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Richard Dawkins Reads His Fan (hate) Mail -HAHA!

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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
This is why ATS has terms and conditions and fine moderators, without which, it'd be pretty much the same insults directed at the atheists here.


Seriously. That is why there is a revolving door of Creationists who come through this website. They come in, post the same lies and information as the previous crop of Creationists, get upset when called out on their bs, then start hurling insults and end up banned. A few months later, enter the new crop.


Except me, I have never been banned.

Did I ever hurl personal insults at you? Nope. Have you ever hurled personal insults at Creationists? Probably.

Pot, meet kettle.


Oh I know there are a few of you who can manage to refrain from such actions. That doesn't make my analysis any less valid though. The people in my camp are usually the same people refuting the same points. There is very little turnover. The people in your camp have high turnover. Looking at the way they argue, it is no surprise.

But, no I don't hurl insults at Creationists. I am actually very rarely infracted on this website because I try to respect the rules of proper debate. This means I know that ad hominems are useless to further my points. Though I welcome you to actually look for an ad hominem in one of my posts.
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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
This is why ATS has terms and conditions and fine moderators, without which, it'd be pretty much the same insults directed at the atheists here.


Seriously. That is why there is a revolving door of Creationists who come through this website. They come in, post the same lies and information as the previous crop of Creationists, get upset when called out on their bs, then start hurling insults and end up banned. A few months later, enter the new crop.


Except me, I have never been banned.

Did I ever hurl personal insults at you? Nope. Have you ever hurled personal insults at Creationists? Probably.

Pot, meet kettle.


Oh I know there are a few of you who can manage to refrain from such actions. That doesn't make my analysis any less valid though. The people in my camp are usually the same people refuting the same points. There is very little turnover. The people in your camp have high turnover. Looking at the way they argue, it is no surprise.

But, no I don't hurl insults at Creationists. I am actually very rarely infracted on this website because I try to respect the rules of proper debate. This means I know that ad hominems are useless to further my points. Though I welcome you to actually look for an ad hominem in one of my posts.


Are you like me and after a long debate on a thread, forget the whole debate and the username we debated with?

I do that all the time.

We've had some good rows on ATS. But there are sometimes for some people you just want to say "Are you insane?" Happens all the time.

I think Dawkins is a nut, but at least he gets a giggle out of only showing one side of the discussion. He neglects to show his own side of saying mean things to Creationists.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: ghostrager

Many religious people are crazy, they don't follow their own ethics - sometimes it seems like they are trying hard to violate them. Unfortunately, there are mostly religious people out there.

On a side note, I wrote some nasty mail to Dawkins before. That's why I clicked on this thread. I haven't watched the video yet.
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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: ghostrager

This always makes me roar with laughter - religious people will tell you they don't judge, they mustn't wish someone ill yet they send hate-mail - beggaqrs belief in their hypocrisy.

You don't agree with someone you don't send them hate-mail they havve a right to their opinion just as you do but that's where it ends unless some dink thinks he can do the pious popsie to your face.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy
Are you like me and after a long debate on a thread, forget the whole debate and the username we debated with?

I do that all the time.


That usually happens if I pick up a debate again after being off line for the night or even the weekend.


We've had some good rows on ATS. But there are sometimes for some people you just want to say "Are you insane?" Happens all the time.


It does, but I try to refrain myself from making those statements. It isn't productive and those people are the types I already know that nothing I say will change their minds; so my words are more for the benefit of the people reading the thread instead of for the actual person I am talking to.


I think Dawkins is a nut, but at least he gets a giggle out of only showing one side of the discussion. He neglects to show his own side of saying mean things to Creationists.


He can be mean. I certainly don't revere him as much as others around here do. I personally like Bill Nye or Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Then again I also disagree with Dawkins' assertion of atheism. I think that the theistic crowd has a point in that no one can DISPROVE god. Therefore I think it is foolish to definitively say that a god doesn't exist. I do think that one existing is very unlikely though.
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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Have you noticed though, the chain yanking the OP did?

Post with a catchy title, then sit back and watch the ensuing debates (fights).

How many anti-religious people jumped on here to give their opinions about "Fundamentalists"? Chain yanking.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

OP brought up a fair point though. There are many Christians who act very unchristian in regards to people who hold beliefs that are different than theirs.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WarminIndy

OP brought up a fair point though. There are many Christians who act very unchristian in regards to people who hold beliefs that are different than theirs.


Yes, but then again, why hold Christians to a higher moral standard than one is unwilling to place upon themselves?

