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NLBS #35: The Anti-Vaccination Movement and the Measles Outbreak

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posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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I always think the following is quite interesting, specifically under "Can I have Visitors?"



So it really pulls the rug out from the idea that vaccinated people are safe for others to be around. Sure, this is not talked about a lot, because they want you to take the vaccine, but if you're a post surgical patient or have cancer, THEY TELL YOU this not insignificant fact. In fact, it could easily be argued that the fact that we continue to vaccinate against measles might be what KEEPS measles from fading away completely. If everyone simply GOT measles, mothers would pass the antibodies onto their babies when they were pregnant. Over time, everyone would be immune to measles. Not so with vaccinations which only last 10 years and whose antibodies can't be passed onto babies when pregnant. And of course there's the whole polio debacle - polio having been eradicated from North America by the 1980s and REINTRODUCED BACK INTO THE POPULATION through the nasal polio vaccine.
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posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

I see what you are getting at there and under most circumstances I might even be inclined to agree with your logic, however since the discussion is about vaccinations my child would receive I would have to still disagree that a low dose of mercury is not dangerous.

Speaking from personal experience when talking to our original pediatrician about Mercury and aluminum being major concerns we were having with the vaccines we were offerd the thimersol (Mercury) free vaccines. We were assured they contained no Mercury as tested by the FDA and that for all intents and purposes that it was the same as the first shot they wanted to give.

We still chose to wait and requested the documentation of the ingredients in the shots they wanted to give.

It turns out according to the FDA and our doctor at the time as well that 1 or less microgram of mercury is the same thing as no Mercury at all. I found this first fact to be a little off putting to say the least. To say more I would tell you I was flat out lied to and mislead.

Next I start doing some some math.

1 microgram per shot multipled by the number of shots (53) recommended by the American medical association we get 53mg of mercury being injected before the child is even 6 years old.

These numbers are not exact as some contain less thimersol and some in fact contain much much more. Mind you this is the "Mercury free" route.

So 53 micrograms of mercury is consider to be the same as not being exposed to Mercury at all.

It was very alarming and still is.

No more faith could be put into a doctor who was very obviously just saying what she was told to say.

To tell concerned parents that this shot contains no Mercury when it in fact does is beyond negligent its criminal to the parents who take a dr at their word because "well they know better than us"

At what point does a child become someone who has been exposed to a dangerous toxin like Mercury.

The risks versus the benefits is what anyone concerned one way or the other should be asking themselves.

To us we would rather have our child catch something and be treated for it than to be injected with questionable substances that can potentially destroy the rest of their lives. We have a smart and healthy child and we intended they stay that way.

In fact our baby would consistently hit milestones months before other children the same age.

We didn't think much of it at first but then it dawned on me that perhaps the lack of mercury and other toxins our child had versus the other children allowed our child's brain to develop properly, the way it should.

It wasn't that we had a special or smart child, it was that our child was not being impeded by these poisonous concotions.

We had a normal child nothing more or less, but by comparison to the other kids ours was always way ahead of the curve.

This was not a decision we took lightly nor was it one we made overnight.

And to be totally honest I was the parent on the other side of the fence on this issue at first. I use to beleive in vaccines myself until I read a lot more about the "research" that goes into these scientific studies that "prove" these dangerous things are safe.

If you think it is safe for your child to get then by all means go right ahead.

Me, I eventually came around to the idea that the rise in these childhood illness we see more and more nowadays is in direct correlation with the increase in vaccines being administered to children under the age of 6. This was no mere coincidence to me and my family but seemed pretty plain to see was cause and effect.

There is something to this and that's why it hasn't gone away because there is more to this story than any of us are being told.




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posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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Lets all get vacinated... Check this out real fast..
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I have known about this because meh, pgh and all but here is something to chew on..

You get a vaccine for MMR.. It works.. no yes maybe probably not..



Sidney Crosby had both vaccines. How did he still get infected?

The vaccine isn’t perfect. Even two doses may not be enough.

There is a group of people who get two shots and just don't respond, and doctors say the reasons for that aren’t exactly clear.

"It's like they don't have the factory to make the antibodies," says Lin. "So with the players, the NHL is trying to figure out which group they belong to."
Mumps Vaccine

The mumps vaccine is more effective in two doses, but even then it might not be enough. (Charlie Neibergall/Associated Press)

People born between 1970 and 1992 represent a group with only partial protection against mumps and are most at risk. A single shot was common at the time, and two doses did not become standard until the mid-1990s. (Born in 1987, Sidney Crosby was in the group that had only one MMR shot as a child; his booster came as he was about to travel to the Sochi Winter Olympics in February.)

"That age range with that team environment in a locker room — if the virus is introduced with close contact an outbreak would not be that uncommon," said Dr. Shelley Deeks, medical director of immunization and vaccine-preventable disease for Public Health Ontario.

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention in the U.S. is working with the NHL to control the outbreak, and Lin says it’s too early to tell if this is a potential new strain of the virus.

"Right now there should be no worries of a mass outbreak or panic," he said. "Just check with your doctor to make sure you've had your shots."



