Why Are Minimum Wage Jobs Advertised As A Career?

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
Every time we have the debate on "The Minimum Wage" im often met with the opinion that "Oh, its not a career flipping burgers, that's why you're paid so little" - Clearly people trying to justify for multinational companies to pay you peanuts and have your government top up your wages so it doesn't eat into their profit margin.

However, as someone who has worked 3 minimum wage jobs and applied for plently more there's one thing ive always noticed, the word career is often used.
"Are you looking for a career in a customer facing position blah blah blah"

I mean, take a look at Mcdonalds recruitment. Do you see the word career?
How about this Starbucks application form?
Sainsburys Wants you to "transform your career with a sainsburys local"

What's even more laughable is that Mcdonalds is actually offering apprenticeships (Where they pay LESS than the minimum wage)

These big multinational companies are loving right wing ignorance. You keep paying your taxes so the government can keep topping up the wages of these people who have "Minimum wage careers"

Meanwhile, the wealth of the top 0.01% is ever growing.

Because some people are smart enough to take advantage of an opportunity. The CEO of McDonald's prior to Don Thompson who just stepped down yesterday actually started working in the restaurants as a cashier. Those jobs are the first rung on the ladder. The Managers at McDonald's actually make pretty good money.

The point is to get your foot in the door and move up or leave after you've gained some skill.

Don Thompson Also has a degree in electrical engineering - What you've said in actually incorrect, see here:

Thompson is, by profession, an electrical engineer who joined McDonald's in 1990 after working for a fighter jet maker that is now part of Northrop Grumman. At McDonald's, Thompson designed robotic equipment for food transport and made control circuits for cooking.[6] Thompson received a call from a McDonald’s recruiter who was looking for an engineer to design "robotics, control circuitry and feedback loops". Although reluctant to take the job at first, he did accept an invitation to visit the McDonald's headquarters in suburban Chicago by an engineer working there. Soon after the visit, he was hired.[citation needed]

Having started his career at McDonald's in 1990, Thompson quickly rose on the corporate ladder. By 1992, he was promoted to Project Manager and Staff Director for the Quality Development department. He then switched over to Operations in 1994, and while there, decided to spend his first six months learning the basics on how to manage a 'McDonald's' restaurant, by working at a South Chicago restaurant, moving up from fry cook to shift manager, then assistant manager and then co-manager

So, he was already working for Mcdonalds designing robotics, control circuitry and feedback loops before he was promoted to project manager and staff director, then when he moved into Operations he took it upon himself to do all of the basic minimum wage jobs so he could understand how your average restaurant worked (And did all of that in 6 months)

Please dont ever insinuate ever again that you can start at minimum wage on the bottom of a company and rise to be the CEO. Capitalism does not work like that. At least, not anymore.

I guess you missed the part where I said PRIOR. The CEO prior to Don was Jim Skinner. He never graduated college.

en.wikipedia.org...

Even so, Jim Skinner started as a restaurant manager... again, not exactly Fry cook to CEO, eh?

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
Every time we have the debate on "The Minimum Wage" im often met with the opinion that "Oh, its not a career flipping burgers, that's why you're paid so little" - Clearly people trying to justify for multinational companies to pay you peanuts and have your government top up your wages so it doesn't eat into their profit margin.

However, as someone who has worked 3 minimum wage jobs and applied for plently more there's one thing ive always noticed, the word career is often used.
"Are you looking for a career in a customer facing position blah blah blah"

I mean, take a look at Mcdonalds recruitment. Do you see the word career?
How about this Starbucks application form?
Sainsburys Wants you to "transform your career with a sainsburys local"

What's even more laughable is that Mcdonalds is actually offering apprenticeships (Where they pay LESS than the minimum wage)

These big multinational companies are loving right wing ignorance. You keep paying your taxes so the government can keep topping up the wages of these people who have "Minimum wage careers"

Meanwhile, the wealth of the top 0.01% is ever growing.

You are free to start your own business, hire people, and pay them whatever you want.

