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Maybe there is something to (a part) of the chemtrail theory.

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posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 09:02 AM
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Theres better things or issues i could be wasting my breath on instead of trying to stop a plane at 45k feet alot easier theories i can explain to people instead of a plane spraying chemicals specifically to kill off population...a reply to: network dude




posted on Feb, 3 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: Jakal26

Thanks, Chad's thread went way more in depth on this. I was having a conversation the other day and tried like hell to get another poster to at least comprehend that if those elements were showing up in a localized area, it would be really, really important to look at more aspects than just saying "look up! It's chemtrails!" It could be a serious problem that hasn't been acknowledged yet.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: mrthumpy

This is one example on how these contrails stay around for a damn long time. Long enough to create clouds, and if it is just gas burning, then it is easy to suspect there is a high amount of acid rain, which is caused by high CO2. I also live in the plains where many, many, crops are grown. Below are examples, all of these pictures were taken on the same day in 2011 according to my files (had to search awhile to find them). And by the foliage it is easy for me to tell that it is Spring. It is not humid at all in spring unless it is after a rain and warm.









This planes contrails didn't last long as compared to the others, yet were taken within an hour of the others


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edit on 4-2-2015 by iDope because: added time of year



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: InverseLookingGlass


Well then, the ultra rich sure are stupid since the population is always increasing.

Sorry but I find the idea that some secret "ultra rich" group wants to cull us mere mortals laughable.


Wouldn't it make more sense to make many sick? To make people sick and offer a solution that only prolongs death while taking overpriced medicine on a daily basis while chemicals that are toxic are constantly sent down into the air and into the food.

The super rich obviously would have their hand in Big Pharm. Therefore making them more rich. They don't want to kill people in a week, they want to do it over 20+ years. Once there is a high dose of people dying in their 40's and 50's (oh wait, that is still happening and increasing) when a body's defense system starts deteriorating and can't defend against toxins like this, and start to produce cancerous cells. If someone didn't have health insurance, there is no way that person is going to afford therapy that is prescribed.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:11 AM
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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: network dude


Beyond that, the theory breaks down quickly. Spraying poison in the stratosphere over local geographic regions makes no sense. Spraying the stratosphere to affect weather (in the troposphere) makes very little sense.

The takeaway is to stay diligent about depopulation and being poisoned by corporations. Motive is certainly there and I would argue the opportunity is there. Watch your back.


Wouldn't said chemicals find their way down through the rain, thus into all crops and groundwater? Thus nearly forcing even organic only eaters to eat the toxins from the rain? Organic farmers can't control the water that is dropped on their crops, unless you only eat hydroponic indor grown food.

Depopulation doesn't have to happen in a swift motion, but to get everyone sick slowly and then propose a government run healthcare program would surely be a way to be the good guys and back door villains. Plus the super rich are obviously tied to GMO and Big Pharmo operations. Look at the tie in. Get people sick then sell them your drugs. That's pretty obvious to me.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:30 AM
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a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds
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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:33 AM
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originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds


So there is no denying they seed clouds with toxic fumes? It is not Water vapor escaping those jet engines.

Aerosol spray on the ground does not reach the upper atmosphere and has been proven to not be a cause for ozone depletion as those are heavier than air and couldn't reach that altitude.

What your saying is that jet exhaust is the same as clouds... How is that true? From your statement it would be a great interest to look into how much fuel a jet needs to burn compared to a normal vehicle. ! person to 1 vehicle, which causes more damage a jet or a car?

How many global warming proponents blame jets in comparison to cars? I think the people should dismiss what is told on every level of authority. If they tax carbon output on vehicles, jets would be number 1 on polluters by amount of fuel per cargo they carry (1-2 people in a fighter). why do fighter jets NEED to be flown 100's of times daily in a city when there is no need to fight anything? They have simulators. If those aren't good enough, then why would NASA use them to train pilots before they fly a rocket into space?


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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:37 AM
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originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds


So there is no denying they seed clouds with toxic fumes? It is not Water vapor escaping those jet engines.


Yes it is water vapour. Burning fuel creates around 1.4 tonnes of water for every tonne of fuel burned.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:51 AM
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originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds


So there is no denying they seed clouds with toxic fumes? It is not Water vapor escaping those jet engines.


