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posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:45 AM
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The Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell wrote an article recently outlining the plan that's (allegedly) been in place for decades.

Instead of a wild overthrow of the Capitalist U.S., just do it slower and get the job done later.

This seems like the Fabian style being played out.

Read the article and see what looks familiar.


Communist Party chairman: Utilize Democratic Party to advance agenda


Lots of links in the story.


For more than a century, as the ideas of Karl Marx began immigrating to the U.S. there has always been a connection between Marxists and the U.S. labor movement.

For some Marxists, like the Industrial Workers of the World in the early 1900s, the overthrow of capitalism should be done through revolution. Others, however, believed in taking a more Fabian approach—that is, a slower, incremental strategy focused on “evolution,” not “revolution.”

In a lengthy article published last week, the Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell details his Fabian-like strategy to use the labor movement and the Democratic Party to build his ‘socialist utopia.’





posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 01:30 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
The Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell wrote an article recently outlining the plan that's (allegedly) been in place for decades.

Instead of a wild overthrow of the Capitalist U.S., just do it slower and get the job done later.

This seems like the Fabian style being played out.

Read the article and see what looks familiar.


Communist Party chairman: Utilize Democratic Party to advance agenda


Lots of links in the story.


For more than a century, as the ideas of Karl Marx began immigrating to the U.S. there has always been a connection between Marxists and the U.S. labor movement.

For some Marxists, like the Industrial Workers of the World in the early 1900s, the overthrow of capitalism should be done through revolution. Others, however, believed in taking a more Fabian approach—that is, a slower, incremental strategy focused on “evolution,” not “revolution.”

In a lengthy article published last week, the Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell details his Fabian-like strategy to use the labor movement and the Democratic Party to build his ‘socialist utopia.’





Lol
The world has weighed measured and found communism wanting.

Capitalism is far superior, hence capitalistic countries outstripping communist countries by factors.

Having said that....capitalism is approaching its end as well, as it does not serve the many only the few.

Another system is needed.

I vote a mix myself.

One where companies must pay at all times a percentage of profits to its workers.

In this manner the company and the worker both benefit in unison, not just the company while the workers gain nothing.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 05:33 AM
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Yes, that is the playbook being followed to the tee. It is in the communist manifesto and other related writing.

It has been working according to plan, long before I was born in the mid 60's. There might have been a chance to head this off in the McCarty era, but that tactic didn't work. Hopefully, some moderation in both ends of the polarity will occur and we can have the best of both worlds, but it seems that we are in a "red shift" at the moment. Both capitalism and communism seems to lead to oppression of the masses.

Communism never seems to end well for sure, I don't like the state being the place from where our rights originate, I believe that it is the exact opposite.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 06:24 AM
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I vote for whatever form of Government that will leave me the hell alone.

Society should be voluntary and Communists and Democrats don't have the option to opt-out if you don't want to be part of their little utopia.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This topic comes-up every two years or so, but even I needed a reminder...timely for 2016 election cycle trickery.


I Googled "Hoffa Maxist" and found a lot of material (new) so I choose old material (Marxist.Org)from the search results:

HOFFA AND THE TEAMSTERS: A Study of Union Power
by Ralph and Estelle James
D. Van Nostrand. 430pp

“If one strolls through Greenwich Village in downtown New York one will eventually come upon the narrow, dingy building which houses the headquarters of the Socialist Workers Party ... Up two flights of rickety stairs at 116 University Place one finds the ramshackle office of Farrell Dobbs, leader of the Party and little-known candidate for President of the United States in 1960.

“This now-obscure man and his tiny organization provide the key to understanding the emergence of Jimmy Hoffa and the origin of many of his methods and beliefs. Although Hoffa has not spoken to Dobbs for over twenty years, his public speeches and private conversations still give Dobbs credit for the institutional framework and imaginative ideas which have grown famous as Hoffa’s collective bargaining trademarks.

“Dobbs served as the guiding genius behind the formation of the Central States Drivers Council (CSDC). Then, at the very brink of success, he stepped aside for a full-time career as a Marxist politician, creating a vacuum which was soon filled by Jimmy Hoffa. The CSDC became the vehicle which propelled Hoffa into national prominence.” – from Hoffa and the Teamsters, by Ralph and Estelle James.