I was friends with a store owner at one point in my life. She started at the bottom as a cashier then worked her way to the top. It was her career and she did very well with it.

I have worked fast food and would do so again if the time calls for it. Not everyone has the experience or schooling to get one of the cushy jobs that people think fly out of the wood works towards the poor and the uneducated. I am a thirty-six year old woman who did not make the right choices as a teen and unfortunately is paying for it now. Because the only types of jobs available to women like me are the ones that are so abhorrent to many of you. I can live with that though.

I never understand the need of anyone to look down on others because of their job, whether a career choice or something to make ends meet, why do these things bother so many of you this much?

a reply to: SearchLightsInc

You can try to split hairs all you want. The point is he worked his way up. It doesn't matter if it is fry cook, janitor, management trainee or even if the business is a restaurant. The point is you have to start somewhere and that is usually at the bottom. You either have the smarts and hustle to be successful or you don't. Sadly, too many of you don't and expect other people to carry you.

originally posted by: Jamie1

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
Every time we have the debate on "The Minimum Wage" im often met with the opinion that "Oh, its not a career flipping burgers, that's why you're paid so little" - Clearly people trying to justify for multinational companies to pay you peanuts and have your government top up your wages so it doesn't eat into their profit margin.

However, as someone who has worked 3 minimum wage jobs and applied for plently more there's one thing ive always noticed, the word career is often used.
"Are you looking for a career in a customer facing position blah blah blah"

I mean, take a look at Mcdonalds recruitment. Do you see the word career?
How about this Starbucks application form?
Sainsburys Wants you to "transform your career with a sainsburys local"

What's even more laughable is that Mcdonalds is actually offering apprenticeships (Where they pay LESS than the minimum wage)

These big multinational companies are loving right wing ignorance. You keep paying your taxes so the government can keep topping up the wages of these people who have "Minimum wage careers"

Meanwhile, the wealth of the top 0.01% is ever growing.

You are free to start your own business, hire people, and pay them whatever you want.

Im starting to think that as a regular poster on ATS, You just have a notepad on your computer that you copy and paste your repetitive replies with - Starting to sound very robotic. Why dont you have a proper think on the subject and actually contribute an original opinion for a change?

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: Jamie1

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
Every time we have the debate on "The Minimum Wage" im often met with the opinion that "Oh, its not a career flipping burgers, that's why you're paid so little" - Clearly people trying to justify for multinational companies to pay you peanuts and have your government top up your wages so it doesn't eat into their profit margin.

However, as someone who has worked 3 minimum wage jobs and applied for plently more there's one thing ive always noticed, the word career is often used.
"Are you looking for a career in a customer facing position blah blah blah"

I mean, take a look at Mcdonalds recruitment. Do you see the word career?
How about this Starbucks application form?
Sainsburys Wants you to "transform your career with a sainsburys local"

What's even more laughable is that Mcdonalds is actually offering apprenticeships (Where they pay LESS than the minimum wage)

These big multinational companies are loving right wing ignorance. You keep paying your taxes so the government can keep topping up the wages of these people who have "Minimum wage careers"

Meanwhile, the wealth of the top 0.01% is ever growing.

You are free to start your own business, hire people, and pay them whatever you want.

Im starting to think that as a regular poster on ATS, You just have a notepad on your computer that you copy and paste your repetitive replies with - Starting to sound very robotic. Why dont you have a proper think on the subject and actually contribute an original opinion for a change?

Why is what I post so important to you?

If you were serious about making a difference in what you complain about, you could start your own business, hire people, and pay them whatever you want.

What's stopping you from doing that? How many people do you support with wages you pay?

a reply to: abe froman

Yeah like the record profit just flies out their ass. Or the Universe just spawns that money into their bank account because they are working so hard and are so good at what they do.

