politically correct."

There's no doubt that Mein Kampf was ghostwritten by Rudolf Hess.

All in all, I consider "Mein Kampf" to be one of the most important books of the 20th century.

But then I believe the Nazis are alive & well in the world, and operating covertly.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: AuranVector
He could not draw people well. They were so distorted, as if he could not see people.


This is actually a more interesting comment than one might first think.

It could almost be used as a short bio of the man himself.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: Echtelion
a reply to: LiveForever8

Ahhh the New York Times, they never changed. From infatuating bloody fascists in the '20s, to infatuating Saudi dictators who behead their subjects, and also Ukrainian neonazis. So much for their "liberal" image...



Politics is a circle my friend. Go far enough left, you end up next to the extreme right, just wearing different colors.


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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: AuranVector

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: greencmp

"Peace in our time"


Everybody seems to love trashing Chamberlain nowadays but back then he tried to give the people what they wanted. It wasn't his fault WW2 started and if were around back then we probably would have applauded his efforts as well. Were it not for their mutual defense pact with Poland England and France might not have even entered WW2, we simply don't know.
[snipped]



I have to disagree. England & France did NOT enter WWII because of their mutual defense pact with Poland.

Germany & the Soviet Union simultaneously invaded Poland on 1 Sept 1939. England & France did declare war on Germany when Germany refused to back down. But England & France did next to nothing to help Poland. So little in fact that it was called a "Phoney War."

In April 1940, Germany invaded Norway.

In May 1940, Germany invaded the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.

26 May - 4 June 1940 Dunkirk, France, British troops evacuated. France folded quickly.

On 7 Sept 1940, Germany started bombing 16 British cities, the most famous consecutive bombing known as the "London Blitz."

My point is that England & France did not enter WWII in earnest until they were attacked.


You fail to mention that Britain had been bombing German cities for three months before Hitler finally responded in turn. Until then he was only targeting military installations. He hoped Churchill would stop but he did not. Hitler did NOT want to bomb civilians.


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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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Yes, Hitler lifted much weights in prison and came out "two toned" No, seriously, it is well known that many wars have been "engineered" from the Iraq War, to Vietnam, to the Spanish-American war, heck there is even considerable evidence that 9/11 itself was a false flag attack for all sorts of baloney reasons. So it isn't too difficult to believe that WW2 was also "engineered" or at least allowed to happen.

For most of us who used to believe in the U.S. government, these last couple of years have revealed that we are in control of far less than we thought. Not to mention that much of our history has also be manipulated.

Several presidents have commented about powers above themselves, powers so complete and total that many fear criticizing it:

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson

Here is the link to the above comment:

Woodrow Wilson Comment

What I find so amazing is that people are so willing to go along with these "interlocking powers"
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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Nothing is more judgmental than hindsight. Bet those historians in the future will laugh at the crowds with "change" signs and Afro-Americans crying when Obama won his first election. How change has come to America... Can't blame them though, but time seems to have a way of making "utopias" fall to pieces...



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 08:04 PM
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It's funny how NYT had an article on Hitler way before he was even famous or relevant. Apart of a plot perhaps?



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: johnnyBgood

originally posted by: AuranVector

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: greencmp

"Peace in our time"


Everybody seems to love trashing Chamberlain nowadays but back then he tried to give the people what they wanted. It wasn't his fault WW2 started and if were around back then we probably would have applauded his efforts as well. Were it not for their mutual defense pact with Poland England and France might not have even entered WW2, we simply don't know.
[snipped]



I have to disagree. England & France did NOT enter WWII because of their mutual defense pact with Poland.

Germany & the Soviet Union simultaneously invaded Poland on 1 Sept 1939. England & France did declare war on Germany when Germany refused to back down. But England & France did next to nothing to help Poland. So little in fact that it was called a "Phoney War."

In April 1940, Germany invaded Norway.

In May 1940, Germany invaded the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.

26 May - 4 June 1940 Dunkirk, France, British troops evacuated. France folded quickly.

On 7 Sept 1940, Germany started bombing 16 British cities, the most famous consecutive bombing known as the "London Blitz."

My point is that England & France did not enter WWII in earnest until they were attacked.


You fail to mention that Britain had been bombing German cities for three months before Hitler finally responded in turn. Until then he was only targeting military installations. He hoped Churchill would stop but he did not. Hitler did NOT want to bomb civilians.



"My point is that England & France did not enter WWII in earnest until they were attacked."

I stand by that.

England & France declared war on Germany 3 Sept 1939. The British sent an "expeditionary force" (BEF) into France just in case real war broke out.

On 4 Sept 1939 RAF bombers were sent to Wilhelmshaven, but were chased off by German fighters.

Poland fell quickly between the German and Soviet forces. By 6 Oct 1939 the invasion was over. The surviving Polish forces evacuated into Romania. Eventually, some would make it to England to fight as part of the Allied forces.

England & France saw no point in sending anything into Poland.

The RAF tried again on 18 Dec 1939 to bomb Heligoland, but were unsuccessful. What can I say, the Luftwaffe was good.

So between that date and May 1940, there was nothing -- a "Phoney War."

On 10 May 1940, the Germans invaded the Netherlands, Belgium. Luxembourg, and France.

The Germans bombed Rotterdam, Netherlands.

On 15 May 1940, the RAF began bombing the highly industrialized Ruhr area (Dortmund, Essen, Duisburg, Dusseldorf, Wuppertal, etc.) of Germany.

Between 26 May and 4 June 1940, at Dunkirk (France), the British decided to evacuate their BEF, along with some Belgian and French troops.

14 June 1940, the German troops enter Paris.

By 18 June 1940, France fell after less than two months of fighting.

22 June 1940, France signs an armistice with Germany.

7 Sept 1940, Germany begins bombing England.

It's true Hitler did not want to war with England. He considered them to be cultural & linguistic cousins.

Neither England nor France (only 21 years after the incredible losses of the "Great War" [WWI]) wanted war. They only fought back in earnest when Western Europe was attacked by Germany.

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: LiveForever8

originally posted by: AuranVector
He could not draw people well. They were so distorted, as if he could not see people.


This is actually a more interesting comment than one might first think.

It could almost be used as a short bio of the man himself.



"He could not draw people well. They were so distorted, as if he could not see people."

I'm glad you picked up on that.




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