Since the government first began its “investigation” of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters leadership some ten years ago, there have been a spate of books, innumerable magazine and newspaper articles, consisting in the main of tendentious and biased accounts of the issues in dispute. At long last there appears a book on Hoffa and the Teamsters whose claim of undertaking an objective appraisal is well merited.

This important book is doubly unique. Its authors delved into their subject with praiseworthy objectivity and the Teamster president gave them extraordinary access to union affairs. The result is a refreshing effort to present an unbiased study of the nation’s largest trade union.

Both authors teach economics, Ralph James as associate professor at the University of California and Estelle James as assistant professor at Stanford University. When they first met James Hoffa about five years ago, they seem to have approached him with somewhat prejudiced minds. Their initial attitude was perhaps due to brainwashing by the capitalist news media as well as to ignorance of the Teamsters’ side of things. Hoffa responded by challenging them to make their own investigation of the union and he offered to open the doors for them to get a picture they could never find in books. They accepted the challenge and he made good on the offer.

Across an extended period the Jameses found themselves in the thick of Teamster activity, either or both being involved according to the given situation. They went to the union’s 1961 convention where they also attended caucuses. Later they sat in at a meeting of the International Executive Board. Introduced as “assistants” to Hoffa, they observed contract negotiations and grievance sessions with employers, trustee meetings about pension fund matters and union strategy conferences related to these affairs. They talked with various Teamster officials and staff members through opportunities afforded by their free access to the union headquarters. Files were opened to them dating back through the Hoffa, Beck and Tobin regimes. All in all, they got a rather extensive picture of the Teamsters, at least at the leadership level.

Seeming puzzled by Hoffa’s frankness with them when “no assurances were ever given about the conclusions we would reach,” the authors state:

“Whatever his motivation, deep appreciation and approbation is hereby expressed to James R. Hoffa ... who had the courage to offer such novel exposure and who kept it up, no matter where we wanted to dig. Hoffa wanted us to get a feeling for being on the inside. And we most assuredly did.”

All was not beer and skittles for the Jameses, as an excerpt from their description of the experience will explain:

“The Teamsters’ criminal lawyers and several vice-presidents were virtually persuaded at one point that we were agents for the FBI, and a trusted staff member was instructed to ascertain whether I [Ralph James] actually had a university affiliation. On the other hand, many members of the Teamsters’ inner circle believed we had been bought off by Hoffa. The Justice Department seemed to agree with this consensus and refused to answer our questions on even the most innocuous topics, presumably for fear that they would be leaking information to the enemy. We were frequently asked ‘who was paying’ for our transportation and other expenses, the implication being that Hoffa must be picking up the bills. As a matter of fact, we covered all costs ourselves; had it not been for our shoestring budget we would have accompanied Hoffa on additional trips.”

After noting that a few of Hoffa’s associates became convinced they were trying to do an honest, objective job, the authors add:

“The purpose of this book is neither to praise nor to damn Jimmy Hoffa. Rather we wish to contribute to a greater understanding of one of our most powerful and least comprehended public figures – the president of the country’s largest union, a man who was made notorious by the McClellan Committee eight years ago and whose name is now a household word.”

Looking into the Teamsters from the outside and with little background experience in unionism, they have done remarkably well in digging out the facts and presenting them in an unbiased manner. If more writers from academic circles tended to emulate their objectivity when dealing with the labor movement, it would represent a gain for historic and social truth.

The political climate in which the Jameses carried out the project is reflected in their presumption that the Justice Department looked upon the Teamsters as “the enemy.” There are ample grounds for the presumption. Beginning in 1957 the McClellan Committee of the US Senate conducted a two-year smear attack on the Teamsters, using Hoffa as the central target. The Justice Department followed through with six felony indictments against Hoffa and other Teamster officials. First came trials on bribery and wire-tapping charges, both resulting in acquittals.

Continued

Hillary and Obama were "Marxist Youth" in their formative years in Chicago?



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell wrote an article recently outlining the plan that's (allegedly) been in place for decades.

Instead of a wild overthrow of the Capitalist U.S., just do it slower and get the job done later.

