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An interesting aspect of these is the correlation of the seed pod and seeds symbolism which is highly reminiscent of the Dogon Fish people tradition, any thoughts on that?
Anthropologists first learned of the connection between Sirius and the Dogon in 1931. The Dogon claim that Sirius, or rather an invisible companion star around Sirius, is one of most important things in the sky.
According to the Dogon, Sirius is called sigi tolo, and it has a tiny unseen companion called po tolo, or "deep beginning." This star po tolo is associated with the fonio grain, which is native to Africa, and the Dogon call po. This po grain is the smallest grain the Dogon know of, and was the first of the eight different seeds made by the creator, Amma.
The Dogon say the po grain is just like the star po tolo, tiny, white and very heavy. According to the Dogon creation myth, all things emerged from this star, just as all the other grain emerged from the first po seed grain.
The Dogon say that the star Po is the heaviest of stars, and used to be where our Sun is now. Then Po and the other stars all moved away from the Sun. But even though Po tolo has moved, it is still important. It is the "center of the sky." Po tolo’s influence keeps the other stars in place. The dogon say that Po tolo circles around Sirius once every fifty years.
Ironsmiths hold a special status in Dogon society. And, until recently, they were required to make an annual pilgrimage to Lake Bosumtwi in Ghana. Lake Bosumtwi is considered a sacred place and the location where the first ironsmith initiate learned ironsmithing from the Nummo. The lake is considered equally sacred by other groups including the Bambara and the Maliniki tribes who, according to the Dogon, originated with them from the same group.
The Dogon knew, in the 1940’s, that Lake Bosumtwi was formed by a meteor impact and they described it in great detail including the direction and angle of entry of the meteor. Modern geologists, however, did not even seriously speculate that the lake was formed by a meteor impact until 1979 largely because it is situated in a dense jungle forest that limited access to the lake. (see omzg.sscc.ru... ). The debate went back and forth for years as to whether or not the lake was formed by an impact until recent evidence positively confirmed its meteor origins dated to 1.07 million years ago.
The entire work of Digitaria is summarized in a drawing whose various parts are carried out in the following order:
a vertical line issues from the oval - the first shoot to emerge from the sac;
another segment, the second shoot, takes up a crosswise position, and thus supplies the four cardinal points: the stage of the world. The straightness of these two segments symbolizes the continuity of things, their perseverance in one state.
Last, a third shoot, taking the place of the first, gives it the form of an oval which is open in its lower section, and surrounds the base of the vertical segment. The curved form, as opposed to the straight, suggests the transformation and progress of things. The personage thus obtained, called the 'life of the world', is the created being, the agent, the microcosm summarizing the universe
With that attitude Pippin there won't even be any message board...
I'm not saying the people were of extra-terrestrial in origin per se, though they appear to have had contact traditions and suggestions of inter-breeding, and any advanced knowledge received was practical in terms of irrigation, clay firing, cultivation, animal management and ordering of society that would facilitate establishing civilization themselves, like the traditions indicate, they simply taught.
originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: Kantzveldt
After reading the title I came here getting reading to gripe but this thread is excellent and well put together mate. Great pics as well.
originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: Chronogoblin
You sure are bitter today! [thread about Springer's files]
The connection is that a primordial couple depicted on a seal with 3 seeds in a pod and animals and such, were found in Paradise [Eden] that is, the Sumerians' idea of Eden, in Bahrain. As the Bible is mostly taken from Mesopotamian mythology and culture, this could be Eden's origins!
Even the dead kept watch. They sat upright in their graves, men and women, and faced the river, waiting, it seemed, for the waters to roil again with massive, steel-grey fish. The sturgeon, barbeled giants with rows of bony scutes down their backs, appeared each spring in Serbia’s Danube Gorge, after battling the current all the way from the Black Sea. The largest of these fish weighed more than a dozen men.
Zivaljevic and some of her colleagues think that the people of Lepenski Vir saw the returning sturgeon as ancestors, fish ancestors. They sculpted boulders into rotund figurines that are half human-half sturgeon. One has the eyes and nose of a human being, but the distinctive mouth of a sturgeon: along its upper back, the artists sculpted a row of scutes. There is no clear distinction or boundary between fish and human: they are one and the same
Also words like SATAN comes from Kronos or SET or SAT, or SETH, or Sabbaoth... And those who hated Zeus/DIAS in our modern history, about 2000 ago, they created the word " DIABOLO " and that means the life of Zeus (Life of DIAS ), humans today use both words but they reflect in 2 different entities Zeus and Kronos