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Bill Would Allow Texas Teachers to Use Deadly Force Against Students

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posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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I bet this will help to deter violence in the schools. They don't have to kill any kids for this to work as long as the kids know that the teachers will react if necessary.

I am sorry if I do not find this disgusting but if a tiny percent of kids feel that teachers can do nothing they will take advantage of the situation..




posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: macman


When have I EVER stated that the US should be doing such things?


You might as well have. You don't seem to be making the connection between the U.S. poking it's nose into the world and our subsequent right to comment on the U.S. as a result. Why is that?

Oh yeah, you're too busy blocking your ears and screaming victim that us pesky foreigners are commenting on U.S. affairs to use logic and reason to figure out why.


edit on 3/2/2015 by Kryties because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: Kryties

Oh, so your assumption has lead you to incorrect conclusions.

The "You might as well have" statement doesn't fly. I either did, or I didn't. You have been called out on BS. Normal reaction to this is exactly your statement.
Will you rise above it and just apologize? As I never made a statement and have made my stance clear early on.

Or just go deeper down the hole into the BS?

And blocking my ears would mean I don't want you and others to retort. By all means........again for the 30th time, banter on.

As for the US actions. If you can poke your nose into your neighbors yard, and tell them how to live, I would hope your yard and life and ready for the same actions.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: macman


So, book smart. Any real world experience outside of London?


I have travelled... I've also mingled with different cultural backgrounds within the UK...
& also book smart...

Point?



See, you keep pitching this whole morality thing, only to basically ignore the first action is based in immoral action. Theft/stealing...
Now, would I personally shoot someone for stealing say, a bike from my yard? No.
Do I have a problem necessarily with someone else doing so? Not really.
Cause and effect. Pure and simple. And the fact I have a huge issue with people that break the law, and the people that enable them with the "poor people" sob story BS, is the driving factor.
Now, would I shoot someone for breaking into my house? In a heart beat. With no remorse.
And please, ignorantly banter on with the "gun rights" angle. I do love it when a fool opens their mouth.
Let's hear YOUR take on OUR gun rights.


Pitching morality is what one should do in a case of an unjustifiable law.
You don't have to like that, but it is what it is!

I commend you for thinking clearly, despite it taking a while...
Maybe you could tell me why you wouldn't shoot someone for petty theft?
The answer to this may either explain, or contradict why you have "no problem" with others doing so!

I haven't mentioned "poor people" once...
I did say how I feel it's an injustice to shoot people for petty theft...

& I'd also have no hesitation killing someone breaking into my house, a friends house, families members house, or anyone who is a physical threat to those listed...

So there is some common ground.


I don't have a take on your gun rights, I think they're fine...
I'd like the same in London...
I have a problem with legislating a law that allows people to be exonerated for killing someone for petty theft...
That's what I've been discussing.

Keep up.


Hmmmm, guess I will have to add some different complexities to this.
What assumptions have I made? Was it that I know and understand the laws and culture of a foreign country? Noooo.
Was it that I get why people still wear fedoras? Not in the least.


No not the car, I'm well aware that was a hypothetical line of questioning.

I have made no assumptions about your Laws...
I have expressed a disagreement with them...

You're not keeping up.

You assumed that I think "poor people" should be let off for their infringements!

You also said;
"As for your fedora, it is just property. I mean, if some poor little hipster needed it, who are you to deny them."

As if to imply I'm advocating no punishment at all for petty theft.

Those were your assumptions. Also claiming I know "nothing" about your Laws...
That was another.



Hey, MR. Global Affairs. You are aware that the "Wild West" life, as portrayed by Hollywood is false.
I am sure that since you are so very much educated in US History, that you know that the shoot-out scenarios were few and far between.
And since YOU brought up Gun Rights, I am sure that you know the history revolving around that.


Who mentioned Hollywood?
Another veiled attempt at insulting my intelligence I see. Well done. There's another assumption too.
You're on a roll.

LoL, "I brought up Gun Rights"?
I don't think you've been paying attention in this thread at all when you say things so nonchalant without basis.

I know some of the history, the Revolutionary stance and protection from tyrannical infringement within the US...
But not even close to all of it though.
& that's why I'm here.
Maybe you can make a thread about it to teach us "foreigners".