Yes it is water vapour. Burning fuel creates around 1.4 tonnes of water for every tonne of fuel burned.




It is very important that jet fuel be free from water contamination. During flight, the temperature of the fuel in the tanks decreases, due to the low temperatures in the upper atmosphere. This causes precipitation of the dissolved water from the fuel. The separated water then drops to the bottom of the tank, because it is denser than the fuel. Since the water is no longer in solution, it can form droplets which can supercool to below 0 °C. If these supercooled droplets collide with a surface they can freeze and may result in blocked fuel inlet pipes.[17] This was the cause of the British Airways Flight 38 accident. Removing all water from fuel is impractical; therefore, fuel heaters are usually used on commercial aircraft to prevent water in fuel from freezing.




The air transport industry is responsible for 2 percent of man-made carbon dioxide emitted.[47] Boeing estimates that biofuels could reduce flight-related greenhouse-gas emissions by 60 to 80 percent. One possible solution which has received more media coverage than others would be blending synthetic fuel derived from algae with existing jet fuel:[48]


Jet Fuel Wiki


The differing species in jet exhaust include: unspent fuel, aluminum, sulfur, manganese, chromium, and barium. In Australian research that cites studies performed by government agencies from the United States, Australia, and France, a virtual cornucopia of metals and other inorganic species have been found in and around major airports. These inorganic elements are considered toxic in many instances, and we normally avoid them – but they’re a normal part of jet operations. The metallic species (i.e., manganese or chromium) result from the corrosion of sulfuric acid upon the jet engines, and the sulfuric acid results from sulfur-containing jet fuel. When the simplified conditions of jet exhaust meet with rumors about jet contrails being vehicles for poison gas, social experiments, or germ warfare, one is apt to come away bewildered and frightened, as well.


Contrail compostion



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:54 AM
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originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds


So there is no denying they seed clouds with toxic fumes? It is not Water vapor escaping those jet engines.


Yes it is water vapour. Burning fuel creates around 1.4 tonnes of water for every tonne of fuel burned.


So how do you suppose it is water vapor? Is it some type of hydrogen oxygen fueled combustion engine? That's great if so, but unfortunatley you are mistaken.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 02:56 AM
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originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds


So there is no denying they seed clouds with toxic fumes? It is not Water vapor escaping those jet engines.


Yes it is water vapour. Burning fuel creates around 1.4 tonnes of water for every tonne of fuel burned.


So how do you suppose it is water vapor? Is it some type of hydrogen oxygen fueled combustion engine? That's great if so, but unfortunatley you are mistaken.


It's hydrocarbon fuel. Burning it produces mostly CO2 and H2O, the oxygen comes from the air.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds


So there is no denying they seed clouds with toxic fumes? It is not Water vapor escaping those jet engines.


Yes it is water vapour. Burning fuel creates around 1.4 tonnes of water for every tonne of fuel burned.


So how do you suppose it is water vapor? Is it some type of hydrogen oxygen fueled combustion engine? That's great if so, but unfortunatley you are mistaken.


It's hydrocarbon fuel. Burning it produces mostly CO2 and H2O, the oxygen comes from the air.


I pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about or are here to spread disinfo.


Hydrocarbon poisoning such as that of benzene and petroleum usually occurs accidentally by inhalation or ingestion of these cytotoxic chemical compounds. Intravenous or subcutaneous injection of petroleum compounds with intent of suicide or abuse is an extraordinary event that can result in local damage or systemic toxicity such as tissue necrosis, abscess formation, respiratory system failure and partial damage to the kidneys, the brain and the nervous system. Moaddab and Eskandarlou report a case of chest wall necrosis and empyema resulting from attempting suicide by injection of petroleum into the pleural cavity.



Hydrocarbons can be gases (e.g. methane and propane), liquids (e.g. hexane and benzene), waxes or low melting solids (e.g. paraffin wax and naphthalene) or polymers (e.g. polyethylene, polypropylene and polystyrene).


Hydrocarbons



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:11 AM
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originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You're talking about atmospheric conditions on the ground. Planes fly high up in the air.

Contrails stay around for a long time and become clouds because they are clouds


So there is no denying they seed clouds with toxic fumes? It is not Water vapor escaping those jet engines.


