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Conspiracy Theory Becomes Fact: Oil Collapse Is All About Crushing Russian Control Over Syria

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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Bang on time.


BornAgain and the others don't accept Western news sources (not matter how numerous) because they believe it's all just anti-Russian propaganda


Western media has time and time again lied in unison they are no better than rt.

It is not just in members heads as you were hinting at.
How do they "lie in unison"? That would suggest there's some huge conspiracy of multiple nations and independent companies to report only what some mysterious person at the top wants them to report. Now, it's certainly true the many news agencies simply parrot what Reuters puts out, but I think that is mainly a sign of laziness, and not complicity in some larger conspiracy.


If it is lazy journalism why would you accept 2 sources of said lazy journalism as fact then?




posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

Probably best to give that a read.
I agree that most American news agencies aren't trustworthy, which is why I specifically said Al-Jazeera would be a good source alternative. What of the other Western nations that strangely don't report the same things RT does? Are they controlled by this single entity as well?



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Bang on time.


BornAgain and the others don't accept Western news sources (not matter how numerous) because they believe it's all just anti-Russian propaganda


Western media has time and time again lied in unison they are no better than rt.

It is not just in members heads as you were hinting at.
How do they "lie in unison"? That would suggest there's some huge conspiracy of multiple nations and independent companies to report only what some mysterious person at the top wants them to report. Now, it's certainly true the many news agencies simply parrot what Reuters puts out, but I think that is mainly a sign of laziness, and not complicity in some larger conspiracy.


If it is lazy journalism why would you accept 2 sources of said lazy journalism as fact then?
Al-Jazeera doesn't often parrot Reuters, nor does NHK World. I'd accept those as sources in a heartbeat.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ScientificRailgun


I'd accept a source that has other sources to back it up. Like a report from multiple media outlets (not necessarily western, as they can tend to push their own agenda as well), or a report with supporting photo or video that hasn't been proven as taken out of context or faked.

Blah, blah… nice dodge.

sosobad asked you…


What do you consider a reputable source?

Any, one, just one… otherwise be vetoed for the troll you are.

I don't think I dodged anything Intrptr. He asked what I would accept, and I told him. I even conceded that I'd accept an RT source so long as any ONE other major news outlet or reputable news source reported it as well.

Quite a shift from previous page…


Also before you do anything, remember that RT doesn't count as a source. RT has been outed as blatant Russian propaganda numerous times so I don't trust anything I read on that site.

Try not to be so obvious.

Don't feed the trolls folks,

intrptr out

.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Airport was not a civilian place anymore.

This contains no violation of T&C...


It`s English subtitled, but you have to active it.
edit on 4 2 2015 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Like this, proof by an actual Dutch reporter who have been in Separatist territory all the time...

Google Translate :

Dead after grenade hospital Donetsk



In the Ukrainian city of Donetsk at least five people died when a grenade near a hospital hit. Also got six schools and five kindergartens damaged. On the pictures you can see that there is a huge crater beaten for the hospital.

Donetsk is the struggle between the pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian army recently flared up again. In the past 24 hours, two Ukrainian soldiers killed and eighteen wounded, notify the Ukrainian armed forces. The separatists would have shot about eighty times on the submissions of the army and villages in the area of Donetsk.

No stone left standing

NOS correspondent David Jan Godfroid yesterday visited the front in eastern Ukraine. The airport is owned by the separatists and is still being fought. In the nearby villages Pisky and Pervomaisk state according Godfroid no stone left standing. The foreign representative of the European Union, Federica Mogherini, is precisely expressed today for a truce of three days in the city Debaltsevo, near Donetsk.


Dutch

That's an excellent source, thank you. But all it does is show that civilian casualties occurred DURING a battle in Donetsk, which is a large flashpoint between Ukrainian and Rebel forces. It does not say that the Ukrainian army specifically targeted civilians.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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Just helping to connect some dots around here:
Why Syria? An Examination of the Iran-Iraq-Syria Pipeline.
just scroll down fast the thread above to get the idea..



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ScientificRailgun


I'd accept a source that has other sources to back it up. Like a report from multiple media outlets (not necessarily western, as they can tend to push their own agenda as well), or a report with supporting photo or video that hasn't been proven as taken out of context or faked.

