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posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 02:23 PM
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Everyone knows that the birth of Jesus is celebrated on December 25th every single year. I understand that it used to be observed on January 6th, however Midievel royalty changed it to December 25th so as not to interfere with another standing holiday.
OK, here is my question. Easter, the holiday which celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, is always on a different day, and sometimes even different months. Why is this? Do we not know for sure when he died? Considering it would be the greatest story ever if is true, shouldn't it be documented as to the exact day?




posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 02:34 PM
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Christians like to have Easter fall on a Sunday because the Bible said he was resurrected on the Sabbath. Like it really matters what day of the week it is if it's so important.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 04:24 PM
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It's academic anyway, it's acknowledged that there is no proof of when exactly Christ was born or when he died, and that we use a completely different calendar to that of biblical times. The 25th has always been a festival.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 04:36 PM
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as i understand it, Christmas was put on Dec. 25 because thats when another pagan holiday was. The Catholic church commonly incorperated pagan holidays in efforts to make conversion easier. Easter Sunday, as it is sometimes called, is on different months, not sure exactly why, but as was stated by Ikku its always put on a sunday because it celebrates Jesus rising on sunday. Exact dates are hard to determine due to conflicts with the Jewish calander and the current standard, and exact dates weren't considered important at the time of the writing of the New Testement, the writers were focusing on the fact that Jesus was born and that he rose again. Its much the same today, its known that Jesus birth is celebrated on a pagan holiday, but its not when its celebrated thats important, but what is being celebrated.

its hard to determine any dates due to cross over of the Jewish calender and the current one. many believe that Christ's birth, which is supposed to take place at year 0 AD or CE, whatever it is now, might be off by as much as 3 years, possibly putting his birth at 3 BC, or whatever the new dating name thing is. BCE?



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 04:42 PM
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Did you know that according to the Bible for those who havent read it.Jesus had two sisters and a brother called James.irrelevent i know but what the #



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 05:31 PM
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Jesus 'official' Hebrew birthday was September 15th before it was changed in 314AD by the roman emporer Constantine to December 25th to commemorate the birth of Sol Invictus, in the festival of Saturnalia.

The date of Easter was changed in 644AD at the Synod of Whitby to correspond with the festival of Eostre, the celtic godess of fertility (hence the eggs and rabbits).



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 05:35 PM
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Actually it is said that his birth year might be off by as far as six years, putting his birth year at 6 BCE.

And I've never heard of Jesus having any siblings, could you point me to the exact location in the Bible? I do remember Robin Williams talking about how Jesus was an only child because no one would want to be "Jerry the Brother of Christ." But he's only a comic, I dunno.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 05:38 PM
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does it really matter what day? not really. i myself am not a practicing christian,but i have christmas traditions(tree,gifts,love,family,all of that). if it makes people calm down and appreciate what they have,it doesn't matter what the scientific date is.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 05:40 PM
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wanted to add this. my neighboor has a lighted cross out for christmas(jesus' birth not death),but if that's what this time reminds them of,it's cool with me.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 05:40 PM
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Yah. Comes down to respecting the action, not the day it happend on.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 05:54 PM
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Just as we have a mid-summers night there is a "mid-winters night", the longest night of the year. This was celebrated by the pagans because after it the days starts getting longer again, meaning the return of summer.

This is where the tradition of bringing light in to the homes comes from (presumably to help things along), so a cross of light must be the perfect match of pagan and christian celebrations.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 06:05 PM
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I would much rather have you respect the action then the day.. (respect is a good choice of words)
Although it is nonetheless all symbolic, even the thoughts are symbolic, its all very very fruitless quite honestly, its all a barrier/wall, the fact he was trying to prove is you are contantly at rest in the now, as if no time has passed, because time passing is just symbols moving about, after he died he spoke with the deciples and explained to them, THEY are even symbols/icons and so is Jesus, all physical creations are symbols/icons... The problem is the vatican definately didn't want you to UNDERSTAND what Jesus was explaining, because once you understand, the Vatican and any church you attend wholly becomes useless, our interests globally would shift and an evolution of the mind would occur, but alas 'the pharisees do not enter and do not allow anyone else to enter'
No matter what this will all come to pass.