This seems like the Fabian style being played out.

Read the article and see what looks familiar.


Communist Party chairman: Utilize Democratic Party to advance agenda


Lots of links in the story.


For more than a century, as the ideas of Karl Marx began immigrating to the U.S. there has always been a connection between Marxists and the U.S. labor movement.

For some Marxists, like the Industrial Workers of the World in the early 1900s, the overthrow of capitalism should be done through revolution. Others, however, believed in taking a more Fabian approach—that is, a slower, incremental strategy focused on “evolution,” not “revolution.”

In a lengthy article published last week, the Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell details his Fabian-like strategy to use the labor movement and the Democratic Party to build his ‘socialist utopia.’





Lol
The world has weighed measured and found communism wanting.

Capitalism is far superior, hence capitalistic countries outstripping communist countries by factors.

Having said that....capitalism is approaching its end as well, as it does not serve the many only the few.

Another system is needed.

I vote a mix myself.

One where companies must pay at all times a percentage of profits to its workers.

In this manner the company and the worker both benefit in unison, not just the company while the workers gain nothing.

Companies already do that. It's called "stocks" and "profit sharing" and "bonuses" and "401k match."



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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LOL well the way America has smashed labour unions and allowed so few to control so much over the last century it doesnt seem to be working out very well. Guess they can keep dreaming though.

Wall Street



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell wrote an article recently outlining the plan that's (allegedly) been in place for decades.

Instead of a wild overthrow of the Capitalist U.S., just do it slower and get the job done later.

This seems like the Fabian style being played out.

Read the article and see what looks familiar.


Communist Party chairman: Utilize Democratic Party to advance agenda


Lots of links in the story.


For more than a century, as the ideas of Karl Marx began immigrating to the U.S. there has always been a connection between Marxists and the U.S. labor movement.

For some Marxists, like the Industrial Workers of the World in the early 1900s, the overthrow of capitalism should be done through revolution. Others, however, believed in taking a more Fabian approach—that is, a slower, incremental strategy focused on “evolution,” not “revolution.”

In a lengthy article published last week, the Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell details his Fabian-like strategy to use the labor movement and the Democratic Party to build his ‘socialist utopia.’





Lol
The world has weighed measured and found communism wanting.

Capitalism is far superior, hence capitalistic countries outstripping communist countries by factors.

Having said that....capitalism is approaching its end as well, as it does not serve the many only the few.

Another system is needed.

I vote a mix myself.

One where companies must pay at all times a percentage of profits to its workers.

In this manner the company and the worker both benefit in unison, not just the company while the workers gain nothing.

Companies already do that. It's called "stocks" and "profit sharing" and "bonuses" and "401k match."


Isn't it amazing how people sometimes have no clue?



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell wrote an article recently outlining the plan that's (allegedly) been in place for decades.

Instead of a wild overthrow of the Capitalist U.S., just do it slower and get the job done later.

This seems like the Fabian style being played out.

Read the article and see what looks familiar.


Communist Party chairman: Utilize Democratic Party to advance agenda


Lots of links in the story.


For more than a century, as the ideas of Karl Marx began immigrating to the U.S. there has always been a connection between Marxists and the U.S. labor movement.

For some Marxists, like the Industrial Workers of the World in the early 1900s, the overthrow of capitalism should be done through revolution. Others, however, believed in taking a more Fabian approach—that is, a slower, incremental strategy focused on “evolution,” not “revolution.”

In a lengthy article published last week, the Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell details his Fabian-like strategy to use the labor movement and the Democratic Party to build his ‘socialist utopia.’





Lol
The world has weighed measured and found communism wanting.

Capitalism is far superior, hence capitalistic countries outstripping communist countries by factors.

Having said that....capitalism is approaching its end as well, as it does not serve the many only the few.

Another system is needed.

I vote a mix myself.

One where companies must pay at all times a percentage of profits to its workers.

In this manner the company and the worker both benefit in unison, not just the company while the workers gain nothing.

Companies already do that. It's called "stocks" and "profit sharing" and "bonuses" and "401k match."