Yes it is water vapour. Burning fuel creates around 1.4 tonnes of water for every tonne of fuel burned.


So how do you suppose it is water vapor? Is it some type of hydrogen oxygen fueled combustion engine? That's great if so, but unfortunatley you are mistaken.


It's hydrocarbon fuel. Burning it produces mostly CO2 and H2O, the oxygen comes from the air.



While there are many different uses for such molecules, fuels are by far the most prevalent. The bonds in many hydrocarbons contain a significant amount of energy that can be released when they are burned. Fossil fuels are made up of decayed organic matter, which is composed largely of molecules made up of hydrogen and carbon. Unfortunately, fossil fuels such as coal are considered nonrenewable resources since it can take organic matter millions of years to decay. Burning such fuels also releases gases into the atmosphere that can be harmful to the environment and to humans. Hydrocarbon fossil fuels come in two primary forms: liquid fuels, known as petroleum or mineral oil, and gaseous fossil fuels, known as natural gas. Coal is a solid fossil fuel. All are very important because of their high energy content, but none are renewable as they are all formed through decomposition. As such, scientists are always seeking alternatives to fossil fuel energy, such as wind or solar energy.

Hydrocarbon makeup



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:15 AM
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a reply to: iDope

You missed this bit from the start of that Wiki page


The majority of hydrocarbons found on Earth naturally occur in crude oil, where decomposed organic matter provides an abundance of carbon and hydrogen which, when bonded, can catenate to form seemingly limitless chains


And then there's...


Kerosene is a combustible hydrocarbon liquid widely used as a fuel



Today, kerosene is mainly used in fuel for jet engines in several grades.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:17 AM
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a reply to: iDope

Thank you for confirming what I've been saying



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: mrthumpy
a reply to: iDope

You missed this bit from the start of that Wiki page


The majority of hydrocarbons found on Earth naturally occur in crude oil, where decomposed organic matter provides an abundance of carbon and hydrogen which, when bonded, can catenate to form seemingly limitless chains


And then there's...


Kerosene is a combustible hydrocarbon liquid widely used as a fuel



Today, kerosene is mainly used in fuel for jet engines in several grades.


And how does burning these fuels create mostly water vapor? The highest number I have seen is 12% output of water vapor.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:38 AM
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originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: ATF1886

But contrails have chemicals too -





Mr.Thumpy, there is 3x's more CO2 than water vapor first of all (greenhouse emissions), and then all the trace chemicals (metals), which if put into clouds, seeded within, would fall in trace amounts within the water. Thus going into crops, ground water, etc.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:43 AM
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originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: ATF1886

But contrails have chemicals too -





Mr.Thumpy, there is 3x's more CO2 than water vapor first of all (greenhouse emissions), and then all the trace chemicals (metals), which if put into clouds, seeded within, would fall in trace amounts within the water. Thus going into crops, ground water, etc.


Yes, I said mostly CO2 and H20. The rest is made of of traces of other exhaust products. There are no metals mentioned on that graphic though.

Thank you for acknowledging I was correct about water vapour being produced, but an apology would have been nice too


I pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about or are here to spread disinfo.

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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:56 AM
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a reply to: mrthumpy

Every combustion engine produces water to some degree. I wasn't disputing that. What i"m disputing is the harm that all the other and added ingredients do. Sure the water vapor allows for easier cloud creation, but then all those chemicals get formed within the cloud.

You cannot call something "Water Vapour" when not even 1/3 of it is water. And a 91 out of 118 elements are metals. In astronomy all but Hydrogen and Helium are metals. So to say there are no metals in jet fuel exhaust is idiotic. Remember leaded fuel? thats a heavy metal. Metals still exist in fuels.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 04:06 AM
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originally posted by: iDope
a reply to: mrthumpy

Every combustion engine produces water to some degree. I wasn't disputing that. What i"m disputing is the harm that all the other and added ingredients do. Sure the water vapor allows for easier cloud creation, but then all those chemicals get formed within the cloud.

You cannot call something "Water Vapour" when not even 1/3 of it is water. And a 91 out of 118 elements are metals. In astronomy all but Hydrogen and Helium are metals. So to say there are no metals in jet fuel exhaust is idiotic. Remember leaded fuel? thats a heavy metal. Metals still exist in fuels.


Can you point out the metals in that graphic you posted?



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