The 3rd Anti-Christ THE ULTIMATE LOGIC BENDER

a reply to: ViciLaw

Here are my thoughts on the subject: When you are a parent you know your children very well. You usually know when they are going to make bad choices and make mistakes but you do not always prevent them from doing so. Why? Because the greatest and most memorable lessons in life come as a result of making those bad choices and mistakes and from those a better person emerges. Even if you try to explain the consequences of their actions before hand they will still do those things- they are determined to experience them for themselves. Now try to see God as parent to the human and angelic races. He knows you are going to make bad choices but he gives you free reign to make your mistakes and learn from them. Sometimes your mistakes hurt others but because he gives you free will it is ultimately you who are responsible for your actions- not He. If you choose to do evil it is entirely on you.

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

This is exactly why we call God our Heavenly Father. I like your explanation.

originally posted by: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk
a reply to: ViciLaw

Here are my thoughts on the subject: When you are a parent you know your children very well. You usually know when they are going to make bad choices and make mistakes but you do not always prevent them from doing so. Why? Because the greatest and most memorable lessons in life come as a result of making those bad choices and mistakes and from those a better person emerges. Even if you try to explain the consequences of their actions before hand they will still do those things- they are determined to experience them for themselves. Now try to see God as parent to the human and angelic races. He knows you are going to make bad choices but he gives you free reign to make your mistakes and learn from them. Sometimes your mistakes hurt others but because he gives you free will it is ultimately you who are responsible for your actions- not He. If you choose to do evil it is entirely on you.

Wo wo wo... hang on there! So if someone goes and shoots up a bunch of people in a school or a mall. God already knew about it before it even happens? No offense it seems a bit of a sadistic entrapment of freewill. All these illnesses are some lesson? Seems a bit of a dick lesson if you ask me, how can you worship someone that creates such things

a reply to: ViciLaw



The fact that you can even make your argument more or less proves there must be a God.

originally posted by: ViciLaw


Wo wo wo... hang on there! So if someone goes and shoots up a bunch of people in a school or a mall. God already knew about it before it even happens? No offense it seems a bit of a sadistic entrapment of freewill. All these illnesses are some lesson? Seems a bit of a dick lesson if you ask me, how can you worship someone that creates such things

Now that is simply ridiculous! It just sounds like you have a grudge against God and aren't willing to hear anyone's opinion but your own. You want someone to agree with your anger and blame. We were given this life to make what we will of it. Do you expect God, aliens or anyone else to drop down from the sky and personally avert every problem that exists in the world? We were given brains to think with- we could create cures to every disease but instead we invent new video games. We could live in peace and without crime but instead we hurt each other. We have free will to do what we choose and yet instead of trying to build a better world we gripe and moan on internet message boards. You were given a life and a brain; what are you using it for?

a reply to: ViciLaw

Please excuse my ignorance, but who were the first two 'Anti-Christ's'?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So I take it you either don't know or you don't want to divulge the information?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ViciLaw

Please excuse my ignorance, but who were the first two 'Anti-Christ's'?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So I take it you either don't know or you don't want to divulge the information?

Well by histories sake I have to say Hitler and Napoleon. Even though the first ever such candidate was also Alexander who committed a Genocide during one of his campaigns.

originally posted by: Abednego
We as a creation of God (made like him), can do both good and evil. That doesn't mean He is evil, means that He can choose what to be. The same happen to us, we choose a side. So everything in the creation has the ability to choose between good or evil.

Free will.

Free will LOL. Do the characters playing out a movie on a DVD have free will? No. I'd really like someone to prove we have free will. I know we don't, I'd just like to see a bunch of people knock themselves out trying LOL.

The problem is that we exist inside a "system" of reality/virtual reality. Because we are within that system, we cannot view it properly and see what is really going on, as an outside observer. With all the advances in science indicating that the brain is nothing more than a quantum computer/data acquisition and control system, and the universe is holographic and true reality is quantum reality or something even deeper, you have to have some idea that something else is going on "here."

We are riders in meat puppet buses or using avatars if you prefer. We observe and act out our roles according to a script we have never seen and most refuse to acknowledge. Religion even states subtly that we have no free will since God knows everything, past present and future and to know the future, that means it's already cast-in-granite. God being outside of this "system" of "reality" of course, could reverse or fast forward to any point in this virtual reality experience and of course he'd now the future LOL. I am quite sure there is no free will.

I do expect there will be as they call it, a third anti-christ and I believe it is necessary to the story line of this reality.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: ViciLaw

Considering God’s Master Plan for planet Earth, the most important event to occur during Earth’s sixth 1,000 year period will be the reign of the Antichrist. This will occur during the final 7 years of Earth’s first 6,000 years (year 5,993 – 6,000) with the last 3 ½ years of that time being known as the Great Tribulation. The Bible says the Antichrist will be a man, likened unto a beast, with the number 666: “Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six” (Revelation 13:18).