What is a "Hollow Tip"? Is that a fake offering to a waitress?
If your going to attempt to make an insulting remark, you should at the very least get your terms correct.
A "Hollow Point" is a type of projectile loaded into a self defense round.
A "Hollow Tip" is........I really have no clue. Maybe it is a London based Global Affairs term.


LoL a Gunman who's never heard the terminology Hollow Tip, that's quite an impressive attempt at being disingenuous over semantics.



I sure do. I often find that certain member here require certain statements, in certain forms.

But, maybe just chalk up our interaction with the typical UK view of the American.
Dumb, over weight, wearing American flag clothes 2 sizes too small while shopping at WalMart.


I'm sure you do to, but I've yet to see the wit displayed.

& no, personally if I had to stereotype an appearance of you, I'd say a man with scars, holding his favourite hunting rifle standing over the body of a Deer...
Close?


I don't see how my Fedora plays a part in anything to be honest.
Maybe you could explain what you mean in much more depth...
I'm guessing it's an attempt to emasculate me with dry humour... Fantastic.
edit on 3-2-2015 by CharlieSpeirs because: Auto correct turned infringment to Lyndsey's??? I'm as baffled as you are!



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: macman

I'm a little ashamed I'm still going there with you as Im just hearing Xenophobia and not any valid discussion on the validity of this bill. sigh~ but anyway here I go…




Is that something off of the 0bama website, or Hillary?

And again, By all means, as stated before, banter on. Comment forth. I love hearing the ignorant speak.



never gone on eithers site.
Calling me ignorant may make you feel al little better/Bigger about yourself and raise your low set esteem for a brief moment, but ignorant is what I would be if none other than your own clan was not permitted to discuss US policy. Make up your mind, you either don't want to hear foreigners opinions or you love to hear them banter? You are contradicting yourself .


You say foreigners can't discuss a Texan bill, and the next you call them ignorant and insist they can't discuss the bill/educate themselves on it. How can one overcome ignorance on a topic unless they review the topic (Texas bills in this instance) and become informed on it.
Also are you in Texas? ARE WE TO LIMIT THIS DISCUSSION TO TEXANS ONLY? NO US citizen outside of this district should discuss a Texas bill according to your way of thinking.



I know you and others would love one world govt, having the UN run everything,

That is a lie. False statement and not what I want nor have stated. I now consider you a blatant liar when trying to debate. NOTED.




So, the US Foreign Affairs office thinks it is US affecting to allow certain factions to gain Govt control in the ME. We need to strike and eliminate those factions.

But wait, let me guess. The big mean US should stop sticking its nose into the affairs of other countries, right?


That is not what I said. And you are rambling so far off topic it almost hurts to read.



But you guys seem to bitch and moan just as loud when others try to change your laws.

I'm a US citizen.

I have an idea in future lets make sure threads have disclaimer "YOU CAN ONLY HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS BILL IF YOU LIVE IN THIS STATE OTHERWISE YOU ARE AN IGNORANT PROGRESSIVE"


Gotcha.



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posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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No way no how no time would I let my child attend a school where the teachers are armed. It's an invitation for trouble. Lethal trouble. No thanks.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I bet this will help to deter violence in the schools. They don't have to kill any kids for this to work as long as the kids know that the teachers will react if necessary.

I am sorry if I do not find this disgusting but if a tiny percent of kids feel that teachers can do nothing they will take advantage of the situation..


That's the most intelligent answer I've seen so far from "the other side"...

Well said.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: neo96

He was an intruder. Not a student at the school.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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I was shocked upon first reading this. But after considering it I understand where it's coming from.
Where I'm from we don't have the same gang problem that the US has got, so dealing with gangbangers is an issue and I wouldn't expect it to be beyond them to bring weapons to school.

But I still think this is a very dangerous slope, I can picture a future where schools are more like prisons, I mean you guys already have metal detectors in school, that's pretty crazy to me.

I think society need to deal with gangs in a more responsible way. I don't know exactly how one would go about doing that but if I was a legislator I'd propose having think tanks try to come up with healthy solutions besides locking people up. And maybe this goes without saying but the for profit prison system really is in dire need of change.

