It's quite obvious from reading over this thread that the evolutionist/atheists are impossible to hold a discussion with. For example, Nygdon comes
on and just makes statements flat out of denial to my carefully written posts, and thinks that should be enough to settle the matter. Sorry.
There's only one person in the world who I believe without question -- and it's not Nygdon. Nygdon is not proving any of his statements. He just
goes in and rips others' arguments to shreds by making blanket statements of "that's false," "you just don't understand evolution," and flatly
stating a contrary position as though that settled THAT! No reasoning, no examples, just denial and insults.
Nygdon claims "Macroevolution is occurring and we can see it occurring." Wow. Now we all know this is true because Nygdon said it was. Nygdon
says a dynosaur's forearm can transform itself into a wing and always at every moment look like a useful, non-blobby appendage. A caterpillar
changes into a butterfly and if you cut open the pupa in the two weeks this is happening you would see a scrambled mess. But somehow Nygdon thinks
that a dinosaur can transform into a bird and at all times it will be some kind of perfect creature that if you were to find it as a fossil it would
look like just another creature, all done and finished. Nygdon says never at any time does a creature which is evolving from one kind of creature
into another look like it's actually changing. A forearm can change into a wing and always be a perfect appendage as this is occurring. And you
ask, how can this be so? Because Nygdon says so, and Nygdon knows. How does Nygdon know? Because he just knows, so it must be true because Nygdon
says it's true. Anybody who doesn't agree with Nygdon is ignorant and foolish. So you better agree with Nygdon if you want to be smart and
informed. See how easy it is to be smart and informed? Just agree with Nygdon.
In fact what Nygdon says goes against everything we know and see with our two eyes and our common sense. But that doesn't matter, because who really
cares what's true or not? The important thing is that you not be different. If you have a different opinion, it doesn't matter how many good
reasons you give or how logical or how persuasive you are, if people want to stick with the flow of the lemmings they will just laugh you to scorn
without even trying to defend their position. They will even misrepresent the truth and claim they have offered proof, which they have not. They
will say, Oh we already covered that before earlier in the thread and you already lost that debate. When that is also not true.
The thing that really breaks my heart the most is when I'm told that my opinions don't count and that I should not even be contributing to the
discussion at all because I am a Christian. Christians should be seen and not heard. There is a place for Christians called Below Top Secret where
they can go and talk to each other, but nobody else, because everybody else is at Above Top Secret. So why does somebody want to be sent to a
Christian ghetto? Especially when they know they have so much proof and good things to contribute to any subject at hand -- not just origins but any
other topic as well.
How can people be so rude as to come in and demand that someone not speak, to just rip up their postings with flat denials and insults and never
address any of the points? To just make blanket statements and offer no proof and demand that everyone agree if they want to be considered "smart"
and not "ignorant" or, even worse, "religious?"
Fact is the most religious people of all are the evolutionists. I actually hate religion and I'm not religious at all. I want the truth, and
that's all I want. If I think I'm not on the truth train, I bale real quick. I do not go with blind faith against all my eyes and senses tell me,
against common sense and logic. Rather it's the atheists who cling to their belief in gradual evolution even though there is no transitional life
form to be found, alive, dead or fossilized of any creature -- plant, insect, fish, reptile, bird or mammal. Since Darwin the atheists are still
pathetically scratching in the dirt looking for their proof. When they find some rotted bone or piece of skull, they are delirious thinking they have
finally found their proof. They cannot find a transitional life form of anything and have not a feather of evidence, unless you want to say some
fossil that they want to use their vivid imaginations to create the transitions, tell everyone this is what the creature actually looked like, and
these little squiggly things here in are actually half feather half scales. Right. Do you take the word of people with blind faith in evolution
when they tell you the squiggly lines are half feather, half scales? For that matter, do you believe much of anything these people say? NOT! They
are so blindly and fiercely biased in their opinions that there is no trusting much of anything they say on this subject. They are zealots --
absolute zealots. If God himself knocked on their door and told them they were wrong they'd still believe that evolution is a fact, not a religious
theory and a very far out one at that.
I'm aware of many religious beliefs, and I consider the belief in evolution and "aliens" to be at the top of the heap of "out there" beliefs.
Yeah, there is GOING to be an alien invasion. Why? Because the Illuminati knows what lemmings people are, how they will not think, will not
question, will go along with whatever Dan Rather or Shep Smith or whoever tells them, or whatever they read in Time Magazine, whatever. Since the
Illuminati controls all these media how easy to manipulate the lemmings. Whatever you tell them, they will believe. So they are doing to stage a
fake alien invasion, just like they staged a fake moon landing. They will bring out these creatures and pass them off as aliens. Remember this when
it happens that I told you so and that I said it is a lie. It is a fake. It is a deliberate deception, and if you believe it you will be deluded,
just as you are deluded about evolution.
Nygdon's is saying in essence that a turnip can transform to a bumblebee without a lot of funny blobbies going on. If this is true, we should be
able to observe these "in-between transitions, and that SHOULD be apparent both NOW (i.e. why has evolution apparently stopped cold?) and also in the
fossil record. He claims the transitions did not occur in jerks or leaps but smoothly over long periods of time (billions of years?) so where's the
evidence? Answer: There IS no evidence, literally not one feather of evidence.
Now who is called the bigot here? Why, I am. I am the bigot. But it's very, very plain to me that this board is filled with people who hate
Christianity, who hate God, and who hate people who do not agree with their atheist point of view. You guys are rabidly bigoted against a person who
defends their belief in a self-existant, almighty Creator God. Which I DO.