During the last 3½ years (42 months) the Antichrist will be given “power over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations” (Revelation 13:7). And he will be allowed to “make war with the saints, and to overcome them” (Revelation 13:7). During this time he will “cause all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might be able to buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name” (Revelation 13:16-17). In other words, to sum it up, God is going to allow this man (the Antichrist) to subdue ALL peoples of the Earth!

a reply to: ViciLaw

No angels have free will because satan rebelled or its like the muslims say about the jinn
the jinn are made of fire and here on earth with us they have free will and satan is the leader
we are made of clay

wouldn't a angel with free will be classed as a fallen angel ? reply to: sweets777

a reply to: smudge77

no it comes to the ? if angels have to worship god like its in their dna or they do it out of free will out of love .
I dont know i have heard both i guess if satan is an angel then angels have free will satan chose to rebel
others choose to worship god
if satan is a jinn then angels are programed to worship god

originally posted by: smudge77
wouldn't a angel with free will be classed as a fallen angel ? reply to: sweets777

Free will does not mandate the choice of the bad thing.

There may be several good choices and several bad choices, there may also be neutral choices. Free will allows one to decide for themselves and also does not require a perfect knowledge of the consequences, either.

Reductionism is great for illustrating a point but it is rarely the case in actuality.

originally posted by: sweets777
a reply to: smudge77

no it comes to the ? if angels have to worship god like its in their dna or they do it out of free will out of love .
I dont know i have heard both i guess if satan is an angel then angels have free will satan chose to rebel
others choose to worship god
if satan is a jinn then angels are programed to worship god

Angels, though far more intelligent and powerful than humans, are limited in their future development.

Humans, though frail and foolish now, will outstrip the angels at some time in the future. Our potential is greater. Consider the ineffectualness of a baby, unable to feed itself or keep itself clean. At some stage babies leave their former state and become capable children and then adults.

originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: ViciLaw
If you believe in religion and God you know that everything has been created by God and planned by God.

...yada yada....why does God allow Evil...yada yada...

Religion either contradicts itself or God is one sick and twisted individual who is making us play the game for his,her's or its amusement.

There sure are a lot of threads started on this topic! People obviously have a problem understanding God.

You have to understand that His ultimate gift to you is Free Will. Without that foundation of understanding it's impossible to move on really.

If you get that, then you can understand that he doesn't 'pre-determine' what you are going to do, he simply knows how you will choose everything in your life. So God isn't 'planning' everything, he simply knows what will happen because he knows all the factors going into the decisions people make. Thus you still have Free Will.

So God isn't 'one sick and twisted individual'. Not in my belief system anyway.

So, now we're preordained to good or evil because God already knows what we are going to do. Why fight it. What about the grey area? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think I'll have to settle for personal responsibility and cut the middle man out. Every living thing has free will. Mine led me to the realization that there is no God.

I was just curious about what a 3rd anti-christ was. I never heard that one before. I wanted to know if there was going to be a crusade fought over it and if you were organizing. I like to keep up on things that may affect my well being.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

Funny story, bt also true, so a little bit sad:
While I believe in God and I truly can understand why so many people don't, when a child grows up under a strong feeling of pressure, coming from fear-inducing-doom-porn and unfullfillable expectations of their surroundings calling themselfes "adult", there have to be a few psychosis in the later damaged, but developed mind. Things someone, who grew up in a "normal" family, where there a just a few inner communicational issues, could never understand. So let's give him an impression of free-will and be a little tolerant, as he says, it is not his fault, he can't take responsibility for his actions. Maybe he would feel safer in a cage? Maybe coming from getting locked in a closet when he wasn't afraid enough for his parents taste? Be kind, all I am asking.
They all took the "tav", the mark of the beast, why don't we let them find out for themselfes, they can't escape from the responsibility they took upon their shoulders?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ViciLaw

So the 3rd Anti-Christ is of Gods plan?

Please excuse my ignorance, but who were the first two 'Anti-Christ's'?

Nostradamus (that well known Christian apologist) suggested there would be three antichrists, the last being "Mabus".

I think that he was actually channeling Monty Python and got the details wrong.

a reply to: ViciLaw

Well by histories sake I have to say Hitler and Napoleon. Even though the first ever such candidate was also Alexander who committed a Genocide during one of his campaigns.

If you are saying that the qualification for Anti-Christ is committing 'genocide' then I really don't see how Napoleon can fit the bill.
Sure, he strove for European dominance and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in his wars - but he never attempted to commit genocide.

Surely Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot from the last century or so far better fit the bill.

And if we go further back in time Tamerlane and Genghis Khan would surely be more likely candidates.

On every continent during almost every period of time there have been mass killings / genocidal acts committed, I would have thought qualification for the label 'Anti-Christ' would require something a bit more unique?

Just my casual thoughts as an Agnostic looking in from the outside.

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a reply to: ElohimJD



Knowledge is exactly why we are here in this state of being and being kept from the truth. Unless one has all the knowledge as God does then a little knowledge will always fail us. Knowing was never part of the plan we were designed for. Satan opened the dorr for us to know enough to get a big head and believe we could do just as good as what God planned.



While technically there is some truth in your statment it is more dangerous that anything.

By this rationale, we should have all just remained like apes and other animals, acting on instinct.

So adam and eve before the fall were like apes?

I think it is safe to say that in many ways evolution and religion are not the same and you just confused the two.

What i was saying is that they lived in a whole other state of being than we know of today and that is the true nature of what we lost in the garden.

Or, as is more likely, adam and eve didn't exist.