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Conspiracy Theory Becomes Fact: Oil Collapse Is All About Crushing Russian Control Over Syria

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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I wrote the word "all" for a reason.

- Someone may still think it`s partly Putin his fault

- Someone may think it`s not his fault

- But too much information has come to the surface already to think it`s all his fault


He seemed to be under the impression that it was all Putin his fault, and was talked to about that not being the case.

You can still discuss about if he`s partly to blame, but not as if he`s the sole one to blame with all what we know now.




posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Putin's only fault is that he is a nationalist and west cannot function with that.

My fear is that this Ukraine mess can rise up into something major resulting in all US, Europe and Russia in shambles.

That will open room for other "cracked mindset" powers like Islamic State, still Commie Chinese etc. come to forefront of global matters and plunge the humanity into chaotic and backward lifestyles.

However, with Kerry, Hollande and Merkel running errands to Kiev and Moscow for ceasefire, both NAF and Kremlin should remember as to how the previous ceasefire was treated by Junta forces. Let alone not fighting with NAF, Junta artillery was equally busy shelling the civilian areas and refused to move their gun beyond 15km of the city limits.

Kremlin should not pursue NAF for ceasefire this time and finish off the job of throwing Junta out of the Novorossiya provinces.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Novorossiya


You spelled "Eastern Ukraine" wrong.
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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: victor7

I would normally agree with you, but even the leaders of Eastern Ukraine, population and Russia themselves know that the Ukrainian army is on the brink of a total collapse which would probably lead to an all out civil war in the whole of the Ukraine immediately.

Why do you think NATO is upping its presence in the bordering countries ?

The Separatists are able to defeat them right now if they want to.


edit on 5 2 2015 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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Well what a mess this is turning into..what I'm about to say comes from my perspective as an ex English national living in Eastern Europe.

I am glad I left the UK it is (for the most part a horrible country)

There is a lot of anti Russian sentiment and propaganda in the western news (+ATS) that I frequently check,which is all BS.

It is quite clear who the most poisonous nation in the world is (not slating all citizens btw) and that is the western alliance fronted by the US,who whether the public accept it or not are under control of the British crown and always have been!

Yes we all know there are elites pulling the strings,but they (I surmise) can be split into two factions..and I would choose a Russian way of life over the west (the lesser of two evils)

Who is it that has started most of the wars and left and trail of destruction over the past century,of coarse the US..they,the crown and Israel (the real rogue nuclear nations) must be stopped at all costs,before they finalize their plans and have their mass sacrifice, the same as in the previous world wars.

Everything is backwards,the real crimes in WW2 were the allied bombings of Dresden for one example,mostly untold,same goes for the true story of Hitler and the .....

The Western public needs a collective slap for playing their part in letting this happen,without doing anything (time and again)

Again you have people up in arms say with the latest despicable burning of the Jordanian,this is truly sick of coarse and it saddens me,but keep it in perspective,this incident is given air time etc for a reason.

Why were these same people not reacting at the mass killings and illegal occupation of Iraq, off the back of the inside job of9/11 and fake WMDs? And not forgetting the murders our own establishments commit behind closed doors in their ritual sacrifices!

We also have the attempted set up of Assad with chemical weapons which has been forgotten quickly it seems..the list goes on..all these phoney wars are usually started with false flags fromLusitania,gulf of Tonkin,Pearl Harbour etc etc.

ISIS is Also funded by them (as many here know) and the same goes for the destruction at hand in the Ukraine.The moronic populace just sucks up the propaganda and supports these psychos,I am fully with Russia in their defense of their citizens!! The Ukrainians shot down mh17 a plane of civilians and are shelling schools come on now WTF? We are all in this together and it might seem a world away to those essentially cut off in US/UK but you are on the hit list make no mistake! This is on my doorstep in a sense and it doesn't take much imagination to see mainland Europe as a quagmire once more.

Let's hope Planet X hurries along and settles the scores,as it seems that is the only way of changing the dismal global situation and imbalance.

Peace.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: EndOfDays77

I know grandchildren of Japanese WWII pilots who would contest your Pearl Harbor false flag theory.

Just saying.

Between your word salad of listing various conspiracy theories, suggesting the world elite do ritualistic sacrifice, and claiming ISIS is funded by these mysterious elite, I kind of have a hard time believing a word you say.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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Back to the oil.

It's pretty clear the crude oil price is being forced down artificially. I was discussing this with friends at the beginning of the year. Personally I could care less if the Americans have a beef with the Russians, the one thing that strikes me about all this is... what an opportunity (if you are into Commodity Trading).

