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Are Atheists Invading Christianity To Destroy People's Faith From Within?

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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: WarminIndy

You are trying awfully hard to not answer a simple question that was obviously literal.

I never thought I would see someone practicing mental gymnastics on something like that. Thanks for the laugh.


No worries though because your unwillingness to answer directly illustrated perfectly to all how wrong you are about the definition of Atheism rendering your thinly veiled attempt to label atheism as a belief moot.


I said in what context.

Directly I gave you my answer, if you don't like my answer then don't bother with it.



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I already said literal.

Here is another one.

How many gods do you have a belief in?

Just so there is no misunderstanding this is the definition of belief.



be·lief
bəˈlēf/
noun
1.
an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
"his belief in the value of hard work"
something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.
"contrary to popular belief, Aramaic is a living language"
synonyms: opinion, view, conviction, judgment, thinking, way of thinking, idea, impression, theory, conclusion, notion
"it's my belief that age is irrelevant"
a religious conviction.
"Christian beliefs"
synonyms: ideology, principle, ethic, tenet, canon; More
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
"a belief in democratic politics"
synonyms: faith, trust, reliance, confidence, credence
"belief in the value of hard work"


Neither you nor I can say how many gods there are.

Are you saying impossible or improbable?


I didn't ask anything about probabilities.

The question is: How many gods do you have a belief in?

Since you are having a comprehension problem your answer should come in the form of a number.


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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

I can say.. there is one God. There is one entity who has all knowledge within HIMSELF, not given, not learned, but one who carries/holds all knowledge within HIMSELF.

Anything which does not hold knowledge within HIMSELF without it being given or learned is less than God. God is in a class without classification - and none compares to HIM.

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus 1 Timothy 2:5

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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: WarminIndy

I can say.. there is one God. There is one entity who has all knowledge within HIMSELF, not given, not learned, but one who carries/holds all knowledge within HIMSELF.
Anything which does not hold knowledge within HIMSELF without it being given or learned is less than God. God is in a class without classification - and none compares to HIM.

It provides, it created us to share knowledge of itself to us. It is given freely to understand itself/ourselves in relation to. Who will take up that challenge? God is not the parent of us, it is the inspiring factor to "know yourself through itself". Sounds like mumbo jumbo but God has a sense of humor (in that it spies to know itself through us).
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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: windword


LOL Constellations are not physical and tangible. There isn't a unicorn dancing in space. Constellations are pictures that are created in the imagination and the minds of men, much like gods are. They are something called Pareidolia But, it doesn't surprise me that you think that they are real! It's just Just like Christians to see something where is doesn't exist and claim it as proof!

windword you know better than that. Pareidolia is not simply a Christian thingy and you very well know it. The Chinese have their own set of constellations as well as the Hindus have their own set. They don't belong to the same IAU club as do the majority of the leading atheists. Who do you think runs the club? Christians? Man you are way off base on that one. You very well know that less then 20% of the sciences are confessed Christians and that most all universities in this country are controlled by atheists. Please confine your Christian bashing to believability because your shorts are showing on this one.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

being inspired to know yourself is only the first step of a long journey.. once you know yourself, then you can fully recognize what you are.. then you can move to the next step.

Stopping the journey because you are happy at that particular stage is your right, but there is more... much much more..



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: MKMoniker
The Atheists have gone stealthy now, starting websites and masked-discussions at sites like ATS. The headline seldom catches their OP, which is really a thinly disguised rant against the Bible and Christianity.
Their favorite tactics are to take all the contradictions in the Bible (which was written by many authors over many decades), or laboriously point out all the murders, and try to trick you into defending God, Jesus, and the Bible.

What Atheists do not realize is that Christians (with self determinism) chose to "opt out" on this specific belief system. This means they accept the parameters of such (one does not do this or that; one abides by the rules of the dogma). Atheists think anyone that accepts an organized religious 'dogma' is brainwashed. Not so; as free will is given to chose; its also called a vetting or 'discriminatory' evaluation before jumping in both feet. Hey Atheists, you realize Christianity experienced a 'reformation' period some years back that negated/solved some of the problems of the Old Testament, the killing, flaying the VIOLENCE APPLAUDED ADVOCATED. Atheists, why not take a look at Fascist Islamic Radicalism? NO VOICE HERE? They have not gone through a reformation and believe in texts 1000 years old. Turn your eyes and focus upon how they would perceive you; as they are dangerous (Islamo-facsists). You might be next on their hit list; after all you are absolutely GODLESS DISBELEIVERS; has to be a crime within the Islamic understanding of God (this HAS to be worse than HAVING any belief system OTHER than Islam). Good luck to you all.
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posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: WarminIndy

I can say.. there is one God. There is one entity who has all knowledge within HIMSELF, not given, not learned, but one who carries/holds all knowledge within HIMSELF.