Blah, blah… nice dodge.

sosobad asked you…


What do you consider a reputable source?

Any, one, just one… otherwise be vetoed for the troll you are.

I don't think I dodged anything Intrptr. He asked what I would accept, and I told him. I even conceded that I'd accept an RT source so long as any ONE other major news outlet or reputable news source reported it as well.

Quite a shift from previous page…


Also before you do anything, remember that RT doesn't count as a source. RT has been outed as blatant Russian propaganda numerous times so I don't trust anything I read on that site.

Try not to be so obvious.

Don't feed the trolls folks,

intrptr out

.
Cherrypicking my quotes now I see. I said I'd accept RT so long as any ONE other major news outlet or reputable news source reported it as well.. I think that pretty well means I don't accept RT as source by itself, but rather require MORE evidence before I accept it as fact.

So sorry you decided to leave.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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Well I cant entirely speak much for other countries, as much as im aware of what may happen in them I know little about their corporate infrastructure however the BBC here in the UK is the single largest news company on the planet and it serves as nothing more than a propaganda wing of the government and the crown, it is tax payer funded state media.

Our newspapers are operated in a similar fashion controlled by a cabal of right wing privately educated businessmen with cloes ties to government.

And as such we are always ideologicaly aligned with American foreign policy, so yeah, our governments pretty much conspire with each other to control the media that we see, most very few countries really have a free press anymore.

Network (1976) - Ned Beatty - "The World is a Business"

Network was an Oscar winning movie that basicaly explains what has happened, there are no nations or borders anymore.
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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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How do they "lie in unison"? That would suggest there's some huge conspiracy of multiple nations and independent companies to report only what some mysterious person at the top wants them to report.
a reply to: ScientificRailgun "Becoming the first credentialed, well-known media insider to step forward and state publicly that he was secretly a “propagandist,” an editor of a major German daily has said that he personally planted stories for the CIA.

Saying he believes a medical condition gives him only a few years to live, and that he is filled with remorse, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, the editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany’s largest newspapers, said in an interview that he accepted news stories written and given to him by the CIA and published them under his own name. Ulfkotte said the aim of much of the deception was to drive nations toward war." www.globalresearch.ca...



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Well I cant entirely speak much for other countries, as much as im aware of what may happen in them I know little about their corporate infrastructure however the BBC here in the UK is the single largest news company on the planet and it serves as nothing more than a propaganda wing of the government and the crown, it is tax payer funded state media.

Our newspapers are operated in a similar fashion controlled by a cabal of right wing privately educated businessmen with cloes ties to government.

And as such we are always ideologicaly aligned with American foreign policy, so yeah, our governments pretty much conspire with each other to control the media that we see, most very few countries really have a free press anymore.

Network (1976) - Ned Beatty - "The World is a Business"

Network was an Oscar winning movie that basicaly explains what has happened, there are no nations or borders anymore.
I didn't know BBC was a mouthpiece for the crown, thank you. I'll make sure to keep that in mind when I see pieces from them from now on.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1



How do they "lie in unison"? That would suggest there's some huge conspiracy of multiple nations and independent companies to report only what some mysterious person at the top wants them to report.
a reply to: ScientificRailgun "Becoming the first credentialed, well-known media insider to step forward and state publicly that he was secretly a “propagandist,” an editor of a major German daily has said that he personally planted stories for the CIA.

Saying he believes a medical condition gives him only a few years to live, and that he is filled with remorse, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, the editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany’s largest newspapers, said in an interview that he accepted news stories written and given to him by the CIA and published them under his own name. Ulfkotte said the aim of much of the deception was to drive nations toward war." www.globalresearch.ca...
Interesting, to say the least. Are there others who have come forward about this?



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yes...

World Bank Whistleblower Karen Hudes Reveals How The Global Elite Rule The World



Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel. She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rule the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite use a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet. The goal is control. They want all of us enslaved to debt, they want all of our governments enslaved to debt, and they want all of our politicians addicted to the huge financial contributions that they funnel into their campaigns. Since the elite also own all of the big media companies, the mainstream media never lets us in on the secret that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that our system works.


Source



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yes...