Oil had been stable at 110 dollars a barrel for 3 years and then drops off a cliff. Chances are when America decide the "experiment" is over, oil will return to 110 dollars a barrel. Perhaps this year, perhaps next. I'm not advocating anybody get into Crude Oil Futures, I'm just calling it for the fun of it.

The current barrel price ($52) will double in the next 18 months (or less).



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: zigguratvertigo

The reason for the gas decline was from fracking and the glut of oil it created in the market. The reason Saudi Arabia did not decrease output it because of history. The last time the Saudis tried to decrease production to increase prices it essentially blew up in their face. It caused massive market issues and adversely affected the price, creating more problems than the glut of oil did.

The number of new wells for the US have plummeted so the market will eventually balance itself out. The Saudis were interested in reducing the price of oil to make fracking to expensive to be an alternate. They planned ahead with their budge and financial reserves to make up the loss in the short term so it pays off in the long term.


If, and that's a big if, their is collusion between the US and Saudi Arabia to drive prices down to affect Russia then all I have to say is maybe Russia should not have gone running around threatening the end the dollar. I find it funny that Russia will lip off and Russian supporters push the BS on this site. They then get pissed when there is a response to that plan that adversely affects Russia and people whine about it.

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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Putin's only fault is that he is a nationalist and west cannot function with that.


No it's called imperialist, he thinks other nearby nations are his. A good empire seduces its clients to want to join. Putin doesn't know how to do that.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

That's correct, UA can be defeated even now but with little bit more of reinforcements to NAF, the job will become smoother. No need for ceasefire until atleast NAF has secured all of DPR and LPR, although whole of NovoRossiya provinces should be taken.

ps: ScientificReligion...........It is Novorossiya and not Eastern Ukraine...............anymore!!

www.liveleak.com...

The Ukrainian army is in such a condition that the militia can freely advance until they reach the boundaries of Lugansk and Donetsk regions.

This opinion was expressed by Army General Anatoliy Kulikov, the former Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, in an interview with the “Spetsialnyy Korrespondent” talk show.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

It`s not an "if" that Saudi Arabia has been keeping its oil production artificially high while the demand isn`t there.

Anyone can see that SA has adjusted output to match demand for many years.

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Russia then all I have to say is maybe Russia should not have gone running around threatening the end the dollar.


Of course not, no one can threaten to end the hegemony of the US and plundering of sovereign nations.

How members of the Kiev junta passed Ukrainian Black Sea shale oil and gas reserves to Romania



Why the word "contest" is in quotes? Because both of these figures, Timoshenko and Poroshenko, are members of the same team. Together were in the same government. Which by command from the West passed a part of their country into a foreign jurisdiction.

It happened recently. Just five years ago.

Let us remember how those who are loudly shouting about the integrity of Ukraine, at the bidding of the West gave Romania the shelf of the island Zmeiny [meaning "Snake"].

By the way, filled with natural gas fields...


Source



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

That's correct, UA can be defeated even now but with little bit more of reinforcements to NAF, the job will become smoother. No need for ceasefire until atleast NAF has secured all of DPR and LPR, although whole of NovoRossiya provinces should be taken.

ps: ScientificReligion...........It is Novorossiya and not Eastern Ukraine...............anymore!!

www.liveleak.com...

The Ukrainian army is in such a condition that the militia can freely advance until they reach the boundaries of Lugansk and Donetsk regions.

This opinion was expressed by Army General Anatoliy Kulikov, the former Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, in an interview with the “Spetsialnyy Korrespondent” talk show.
Last official map I checked, there was no such place as "NovoRossiya".

Weird.

Don't worry, the Russian troops, oops, I mean "separatists" will find themselves in a sticky situation quite soon if the US/Ukarine lethal aid deal goes through.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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HAHAHA !

Is John Kerry reading ATS ?

John Kerry tells journalists to look in the social media for proof of Russian troops in Ukraine



Today during a joint press conference with Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk in Kiev, the head of the U.S. Department of State, John Kerry, again failed to answer the question if there is strong evidence that Russian soldiers are involved in the conflict in the East of Ukraine. Instead, he invited the journalists to look for it online.

"Social networks are filled with reports and photos of Russian soldiers, who are brought back to Russia dead. And the parents of these soldiers in Russia are told that their sons were killed somewhere in an accident, " - Kerry said. - There are also prisoners of war who have provided proof of their participation in the conflict (in the East of Ukraine. - RT). And that's enough."


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After the MH17 social media idiocy he simply does that mistake again, can`t anyone give that man some proper media training.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
HAHAHA !

Is John Kerry reading ATS ?

John Kerry tells journalists to look in the social media for proof of Russian troops in Ukraine



Today during a joint press conference with Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk in Kiev, the head of the U.S. Department of State, John Kerry, again failed to answer the question if there is strong evidence that Russian soldiers are involved in the conflict in the East of Ukraine. Instead, he invited the journalists to look for it online.