Anything which does not hold knowledge within HIMSELF without it being given or learned is less than God. God is in a class without classification - and none compares to HIM.

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus 1 Timothy 2:5


So you can puke scripture? You've demonstrated that quite adequately. The question is whether you can engage in conversation using only your own words.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: MKMoniker
The Atheists have gone stealthy now, starting websites and masked-discussions at sites like ATS. The headline seldom catches their OP, which is really a thinly disguised rant against the Bible and Christianity.
Their favorite tactics are to take all the contradictions in the Bible (which was written by many authors over many decades), or laboriously point out all the murders, and try to trick you into defending God, Jesus, and the Bible.

What Atheists do not realize is that Christians (with self determinism) chose to "opt out" on this specific belief system. This means they accept the parameters of such (one does not do this or that; one abides by the rules of the dogma). Atheists think anyone that accepts an organized religious 'dogma' is brainwashed. Not so; as free will is given to chose; its also called a vetting or 'discriminatory' evaluation before jumping in both feet. Hey Atheists, you realize Christianity experienced a 'reformation' period some years back that negated/solved some of the problems of the Old Testament, the killing, flaying the VIOLENCE APPLAUDED ADVOCATED. Atheists, why not take a look at Fascist Islamic Radicalism? NO VOICE HERE? They have not gone through a reformation and believe in texts 1000 years old. Turn your eyes and focus upon how they would perceive you; as they are dangerous (Islamo-facsists). You might be next on their hit list; after all you are absolutely GODLESS DISBELEIVERS; has to be a crime within the Islamic understanding of God (this HAS to be worse than HAVING any belief system OTHER than Islam). Good luck to you all.


I wasn't aware that Christianity had dumped the Old Testament. So no more creation story, no more Moses, no more Abraham, and no more Ten Commandments. That's news to me. Thanks for the update.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: Grimpachi
I'm glad that thread helped to get us a good member.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: Tangerine

When speaking about God, it is best to use HIS Words, as they are more than just adequate. When I speak of myself I will use my words. This way, no one is misrepresented..

what i can do, however, is explain what HIS Words mean to us.. which is always helpful.
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posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: Seede




windword you know better than that. Pareidolia is not simply a Christian thingy and you very well know it.


I never said that it was a Christian thing. However, Christians seem to see Jesus, and Mary, in many various places and things and are likely to be the ones to use Pareidolia as proof of their faith.

But, for Warminindy to claiming that there ARE unicorns in space, as a rebuttal to Grimpachi use as an example of belief, because of the constellation Pegasus, is just the kind of intellectual dishonesty I've come to expect from some Christians.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: windword


I never said that it was a Christian thing. However, Christians seem to see Jesus, and Mary, in many various places and things and are likely to be the ones to use Pareidolia as proof of their faith. But, for Warminindy to claiming that there ARE unicorns in space, as a rebuttal to Grimpachi use as an example of belief, because of the constellation Pegasus, is just the kind of intellectual dishonesty I've come to expect from some Christians.

windword, you and I both know that in all honesty Grimpachi loves to dig holes and play the mind game. That is who he is and we both know that he baited Warminindy, on page 5, into one of his little mind games. Anything to discredit Christianity is his mind set. Warminindy is a very knowledgeable Christian that got sucker punched by Grimpachi and this entire subject should never have happened. All it did was give Grimpachi more fuel to ridicule whatever.

In our past encounters we have disagreed on Christianity many times and I know that you are well read and a worthy opponent in debate but this does not meet your intelligence and you well know it. Grimpachi made the remark that if one does not like his posts then don't read them. That is good common sense and that is why I most generally by pass his posts. Now if Grimpachi would contribute knowledge in his rants then I would try to gain some of what he tries to teach but almost always it is nothing but ridiculing and nonsense. Don't become a Grimpachi and waste your mind on this sort of nonsense. Just my opinion, naturally.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Seede




windword, you and I both know that in all honesty Grimpachi loves to dig holes and play the mind game.


Oh come on! It was a simple analogy about atheism and belief.




Do you lack belief that purple frolicking unicorns in Saturns rings rule the universe or do you chose to believe they don't?
www.abovetopsecret.com...


The answer to this question is NOT that the constellation Pegasus proves that there are unicorns in space. Who's really playing games here, Grimpachi or Warminindy? My vote is with the later, not the former.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: Seede

If anyone was digging a hole it was WarminIndy posting that atheism was a belief/world view and an active thought process. WarminIndy made sure to push that narrative not once but seven times in one post and falsely defined atheism while at the same time claiming atheists do not even understand their own world view. Then went on to push that narrative three more times.