So take these shots but... The mumps vaccine is more effective in two doses, but even then it might not be enough.
Lets take 1000 dollars to a casino.. You can go twice but even then you still will not make out..

Just saying... Just saying...

And I wanna point out..
"Right now there should be no worries of a mass outbreak or panic"
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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theNLBS

I reserve the right NOT to have mercury injected into me or mine.

ETA: Oh, and who the hell brought up Jenny McCarthy? Not me.



I don't know if anyone addressed this, long thread.

No amount of mercury should be allowed to be injected into anyone.

It is my understanding though, that if you request, demand single dose vaccination, it will not contain the preservative, mercury. Might still have a little cancer in dere.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: ControlledChaos

You give your kid tuna?
More mercury in that than a vaccine shot.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: ControlledChaos

You give your kid tuna?
More mercury in that than a vaccine shot.

Yea, you need to get the good tuna from China.
You won't never need to buy batteries for light again.
And don't forget you arsenic, we all need our minerals, eat plenty of brown rice the browner the better.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 11:22 AM
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I wasn't talking to you. a reply to: jaws1975



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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Let us not rule out the spiritual aspects of the adverse reactions to vaccines. If we are not told the true level of technology that exsist then there is the chance that vaccines could be a form of population control where certain people are targeted from the spiritual side and rendered inoperable or dead from vaccines because who they grow up to become and hoow their future interferes with the plans of the elite. If a child does not want your vaccine then do not give it.




posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: TsukiLunar




Not an Ebola vaccine! Say it ain't so! Now I can't catch Ebola! Evil scientist!


No vaccine will prevent you from getting sick, period!
where did you dig up that gem?
No vaccine will prevent you from getting sick? You simply have everything wrong. But go ahead with the nonsense about vaccines and oh no fluoride in the Water. Oh please say it ain't so. We's all goin ta die. And the people who avoid this they're going to live forever. Hallelujah.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: theNLBS

I'm just over here applauding my tiny phone screen. This is a great example of low-key fantastic content. Oh, and who'd have thought... A profit motivated fringe theory. Bull# is not isolated in the mainstream.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: WeAre0ne
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

That is just an outright lie.

A virus is a virus. The MMR vaccine gives you the live measles virus. It's weakened, but still alive. It can still spread and be contagious.

No . You can believe what you want to but it is not possible to catch measles from someone who got a rash from the vaccine. It is an attenuated (weakened) live virus.
www.cdc.gov...


See FAQs on that page.
You're just being stubborn in not accepting this. I have no idea why...
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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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Vaccines give you a weakened form of a virus. How does that weaken the immune system? You still develops the immunities that you would had you gotten the full blown disease. You just don't get the actual sickness that comes with the disease. What your immune system does is exactly the same to develope antibodies no matter what the source of the infection. It still does what it would have if you'd gotten measles from the kid next door or if you got a vaccine. Your body developes antibodies. How can that weaken the immune system?
Answer...it can't. You're just making stuff up.

a reply to: WeAre0ne



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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It takes between 40 and 300 milliliters of air to be lethal when injected depending on where it is injected.

That's one of those fun facts to know when you want an analogy to have meaning.


Ok great, so you shouldn't have any problem injecting 39 milliliters into yourself then, let me know how that works out for you.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: AutumnWitch657





where did you dig up that gem?
No vaccine will prevent you from getting sick? You simply have everything wrong. But go ahead with the nonsense about vaccines and oh no fluoride in the Water. Oh please say it ain't so. We's all goin ta die. And the people who avoid this they're going to live forever. Hallelujah.


No digging required, simple logic really, people get sick after being vaccinated everyday. Hence my statement that no vaccine will prevent you from getting sick.

Please keep posting, it really highlights the ignorance of the pro vax crowd.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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No . You can believe what you want to but it is not possible to catch measles from someone who got a rash from the vaccine


Anything is possible.

The nature of a virus is mutation.
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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: Grimpachi




It takes between 40 and 300 milliliters of air to be lethal when injected depending on where it is injected.

That's one of those fun facts to know when you want an analogy to have meaning.


Ok great, so you shouldn't have any problem injecting 39 milliliters into yourself then, let me know how that works out for you.



I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as it wasn't directly into the heart. It isn't the substance that makes the poison it is the quantity.

Dihydrogen Monoxide accelerates corrosion of many metals and can cause severe burns also known as hydroxyl acid, it is the major component of acid rain contributing to the "greenhouse effect" also it has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patient. It is used as an industrial solvent and coolant and the production of Styrofoam, distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical. It is an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products and regularly used in nuclear power plants.

That certainly sounds like a dangerous substance but believe it or not you put it in your body every day..



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posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as it wasn't directly into the heart. It isn't the substance that makes the poison it is the quantity.


Wow, that's scary...almost cult like, drank all the koolaid scary!



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: jaws1975

Some people scare easy that's not my problem.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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Vaccination lawsuits: www.mctlawyers.com...



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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Anyone who is willing to inject poison into their body, because the Rockefeller created medical system says it's ok should ask themselves what's the difference between that and a religious fundamentalist position. You think you are right because the institution says so, the institution a few hundred years ago was the Catholic church, were they right too?



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