It's not like money comes out of peoples pockets. That would be an absurd conclusion. You know, If they obtained that money by charging and undercutting people. Sheeesh, Very unlikely. I mean, Everyone believes that money just spawns from the depths of non-existance because Mc.Donalds is so great. And all the workers are being paid fine. Mc.Donalds does not need to give any of that profit to its workers. And the Hole in the sky that is dumping money over Mc.Donalds HQ is just growing bigger and bigger. Same with Wallmart. Yup if it wasn't for that big hole in the sky spewing money these truthful scared stuttering companies would surely not exist. Without that hole providing the record breaking profits that just keep climing in percentages. These companies would dry up in a week without those holes sustaining it from its infinite void of space and time.

Why should the employees get paid more? It's not like they own the hole in the sky right? I mean, If the money was coming out of the employees and customers pockets. That would be a different story. But thank God for that gaping casmn of cash, And not the pockets of regular people. Mc.donalds and wall mart and overpaying their workers.

There workers should just get zero income from them because honestly. The hole in the sky belongs to them. Let mcdonalds and wallmart continue to rack in billions of dollars in profits. Since non of that money came out of our pockets and from the sweat on our backs as citizens and employees who become customers and services agents of such entities. It would be insain if the profit was coming from our own pay stubs.

If you can't detect the extreme level of sarcasm in this post. Here's what iv got to say unsarcastically.
These companies don't get rich unless they are dipping into peoples pockets for profits, At the same time. Undercuttering their employees. That's the only way to push a profit like that.... Seriously.
It's criminal and borderline extortion. Which is illegial.

They tell the ignorant they are careers. If you believe that, you deserve whatever you get. You know what's right and wrong. If you want to sell yourself short, who am I to judge you.

a reply to: SearchLightsInc

"Why Are Minimum Wage Jobs Advertised As A Career?"

Maybe because advertising to be essentially nothing more than a life long indentured servant does not quite have the same ring to it?

a reply to: AnuTyr

You do realize that McDonald's is and has been losing money and market share for a while now? Right?

There are no record profits there.

originally posted by: Jamie1

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc

originally posted by: Jamie1

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
Every time we have the debate on "The Minimum Wage" im often met with the opinion that "Oh, its not a career flipping burgers, that's why you're paid so little" - Clearly people trying to justify for multinational companies to pay you peanuts and have your government top up your wages so it doesn't eat into their profit margin.

However, as someone who has worked 3 minimum wage jobs and applied for plently more there's one thing ive always noticed, the word career is often used.
"Are you looking for a career in a customer facing position blah blah blah"

I mean, take a look at Mcdonalds recruitment. Do you see the word career?
How about this Starbucks application form?
Sainsburys Wants you to "transform your career with a sainsburys local"

What's even more laughable is that Mcdonalds is actually offering apprenticeships (Where they pay LESS than the minimum wage)

These big multinational companies are loving right wing ignorance. You keep paying your taxes so the government can keep topping up the wages of these people who have "Minimum wage careers"

Meanwhile, the wealth of the top 0.01% is ever growing.

You are free to start your own business, hire people, and pay them whatever you want.

Im starting to think that as a regular poster on ATS, You just have a notepad on your computer that you copy and paste your repetitive replies with - Starting to sound very robotic. Why dont you have a proper think on the subject and actually contribute an original opinion for a change?

Why is what I post so important to you?

If you were serious about making a difference in what you complain about, you could start your own business, hire people, and pay them whatever you want.

What's stopping you from doing that? How many people do you support with wages you pay?

You equate asking an open question as a complaint?

Stop trolling mate. Just stop.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AnuTyr

You do realize that McDonald's is and has been losing money and market share for a while now? Right?

There are no record profits there.

I hope they go away. The space can be used for something more nutritious in nature. They should give away exercise books with their happy meals.

originally posted by: amazing

See it could be a career, except, most people take is a crappy job, don't work any harder then they have to to not get fired, never learn anything and screw around the whole time, until it's time to go off to college or get an equally crappy job that appeals to the adult nature in you, like car salesmen or plumbers helper or Janitor or delivery driver or casino worker,

However, the whole cycle staRTS AGAIN. time to get moving and move up that ladder.
Move it move it move it1

Yes, and continually raising the minimum wage will have the real effect of perpetuating this crappy cycle you describe.