God has done VERY well, it may be coincidence (but I don't believe in that)
but there is no exact dates for his birth or death, because Jesus did NOT actually want anyone to worship or celebrate on any one given day, Trust me Jesus is a good planner... Because of that uncertainty is causes people (knowledge seeking people) to track down the certainties, so they are guaranteed for themselves on his existance. The things you find along the way just might change your thought process... lol



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 06:09 PM
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Actually its interesting that the birthday of Jesus is false, which shows its not that important in the scheme of things. However the day of Jesus death is known EXACTLY.

It falls on the Passover, the ancient jewish holiday comemorating when the jews left Egypt.

Passover begins on the 15th day of the Jewish month of Nissan. As the Jewish day begins at sundown the night before, for the year 2004, the first night of Passover will be April 05th.

April 23, 2005 (Sat)
April 12, 2006 (Weds)
April 04, 2007 (Tue)
April 20, 2008 (Sun)

I think Easter then is taken to the sunday before the passover date.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 06:14 PM
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The changes of dates are a compass that piont to the inescapable conclusion that modern Christianity has been altered out of all resemblance to the Essene doctine that Jesus taught...

When I tune in to my television and see Crefalo Dollar telling me that the Lord promises me life in abundance, and explains this in monetary terms, I wonder how Jesus would feel if he were to hear this...



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 06:24 PM
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Another source of confusion. Although Christmas is celebrated on the 25th in the English speaking countries, many countries celebrates it in the evening on the 24th.

For me, the 25th is just another bank holiday...


Anyway, back to the day of his death. I heard this theory that Jesus death was faked and he lived as a monk in Kashmir until his death at 80 or so. If anyone is familiar with this theory, does anyone know what date this monk (Jesus or not) died on?



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Flange Gasket
The changes of dates are a compass that piont to the inescapable conclusion that modern Christianity has been altered out of all resemblance to the Essene doctine that Jesus taught...

When I tune in to my television and see Crefalo Dollar telling me that the Lord promises me life in abundance, and explains this in monetary terms, I wonder how Jesus would feel if he were to hear this...


Jesus would destroy them... dispatch them...
you should read the infancy gospels .. also read certain parts of the bible and Jesus had people falling dead at his feet with just words... Mr. Dollar himself has tortures coming that he himself cannot fathom, the material symbols he prides in will toy with him and destroy him.

The days are coming when he will return, the right people are starting to get fed up, people who are dead to physicalilty are a frightening force to reckon with...



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 12:28 PM
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easter was set on a sunday for the same reasons that the day of worship was changed. to coincide with the official Roman day of rest " the Venerabal Day of the SUN." Sunday, and to further distance the roman church its Jewish roots.

the first date for easter was set ( as i recall) at the nicean council. something like " the second sunday after the third thursday of the firast week of the fourth
month. or something like that.



posted on Dec, 25 2004 @ 02:57 PM
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that Easter must be celebrated by all throughout the world on the same Sunday;
that this Sunday must follow the fourteenth day of the paschal moon;
that that moon was to be accounted the paschal moon whose fourteenth day followed the spring equinox;
that some provision should be made, probably by the Church of Alexandria as best skilled in astronomical calculations, for determining the proper date of Easter and communicating it to the rest of the world (see St. Leo to the Emperor Marcian in Migne, P.L., LIV, 1055).

Easter ceremonies can be traced to the worship of Isis as well, ( ishtar, Astarte, etc). This intermingling of religions is pretty common through History.



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 12:08 PM
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Last year some astronomers in Romania claimed to have pinpointed the exact hour of Christs death to 3pm on Friday, April 3, 33 AD and the hour he rose again as Sunday, April 5 at 4am.

Full story is in this thread, can't post the full article:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 26-12-2004 by kegs]



posted on Dec, 26 2004 @ 12:13 PM
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Well....for starters the "Sabbath" was not originally "Sunday" calendars were different back then....I think it would actually be "Saturday"



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