True story. I know of a major corporation that has a large union. Said company used to be private. Anyway, the company often gave yearly stock grants to corporate employees. The unions typically balked at it and instead prefer to negotiate pensions, work rules, and all the other union BS. Anyway, said company went public. Most of the corporate employees (even the lower middle management ones) are millionaires due to stock grants they accumulated over the years and the union members were pretty much left high and dry by turning their nose up at the stock options when they had the change to accumulate them during the pre-IPO years. These same folks are the type that will complain about the "rich" now and how corporations take advantage of people and don't share the wealth.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell wrote an article recently outlining the plan that's (allegedly) been in place for decades.

Instead of a wild overthrow of the Capitalist U.S., just do it slower and get the job done later.

This seems like the Fabian style being played out.

Read the article and see what looks familiar.


Communist Party chairman: Utilize Democratic Party to advance agenda


Lots of links in the story.


For more than a century, as the ideas of Karl Marx began immigrating to the U.S. there has always been a connection between Marxists and the U.S. labor movement.

For some Marxists, like the Industrial Workers of the World in the early 1900s, the overthrow of capitalism should be done through revolution. Others, however, believed in taking a more Fabian approach—that is, a slower, incremental strategy focused on “evolution,” not “revolution.”

In a lengthy article published last week, the Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell details his Fabian-like strategy to use the labor movement and the Democratic Party to build his ‘socialist utopia.’





Lol
The world has weighed measured and found communism wanting.

Capitalism is far superior, hence capitalistic countries outstripping communist countries by factors.

Having said that....capitalism is approaching its end as well, as it does not serve the many only the few.

Another system is needed.

I vote a mix myself.

One where companies must pay at all times a percentage of profits to its workers.

In this manner the company and the worker both benefit in unison, not just the company while the workers gain nothing.

Companies already do that. It's called "stocks" and "profit sharing" and "bonuses" and "401k match."


Isn't it amazing how people sometimes have no clue?


What's interesting is we can try to share with those people EXACTLY what they could do to become financially successful.

They wouldn't do it.

They'd rather choose to be poor and complain about the rich.

Want to increase minimum wage? Start a business and pay more money to attract the best employees.

Simple solution, right?

Want to give employees financial incentive to help a business profit?

Start a business, hire some employees, and give them bonuses based on profits.

This stuff isn't complicated. These "clueless" people simply would rather bitch than be successful.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: Jamie1

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell wrote an article recently outlining the plan that's (allegedly) been in place for decades.

Instead of a wild overthrow of the Capitalist U.S., just do it slower and get the job done later.

This seems like the Fabian style being played out.

Read the article and see what looks familiar.


Communist Party chairman: Utilize Democratic Party to advance agenda


Lots of links in the story.


For more than a century, as the ideas of Karl Marx began immigrating to the U.S. there has always been a connection between Marxists and the U.S. labor movement.

For some Marxists, like the Industrial Workers of the World in the early 1900s, the overthrow of capitalism should be done through revolution. Others, however, believed in taking a more Fabian approach—that is, a slower, incremental strategy focused on “evolution,” not “revolution.”

In a lengthy article published last week, the Chairman of Communist Party USA John Bachtell details his Fabian-like strategy to use the labor movement and the Democratic Party to build his ‘socialist utopia.’





Lol
The world has weighed measured and found communism wanting.

Capitalism is far superior, hence capitalistic countries outstripping communist countries by factors.

Having said that....capitalism is approaching its end as well, as it does not serve the many only the few.

Another system is needed.

I vote a mix myself.

One where companies must pay at all times a percentage of profits to its workers.

In this manner the company and the worker both benefit in unison, not just the company while the workers gain nothing.

Companies already do that. It's called "stocks" and "profit sharing" and "bonuses" and "401k match."


Isn't it amazing how people sometimes have no clue?


What's interesting is we can try to share with those people EXACTLY what they could do to become financially successful.

They wouldn't do it.

They'd rather choose to be poor and complain about the rich.

Want to increase minimum wage? Start a business and pay more money to attract the best employees.

Simple solution, right?

Want to give employees financial incentive to help a business profit?

Start a business, hire some employees, and give them bonuses based on profits.

This stuff isn't complicated. These "clueless" people simply would rather bitch than be successful.