World Bank Whistleblower Karen Hudes Reveals How The Global Elite Rule The World



Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel. She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rule the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite use a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet. The goal is control. They want all of us enslaved to debt, they want all of our governments enslaved to debt, and they want all of our politicians addicted to the huge financial contributions that they funnel into their campaigns. Since the elite also own all of the big media companies, the mainstream media never lets us in on the secret that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that our system works.


Source
So if all western media outlets are propaganda, and RT is just propaganda as well, who do we trust? What source can be called a valid source?



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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You might like to read these two and consider what might be happening as far as new's goes no matter the source . www.globalresearch.ca... www.globalresearch.ca... This link is worth spending some time on and checking out www.medialens.org... a reply to: ScientificRailgun



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
You might like to read these two and consider what might be happening as far as new's goes no matter the source . www.globalresearch.ca... www.globalresearch.ca... This link is worth spending some time on and checking out www.medialens.org... a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Medialens might be an interesting source, but I struggle to believe much of what GlobalResearch has to say, considering it's past forays into conspiracy territory (and taking it as 100% fact) such as this piece on chemtrails and this article denying the Bosnian genocide.

There's also this article purporting that vaccines are a government conspiracy to kill or retard children.

Though I will take a closer look at MediaLens. Thank you.
edit on 4-2-2015 by ScientificRailgun because: corrected link



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yes...

World Bank Whistleblower Karen Hudes Reveals How The Global Elite Rule The World



Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel. She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rule the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite use a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet. The goal is control. They want all of us enslaved to debt, they want all of our governments enslaved to debt, and they want all of our politicians addicted to the huge financial contributions that they funnel into their campaigns. Since the elite also own all of the big media companies, the mainstream media never lets us in on the secret that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that our system works.


Source
So if all western media outlets are propaganda, and RT is just propaganda as well, who do we trust? What source can be called a valid source?


It`s just a matter of having own knowledge to dissect what news is solid and what is not, using your brain when reading and not being biased because your full of frustration (for whatever reason) which need a way out to cloud your judgement...a lot of people have a whole lot of frustration in them which needs to finds its way out, towards hippies, socialists, republicans, etc., and with that your not able to see things for what they are because you have a prejudice...

...and don`t believe too quickly if you read something, no matter how logical something might sound, it doesn`t have to be true...most of the time it`s the illogical things which tell the story...the inconsistencies give away the lies.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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Something also thats food for thought.

CIA influence on public opinion


At various times, under its own authority or in accordance with directives from the President of the United States or the National Security Council staff, the Central Intelligence Agency has attempted to influence domestic and international public opinion, and sometimes law enforcement


Psychological Operations (United States)


Psychological operations (PSYOP) or, as it has been known since 2010, Military Information Support Operations (MISO),[1] are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals


This will no doubt happen in most modern industrial nations, Russia included, with varying degrees of culbability, but there seems to be this over zealous notion somehow America is immune to these sorts of antics, weird.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Something also thats food for thought.

CIA influence on public opinion


At various times, under its own authority or in accordance with directives from the President of the United States or the National Security Council staff, the Central Intelligence Agency has attempted to influence domestic and international public opinion, and sometimes law enforcement


Psychological Operations (United States)


Psychological operations (PSYOP) or, as it has been known since 2010, Military Information Support Operations (MISO),[1] are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals


This will no doubt happen in most modern industrial nations, Russia included, with varying degrees of culbability, but there seems to be this over zealous notion somehow America is immune to these sorts of antics, weird.
Oh I hold no misconceptions about America's hand in controlling their public. Let's just say I'm happy to be living in Japan. Though they too aren't free of suspicion.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yes...

World Bank Whistleblower Karen Hudes Reveals How The Global Elite Rule The World



Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel. She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rule the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite use a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet. The goal is control. They want all of us enslaved to debt, they want all of our governments enslaved to debt, and they want all of our politicians addicted to the huge financial contributions that they funnel into their campaigns. Since the elite also own all of the big media companies, the mainstream media never lets us in on the secret that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that our system works.


Source
So if all western media outlets are propaganda, and RT is just propaganda as well, who do we trust? What source can be called a valid source?


These days on this board...... None. As I said earlier neither side will accept anything from other but I will say something, it is research things yourself and draw your own conclusions. Don't rely on other members to make your mind up for you. Especially if they just comment to attack the source and run.

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