Another front is culture, dismantle the pop culture romantization of violence and the so called thug life, reach out to these kids somehow. People need to be more engaged with their communities which is hard today because of the time restraints of working a 9 to 5 to provide for a family. Kids raised by the state, parents without enough time to be a involved enough with their kids. I don't know how one would go about changing perceptions like that but lame white teachers rapping about not doing drugs is probably not the answer, and shooting kids in the face probably isn't either.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: macman

I'm done with your nonsense. I, and every person on this board and elsewhere in the world, have EVERY RIGHT to comment on American affairs - and shall continue to do so regardless of how much you attempt to bully, intimidate or insult us out of doing so.

If you don't like it, go talk to a brick wall about it - it cares more than I do.

Have a wonderful day.


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posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: Kali74
Yes they are students but I do not consider it heartbreaking by any stretch of the imagination. How many school shooters have been students at the school the shot up?

And the defense of school property portion would actually give a teacher a legal right to eliminate a threat if the threat were encountered outside of the actual school. Think Virginia Tech. The only thing truly sad and heartbreaking here is the fact that specific laws have to be passed in order for people to defend themselves.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: neo96



Trade is about PROPERTY as in goods and services needed to live, on and sell to make a living.

let me get this straight......to you money is more important than life ?

Have i got that right or am i missing something ?


That was funny since life is so 'important' but when it comes to ABORTION.

The same people crying in this thread sing a different tune.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: neo96



Trade is about PROPERTY as in goods and services needed to live, on and sell to make a living.

let me get this straight......to you money is more important than life ?

Have i got that right or am i missing something ?


That was funny since life is so 'important' but when it comes to ABORTION.

The same people crying in this thread sing a different tune.



This is not about abortion.

You cry that other deflect and go off on tangents BUT YOU DO IT AS BAD AS ANYONE!

O and to shatter your little fantasy land im anti abortion .....so bang there goes you little assumption.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: crazyewok

Due process is for the Govt.

That is why I can kill someone in self defense. The Govt has the trial process to adhere to, in order to kill someone.


I don't have to offer due process to anyone.


Let get back on topic.



How I see it if I broke into your home and you shot me that would be 100% justified. You do not know my intentions, I could be there to hurt you or your family.


If I shot you in the back or while running away from stealing a £8 six pack of beer out of a shop that would be murder.

For a example earlier with the ferguson riots, shooting the looters would be justified as the looters could very well harm to the shop occupants.

Each case should judged individually on a case by case basis.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: Kryties

It goes both ways.

But after seeing Europe bend over for the terrorists-it makes me feel that American blood was wasted during WW 2 saving them from the Germans and Russians.


Fun fact, I'm Aussie not European. Fact checking is a MUST on this website.

And don't give me the nonsense about "We saved your ass in WW2". America only entered the war after many years of the Allies begging them to do so, and only when it was economically advantageous to do so. Prior to that the American bankers had been busy financing BOTH sides of the war.


I guess it makes sense for nations that happily allow themselves to be overrun with terrorists would be totally against any concept of self defense,defense of property,growing a pair,etc.


Happily allow themselves to be overrun? Now you're just talking complete rubbish. Nobody is happy with what the terrorists are doing.


I'm guessing that-no matter how many children of Europe die-you will just bend over EVEN FURTHER for the terrorists.


And I'm guessing, no actually I am confirming, that you are extracting nonsense from your rectum and posting it here as fact.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: FalcoFan


But after seeing Europe bend over for the terrorists-

UK has followed the US into ever wretched war in the ME Id hardly say we have bent over backwards.




originally posted by: FalcoFan
it makes me feel that American blood was wasted during WW 2 saving them from the Germans and Russians.




1) Russia was on the allies side in WW2

2) The US did not join the war to save anyone. It joined as the US was attacked by japan.

3) UK defended our selfs without US military help or charity. When you turned up at the end of 1941 we had beat the German attempts at a invasion.


sorry to go off topic but Hollywood history pisses me off.



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

I trust teachers more than cops, at least they're educated!



posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

if we had not intervened during ww2 Germans would have invented atomic bomb first and we all would have been screwed nice try though lol I'm starting to feel the same way about our involvement in helping Europe though maybe it was a waste of time because they have embraced a culture of liberal death and are doome I hope the U.S. does not embrace the same culture!
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posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 12:17 PM
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Wow, this topic has seriously been hijacked. How does WW2 play into a discussion about Texas use of force laws?



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