Christians are people too, some don't understand Christianity and some do. But when one fails to see that Christians are simply people too, maybe they will understand that Christians make mistakes, just like everyone else.

And since when is it ok for someone who is not Christian dictate to Christians how Christians should act? It is so easy to call Christians hypocrites, but most people are hypocritical. Nay, this criticism of Christianity is not about Christians being right or wrong, it is just about a world view that some people have chosen to criticize because it is now pop culture to do so.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy
Yes, but then again, why hold Christians to a higher moral standard than one is unwilling to place upon themselves?


Christians tend to create their own morality or say it is decided by god for them then get mad at others for not practicing said morality. Atheists don't have a predetermined morality, just what their conscious tells them is wrong and is right.


Christians are people too, some don't understand Christianity and some do. But when one fails to see that Christians are simply people too, maybe they will understand that Christians make mistakes, just like everyone else.


I think sending an atheist a death threat for voicing his disbelief in Christian dogma goes a LITTLE beyond making a mistake and into full blown hate.


And since when is it ok for someone who is not Christian dictate to Christians how Christians should act? It is so easy to call Christians hypocrites, but most people are hypocritical. Nay, this criticism of Christianity is not about Christians being right or wrong, it is just about a world view that some people have chosen to criticize because it is now pop culture to do so.


Well a simple reading of the bible is supposed to illuminate and dictate how Christians are supposed to act. All it takes is someone cross referencing someone's actions with the bible to see if they are in line or not. One doesn't have to be a Christian to do this cross-examining.

But I see your point about being upset that outsiders would have the gall to tell a Christian how to behave. But keep in mind, Christians have been doing that FAR longer then it has been in vogue to do it to Christians. Y'all have a BIG leg up in that department.

You do know that every non-violent crime in this country can trace its roots back to Christian morality crusades? Prostitution, gambling, drugs, alcohol; ALL those temperance movements started with Christians telling others how to live.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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Some people will just never get it…..



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: WarminIndy
Yes, but then again, why hold Christians to a higher moral standard than one is unwilling to place upon themselves?


Christians tend to create their own morality or say it is decided by god for them then get mad at others for not practicing said morality. Atheists don't have a predetermined morality, just what their conscious tells them is wrong and is right.


Christians are people too, some don't understand Christianity and some do. But when one fails to see that Christians are simply people too, maybe they will understand that Christians make mistakes, just like everyone else.


I think sending an atheist a death threat for voicing his disbelief in Christian dogma goes a LITTLE beyond making a mistake and into full blown hate.


And since when is it ok for someone who is not Christian dictate to Christians how Christians should act? It is so easy to call Christians hypocrites, but most people are hypocritical. Nay, this criticism of Christianity is not about Christians being right or wrong, it is just about a world view that some people have chosen to criticize because it is now pop culture to do so.


Well a simple reading of the bible is supposed to illuminate and dictate how Christians are supposed to act. All it takes is someone cross referencing someone's actions with the bible to see if they are in line or not. One doesn't have to be a Christian to do this cross-examining.

But I see your point about being upset that outsiders would have the gall to tell a Christian how to behave. But keep in mind, Christians have been doing that FAR longer then it has been in vogue to do it to Christians. Y'all have a BIG leg up in that department.

You do know that every non-violent crime in this country can trace its roots back to Christian morality crusades? Prostitution, gambling, drugs, alcohol; ALL those temperance movements started with Christians telling others how to live.


Let me disagree with a few points here...

I do not agree with sending death threats, but atheists do that also. Let's call that a human problem.

Well, let me disagree with the last part...it is not Christianity or religion that brought about those problems, but the lack of religious faith.

You cannot lay the fault of prostitution onto the Christians as right now there are a lot of atheists who are buying prostitutes as we speak. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, but prostitution sure ain't the cause of Christianity, but if you don't believe me, let's go down to the streets and ask the ladies if their pimps are Christians. Prostitution is oftentimes a very violent crime.

Temperance Movement didn't work and after they ended, alcoholism and gambling became very mainstream again. Remind me again what a Flapper was. And a Speakeasy, certainly wasn't a church.

Those things, please do not lay at the Christians' door, because it wasn't Christians promoting those things throughout history.

But let me ask this, that atheist who is right now paying that prostitute, they are getting high and drunk...are either one of them talking about God at this moment? I think not.

All these things you mentioned, ancient problems. Even the Greeks and Romans partook of that. And like I said in another thread, the Kama Sutra itself is descriptive of sex, prostitution, homosexuality, drinking, gambling, rape and adultery. It's not a Christian responsibility.