I know... excuse after excuse. It is always someone else's fault.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Jamie1




What's interesting is we can try to share with those people EXACTLY what they could do to become financially successful.


Tell me EXACTLY what I can can do to become financialy successful then, I currently brake even most months so I cant wait to learn EXACTLY what I need to do to become financialy successful.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: Jamie1




What's interesting is we can try to share with those people EXACTLY what they could do to become financially successful.


Tell me EXACTLY what I can can do to become financialy successful then, I currently brake even most months so I cant wait to learn EXACTLY what I need to do to become financialy successful.


Do you really want to know? Or are you just asking?



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: Jamie1

Tell me EXACTLY what I can can do to become financialy successful then, I currently brake even most months so I cant wait to learn EXACTLY what I need to do to become financialy successful.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: Jamie1

Tell me EXACTLY what I can can do to become financialy successful then, I currently brake even most months so I cant wait to learn EXACTLY what I need to do to become financialy successful.


Step 1: Define your financial goals, both in terms of how much money you want to make each month, and how much money you want saved in the bank in 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, and 10 years.

The reason you're breaking even now is because your goal is to break even. The first step is raising your standard and no longer accepting where you're at now. It's like being fat. You have to reach a threshold before you go to the gym.

If you're happy with breaking even then you'll keep breaking even.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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Oh right so your advice to be financialy successful is to save money. Man, if only someone had told me this before how could i not have thought about this before???. But hey I tell you what, your on to something there, I mean, do other people know about this?, "saving money" you speak off???, thats some ground breaking # right there.




The reason you're breaking even now is because your goal is to break even


lol.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: Dabrazzo
No I think the idea is you visualise how much more money you want and it just happens. Right now I am visualising a couple of extra zeros on my pay slip. However unless there is malfunction in the format of number of decimal places is not that likely.
In fairness there could be a belter of a step 2.......



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: Jamie1

Oh right so your advice to be financialy successful is to save money. Man, if only someone had told me this before how could i not have thought about this before???. But hey I tell you what, your on to something there, I mean, do other people know about this?, "saving money" you speak off???, thats some ground breaking # right there.




The reason you're breaking even now is because your goal is to break even


lol.


Your response demonstrates the difference between those that do become financially independent versus those that don't.

Yes, it is as easy as just saving money. Figure out where you are wasting money and cut back. If you aren't making enough money then you need to figure out how you can better yourself so you can make more money. Life is a series of choices. Sometimes you have think two or three moves ahead. Nothing is immediate.

My wife and I accumulated a decent nest egg through a series of choices that allowed us to do so. We sacrificed a lot of luxuries. Instead of trying to keep up with the Joneses, we chose to live a bit more modestly than our relatively high incomes would dictate. We figured out how to advance our careers to give us more earning power so we would have money to save. We went into debt to go to graduate school knowing it would boost our incomes.

It isn't hard, but I think some people just cannot connect dots and figure out how to play the game of life. It is a competition and you have to constantly be bettering yourself and preparing for the future. You cannot get too complacent.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: Jamie1

Oh right so your advice to be financialy successful is to save money. Man, if only someone had told me this before how could i not have thought about this before???. But hey I tell you what, your on to something there, I mean, do other people know about this?, "saving money" you speak off???, thats some ground breaking # right there.




The reason you're breaking even now is because your goal is to break even


lol.


If you can't even do the first step you'll always be broke and whining about life. My guess is you hang out with a lot of people who share your same views, and who are broke, and whine about life.

So what's your deal?

Why do you provide so little value in the world that you can only break even every month?

And you think this is something to LOL about? It's your life that's lacking money. You find that funny?



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Actualy man I think I know EXACTLY how to become financialy successful, but im affraid its gonna cost ya, dont worry though itll only cost 24.99!!! and thats cuttin me own throat. While you deliberate such a steal im off to travel India and tell the literal hundreds of millions of people living in poverty all they have to do is save money and itll be sound eh, boom I just solved world poverty.

a reply to: Jamie1

Eh I dont actualy care much about money, I see it as an illusion and a system of enslavement, I get by and that does me just fine I just wanted to see what sort of pretentious self absorbed advice you had to offer.
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