"Social networks are filled with reports and photos of Russian soldiers, who are brought back to Russia dead. And the parents of these soldiers in Russia are told that their sons were killed somewhere in an accident, " - Kerry said. - There are also prisoners of war who have provided proof of their participation in the conflict (in the East of Ukraine. - RT). And that's enough."


Source

After the MH17 social media idiocy he simply does that mistake again, can`t anyone give that man some proper media training.
He's not wrong. A quick browse through social media searching for evidence of Russian troops in Ukraine reveals a glut of photo and video evidence.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

There is no Kiev junta.

The world, including Russia, acknowledged and accepted the parliamentary and presidential elections in Ukraine.

As for the last part of your post - I am done reading blogs.

Nikolai Starikov is a Russian writer, opinion journalist, social activist and a co-chairman of Great Fatherland Party and its subsidiary social NGO, Union of Russian Citizens.


He blames the west for Yanukovych's elections.
He says the west forced Ukraine to give the island to Romania.
He is confused as to why Romania did not file a formal complaint while it was still occupied by the USSR.

The USSR started people down this road by messing with the borders of other countries. The dispute went to the Hague. Any agreement between Romania and Ukraine is their own to deal with.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

An army can`t function without troops and decent field commanders.

No matter how many weapons the US is going to send, those 20.000/25.000 ragtag soldiers have no clue about what to do, because their field commanders have no clue what to do...and that isn`t going to change the tide anymore.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

An army can`t function without troops and decent field commanders.

No matter how many weapons the US is going to send, those 20.000/25.000 ragtag soldiers have no clue about what to do, because their field commanders have no clue what to do...and that isn`t going to change the tide anymore.
If that doesn't help, I fully expect NATO boots to hit Ukraine soil before year's end. This is far from over. NATO and the western world won't allow Putin to stomp on his neighbors any longer. He's a dangerous person.



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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Don't worry, the Russian troops, oops, I mean "separatists" will find themselves in a sticky situation quite soon if the US/Ukarine lethal aid deal goes through.


US is not foolish. If it sends weapons to UA, then US Army should be ready to "face off" these weapons in other parts of the world. This means, the corrupt UA soldiers and officers will be willingly selling any weapons to the highest bidder. Once reported fired, there is little accounting for a anti-tank missile or artillery shell.

In addition, Russia will also open the flood gates of RPG-29s, Iglas and Long Range sniper rifles to any one and everyone giving good price per unit. Heck, Russian economy has suffered quite a bit due to lower oil prices.

Russians keep quiet only to an extent but once you start supplying weapons to be used against their men, then Russia becomes ballistic. So why did not Russia attack Pakistan in 80s from where the weapons were coming to Mujahedeen.............that answer will better be given by Gorbachov and Yeltsin types........and such leadership and foreign policy is the main reason USSR broke apart.

Anyone supplying weapons to UA will pay through the nose and Kremlin will make sure of that !!



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: ScientificRailgun




Don't worry, the Russian troops, oops, I mean "separatists" will find themselves in a sticky situation quite soon if the US/Ukarine lethal aid deal goes through.


US is not foolish. If it sends weapons to UA, then US Army should be ready to "face off" these weapons in other parts of the world. This means, the corrupt UA soldiers and officers will be willingly selling any weapons to the highest bidder. Once reported fired, there is little accounting for a anti-tank missile or artillery shell.

In addition, Russia will also open the flood gates of RPG-29s, Iglas and Long Range sniper rifles to any one and everyone giving good price per unit. Heck, Russian economy has suffered quite a bit due to lower oil prices.

Russians keep quiet only to an extent but once you start supplying weapons to be used against their men, then Russia becomes ballistic. So why did not Russia attack Pakistan in 80s from where the weapons were coming to Mujahedeen.............that answer will better be given by Gorbachov and Yeltsin types........and such leadership and foreign policy is the main reason USSR broke apart.

Anyone supplying weapons to UA will pay through the nose and Kremlin will make sure of that !!
And when Russia deploys their nuclear arsenal, will you continue to defend them even then?



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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No matter how many weapons the US is going to send, those 20.000/25.000 ragtag soldiers have no clue about what to do, because their field commanders have no clue what to do...and that isn`t going to change the tide anymore.


Which is why they have adviser's and soon will have training for those weapons...you know like what Russia is and has been doing for the separatists, one other difference we aren't sending troops to Ukraine, or I'm sorry on vacation with their government issued weapons to Ukraine.

And with that one has to ask how bad is Russia if their military have to/want to vacation in a war zone?




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