But these things certainly should be reviewed historically, because it wasn't Christians who caused those problems, rather, it is people who love those things who keep it alive. Those things are the result of no religious faith.

Right now, you, as an atheist, certainly aren't going to talk about God with your friends when they do porn searches. I am not saying you do it, but how many atheists have you seen talk about God when they are out drinking? Do they blame it on Christianity when they are slamming back those double fisted fruit cocktails?



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

what are you on about>?
"Right now, you, as an atheist, certainly aren't going to talk about God with your friends when they do porn searches."
Are you one of the love letter writers to Dawkins?

"I do not agree with sending death threats, but atheists do that also. " Urgh please for the love of your god, just stop.

"You cannot lay the fault of prostitution onto the Christians as right now there are a lot of atheists who are buying prostitutes as we speak. " LOl just lol.

"sex, prostitution, homosexuality, drinking, gambling, rape and adultery. It's not a Christian responsibility. " sigh~ ok tell that to the 4 kids in my school that were raped by priest, and the 18 kids molested by the church leader across the street. Its everyones responsibility.

"But let me ask this, that atheist who is right now paying that prostitute, they are getting high and drunk...are either one of them talking about God at this moment? I think not. " I swear, you are actually killing me….


What are you blathering about in this thread? Can't you just look at the video and say, yeah that behaviour is unchristian like and lame?
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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Can't follow. Because fortune requires mysticism?



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: WarminIndy

what are you on about>?
"Right now, you, as an atheist, certainly aren't going to talk about God with your friends when they do porn searches."
Are you one of the love letter writers to Dawkins?

"I do not agree with sending death threats, but atheists do that also. " Urgh please for the love of your god, just stop.

"You cannot lay the fault of prostitution onto the Christians as right now there are a lot of atheists who are buying prostitutes as we speak. " LOl just lol.

"sex, prostitution, homosexuality, drinking, gambling, rape and adultery. It's not a Christian responsibility. " sigh~ ok tell that to the 4 kids in my school that were raped by priest, and the 18 kids molested by the church leader across the street. Its everyones responsibility.

"But let me ask this, that atheist who is right now paying that prostitute, they are getting high and drunk...are either one of them talking about God at this moment? I think not. " I swear, you are actually killing me….


What are you blathering about in this thread? Can't you just look at the video and say, yeah that behaviour is unchristian like and lame?


And those priests should be horsewhipped. Did I say that it came from Christians? No, it came from a lack of religious faith, obviously those priests don't believe in the tenets of their faith.

Would I write Dawkins? No, he's not fabulous or important enough to comment to.

Yes, I agree, everyone's responsibile for rape of children, but krazyshot didn't mention rape. And tell me, how long has prostitution, gambling and drinking been around? Long before Christianity, so it isn't Christianity's fault, if you would please read krazyshot's comment to me.

But let's get down to the nitty gritty, tell me, of the millions of girls prostituted right now all over the world, how many were put there specifically by churches?

Some of them might have come from churches, but if the church failed them then the church is accountable. But right now, those girls who are prostituted, who is buying their services?

WHO right now is looking at porn? Yes, some Christians, but yes a lot of atheists.

Right now, this moment, what is going on in the world as we speak presently? And you would have the world to think it is the fault of Christianity when you have very unChristian atheist pimps all over the world prostituting children.

And might I remind you, the country with the highest child sex trafficking is Thailand, which is a Buddhist country.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

I can't help you, and I don't want to read your hateful and at times disconnected from reality nonsense anymore.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: WarminIndy

I can't help you, and I don't want to read your hateful and at times disconnected from reality nonsense anymore.


Why do you think you should help me? Do you have an altruistic sense of "helping" people on these threads?

The reality is going on right at this minute, I asked you to think about what is going on right now around the world, and you call me disconnected and hateful.

Right now, what is going on in the world?

Girls are prostituted by atheists, but who cares.
Children are raped by evil people, but only call the religious ones evil.
Children are starving on the streets while so-called altruistic atheists are calling Christians evil and stepping over the starving children.

YOU seem to be the one who can't face the reality that neither Christianity nor atheism makes good people. Christianity though, does say that acts are evil. But you can't look that straight in the eye and challenge it, all you can do is find another Christian to "help" because you think that this Christian doesn't see what is going on in the world right now.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

OKaaaaaaay.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: WarminIndy

OKaaaaaaay.



Please tell me why you think you need to "help" me.

Is that your mission in life? To "help"?



posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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This is hilarious. It is almost like a crazy girlfriend that insults you but still loves you.



posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: celticdog

Except the crazy girlfriend is usually great in the sack too, so you don't mind the crazy so much.



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