Now maybe that post was bait that I went for it doesn't really matter. Falsely labeling atheism as a belief/religion does get my attention. There has been a push by religious groups to label and redefine atheism for quite a while and it is agenda driven. Some consciously know what they are attempting some do not but the entire premise is advocated from an offshoot of the Wedge strategy authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The manifesto's goal is to change American culture by shaping public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant, values. The leaked document became widely known in the Kitzmiller v. Dover court case where ID was being snuck into schools. Since then most groups have tried to downplay the Wedge Document but offshoots of the strategy have included rebranding atheism as a religion along with attempts to label evolution as its doctrine. The purpose is to label certain sciences as religious doctrine with hopes to have them removed from the curriculum.

So when I see someone making false statements that are certainly part of a religious agenda you can bet they are going to be challenged.

This is a conspiracy site and that is an exposed conspiracy being perpetrated by religious groups.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: Tangerine

When speaking about God, it is best to use HIS Words, as they are more than just adequate. When I speak of myself I will use my words. This way, no one is misrepresented..

what i can do, however, is explain what HIS Words mean to us.. which is always helpful.


God's words? IF you can't prove that God exists,you surely can't prove he wrote a book.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: MKMoniker
The Atheists have gone stealthy now, starting websites and masked-discussions at sites like ATS. The headline seldom catches their OP, which is really a thinly disguised rant against the Bible and Christianity.
Their favorite tactics are to take all the contradictions in the Bible (which was written by many authors over many decades), or laboriously point out all the murders, and try to trick you into defending God, Jesus, and the Bible.

What Atheists do not realize is that Christians (with self determinism) chose to "opt out" on this specific belief system. This means they accept the parameters of such (one does not do this or that; one abides by the rules of the dogma). Atheists think anyone that accepts an organized religious 'dogma' is brainwashed. Not so; as free will is given to chose; its also called a vetting or 'discriminatory' evaluation before jumping in both feet. Hey Atheists, you realize Christianity experienced a 'reformation' period some years back that negated/solved some of the problems of the Old Testament, the killing, flaying the VIOLENCE APPLAUDED ADVOCATED. Atheists, why not take a look at Fascist Islamic Radicalism? NO VOICE HERE? They have not gone through a reformation and believe in texts 1000 years old. Turn your eyes and focus upon how they would perceive you; as they are dangerous (Islamo-facsists). You might be next on their hit list; after all you are absolutely GODLESS DISBELEIVERS; has to be a crime within the Islamic understanding of God (this HAS to be worse than HAVING any belief system OTHER than Islam). Good luck to you all.


I wasn't aware that Christianity had dumped the Old Testament. So no more creation story, no more Moses, no more Abraham, and no more Ten Commandments. That's news to me. Thanks for the update.

YOU ARE WELCOME!! (if I can update you anytime let me know). The Christians wrote a 'shiny new' (good news testament) Epistle that supersedes the old testaments (still cant figure the old one (texts) attached to the new (BIBLE) but blame in on some old traditions; (Jesus was a Jew, the ignored prophesied messiah within that dogma; someone thought it was a good idea to bootstrap them together). I prefer the dis-included Gnostic texts (far more interesting).
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posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: Tangerine

The proof of God is a posteriori knowledge - this is why God is a personal God... HE must be experienced, then you will have your own empirical evidence of God.

I do not need to prove God to you... but if you like you can seek HIM. Although if you choose not to, this is your choice. It is a personal choice with the evidence being empirical.

God is there, should you so choose to seek. I have my evidence, the proof is in my body... for you - the proof will be in your body when and if you choose to seek HIM.
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posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: MKMoniker

In short, yes, we are.

I am looking to infect you at this very moment.

What an amazingly "I'm a victim" thread. Aren't there other venues on the internet for "you folks" ?


Don't worry, I won't be back to this thread. Don't bother replying. I'll be sending CIA encoded messages to you through your baby monitor's use of the your unsecured wifi network.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: Tangerine

The proof of God is a posteriori knowledge - this is why God is a personal God... HE must be experienced, then you will have your own empirical evidence of God.

I do not need to prove God to you... but if you like you can seek HIM. Although if you choose not to, this is your choice. It is a personal choice with the evidence being empirical.

God is there, should you so choose to seek. I have my evidence, the proof is in my body... for you - the proof will be in your body when and if you choose to seek HIM.


Yeah, it's a POSTERIORi all right.

On the contrary, if you want to claim that God's existence is fact, you do need to prove it. And if you want to claim that it's a fact that God wrote/authored a book, you need to prove it. Unless, of course, you don't expect us to accept your claim as fact.



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: vethumanbeing

being inspired to know yourself is only the first step of a long journey.. once you know yourself, then you can fully recognize what you are.. then you can move to the next step.
Stopping the journey because you are happy at that particular stage is your right, but there is more... much much more..

Enlightenment. There is not enough time within this lifespan to fully understand what it is; however I am using every moment living in the 'now' to explore the reservoirs (all wealth of knowledge available) to understand why I incarnated here as a material being; it has not been a futile search (will never stop the journey of self discovery, the relationship I have with a higher creator being). Thank you.



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