Pretty funny, huh? The thread is called "How Does Creationism Explain?" Yet when a person tries to actually do that, they are told to get off the
thread and go talk to people on Below Top Secret, go associate with your own kind.
Is that how ATS is supposed to work? Each thread is isolated and it's only for people of one point of view? I did not read that in the rules and
regs. I was told by AmoryMeltzer that these forums were open to everyone.
I am not a Nazi, a Muslim terrorist, a white supremacist, whatever. I am not a bigot at all. In fact, with my belief in Creationism I believe all
the races were included in the genes of the first people on this earth -- the same people who BTW Scripture says had children, who were named, who
also had children WHO WERE NAMED, and this went on and on and on in the "begats." People might wonder why the Bible would have all those boring
begats. Well, the begats kind of show you that God wasn't fooling when he said he created the first man and woman and named them Adam and Eve. They
had kids -- lots and lots of them, most not named in Scripture. But they were healthy and fertile and lived about 900 years. So they had probably at
least 500 children if not more. But the point is, at least three of their children are specifically named in Scripture -- Cain and Abel and Seth.
Scripture says Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old, and Adam lived to be 930 years old. The genealogy goes on from there showing the direct
line of descendants from Adam to David to Jesus (through both Mary and Joseph, Joseph being the stepfather of Jesus). So Adam and Eve were real
people whose genealogies are laid out in Scripture specifically.
So Nygdon says he has given proof for macroevolution. I concede there is microevolution or speciation, but maintain this is just more proof
of the Creator's hand, that God put within the genes of each kind the different species, which would emerge at God's timing and purpose. Never in
the history of the world has there ever been any example of one "kind" turning into another "kind" -- what we call macroevolution. Nygdon says he
can prove this happened, that he has proved this to happen. He has not done so or even attempted to do so that I can see.
A turnip will never be a bumblebee. Never. Why? Because the genetic material is not there. Mutations are harmful, not helpful. Mutations do not
cause new genetic material to form. Rather, they cause genetic material already put there by the Creator to be lost or damaged.
Evolution means going from the simple to the complex. So anyone who tries to use speciation as an example of evolution is disproving their own
theory, because speciation is a reduction of genetic material, not an adding to it.
I look forward to a two-page "rebuttal" (if you want to call it that) of either Nygdon or Riley going through my post with a long, long list of
flat denials and insults or worse. The gist of what I'm saying will never be answered in a post such as mine is, just laying out the argument in a
logical and complete way so nobody should mistake what the point is. We all know that you disagree with me. But what do YOU think? What point can
you offer to counter mine that makes more sense than mine does? Do you have one?
To continue to rip my posts apart by isolating every word I say and just putting out blanket statements of "false, not true, you're wrong, you
don't understand, go back to school" is not productive. Zip says to go talk to somebody on a religious thread. Nygdon accuses me of being "rude"
because I dare to disagree with the atheistic viewpoints that are presented. Meantime, this is not a real discussion or a debate. You don't win
points in a debate for insults and flat denials. Anybody can do that.
I have made many points here and defended them with good logic and sound reasoning. Far as I can see, not one of these points has been refuted, or
even has anyone tried to refute them. Just blanket statements that I'm wrong and insults.
For example, I explained microevolution or speciation, that the genetic material was already there in the parent of the kind or family. Does anybody
have an alternate explanation that makes more sense than that? We have a point of agreement which is that there is microevolution or speciation that
can be observed. But the evidence shows that the species appear suddenly, and are complete and finished creatures. Anybody disagree with this?
When you say that new genetic material can create itself or that it does create itself, this defies everything we know about genetics. So why are
you guys claiming to be so"scientific" and saying that I am so "religious?" I am the one who conforms my beliefs to the facts here.
This will never be a real discussion because a "moderator" and some others won't allow any real discussion to occur here. I wonder, Nygdon, if
you are able to actually write something yourself, argue your point persuasively, not just rip what I say apart with blanket denials and insults. Do
you have anything positive to contribute to this dinosaur foreleg turning into a wing discussion? It's just not logical to maintain that this
occurs with the appendage always appearing to be complete and useful and never any kind of a transitional blobby thing at all. Yet you say you don't
believe in punctuated equilibrium and claim I don't even know what the word means.
Iif Riley comes on here and rips my post apart with his blanket denials and smoke and mirrors I will just repost the whole thing again below it. I
think it's really funny that he never posts anyplace on the board that I can see. No place. But if I'm posting, he likes to jump in and tell me
not to post, that I shouldn't be saying anything, that I'm burdening people to show me proofs, demanding and forcing people, and I need to just go
away. Well, maybe I will go away, but not because of this one person who seems to feel like it's his mission in life to keep me from posting, his
one and only mission --
Merkeva is the only one who actually ever addressed anything I ever said here, acknowledging that she at least understood what I was saying. Not that
Merkeva agrees with me, but people like Merkeva at least have hope to acknowledge the truth, at least have some sense of fairness and sincere looking
for the truth. The rest of you are just defensive of your religion of evolution, so touchy that it will be blown out of the water (as it is so easy
to do) that you must try to silence people who speak rather than offer any kind of arguments.
Merkeva, I'm sorry I didn't answer you about the embryo that had legs that disappeared. I couldn't find anything on it so I can't venture an
opinion on why that's happening. I don't believe in the existance of vestigial organs however.
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