Do you actually believe the minimum wage laws were enacted by politicians who care about you???

a reply to: Edumakated

What world are you living in the 1950's or 2015?

Theres no upward mobility anymore give me a break.

Therefore it is not a carrier. It is Extortion Via Poverty which is = to Slavery.

It's no different. It's actually worse in some cases. Slave masters at least fed and put a roof over the heads of their slaves.

In this day and age. You don't even get that far hahahahhahahhahha

They don't pay enough to even cover Rent. Let alone living expenses. hahahahhahhahhaa A *Job*?

Yeah okay. This is on par with returning cans to a depo for cash as a living. Youd get paid more delivering the bottles and cans, Seriously. You would. 300 bottles will get you 20$. It's easy to sort all that in less than an hour. Say you come in with 10 bags. Which 2 bags provide 300 bottles. That's 100$ after 2 hours of work. People who pick up bottles off the ground are earning more money than people working at mc.donalds and wallmart.

If it isn't slavery why does everyone who work at these places have to be on Welfare just pay off the extra expenses of rent and to beable to afford rice and oatmeal for breakfast lunch and dinner. Presuming they are living alone. If they are with other people their expenses are a bit more spared as both individuals are gouged.

It's a ruthless cycle that continues because companies like these cannot man up to the plate and pay a livable wage.
That's why everyone just calls down mc.donalds and wall mart. It's not the services they provide that is causing the hate. It's the fact it's Slavery, and its still forced slavery because Money is a requirement to live. You may not be obligated to work with Wallmart. But if the workers at wallmart don't feel like prepping your resume people usually don't even incorperate mc.donalds or wallmart into their resume because the people who work at these places sabatoge other indivudals that are trying to get work elsewhere. And it happens frequently. Yes if you do sloppy one or 2 day well are being forced to work sick. they will record that down in white paper so they can bring it up several years later after you quit your job and try to use it as a reference in the future.

originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

There are a hundred million people in this country who will only ever qualify for minimum wage jobs, so for them the term "career" is totally accurate. It's a shame, but it's the truth. A large chunk of the population simply isn't worth any more than that.

I cant even stand reading a perspective like yours.

The only thing i can do is pray to god that you end up being one of those people due to unforeseen life circumstance.

Luckily im working on taking a more graceful approach to life and would rather pray to god that you see the light and have some compassion for your fellow man.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Edumakated

What world are you living in the 1950's or 2015?

Theres no upward mobility anymore give me a break.

That's a demonstrably false belief.

Go to LinkedIn. Search for people under 35 who have good jobs. Ask them how they started.

Report back to us on what you find.

(I would agree that there is probably little upward mobility among people who spend their life complaining on internet forums about the economy.)

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AnuTyr

You do realize that McDonald's is and has been losing money and market share for a while now? Right?

There are no record profits there.

Oh Cuz losing the profit margin was 1.50 billion but dropped to 1.01 billion since last year they are definently getting *crippled*

Give me a break.

That's 1000 Million dollars in profits.

Why do commercials for "online universities" say America will need 4 million college graduates in 2015???

A country with hundreds of millions of people.....and they proudly state only 4 million college grads will be needed. Why? Because the economy's garbage, student debt is crippling the young, recent grads have their dreams shattered by an economy that cannot provide for them, nor provides the opportunities for work.

Welcome to America. The distractions, the endless need for convenience which led to comfort and complacency, the poor education system, the repetitive media. It's a pit. It's hopeless.

a reply to: brandiwine14
"I never understand the need of anyone to look down on others because of their job, whether a career choice or something to make ends meet, why do these things bother so many of you this much?"

Exactly! You hit the nail right on the head. People just love to bask in the feeling of superiority. It's much easier than having empathy and understanding for others situations. It's also easier than trying to fix injustices in the system. As long as their needs are being met they could give a hoot about anyone's misfortune. It's like fat shaming with the pretext that they are so concerned about that person's health and well being. They could give a hoot - it's just an sneakier way of putting someone down to feel superior.