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Varginha Alien, the Brazilian Roswell.

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posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 12:42 PM
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Made a search and found nothing about this on ATS.

I remember reading about this in the magazines and newspapers, and even seeing it on TV, when it happened.
Anyway, heres the story.

"In April 1997, an unidentified flying object was picked up on US radar over Brazil (there were no Brazilian satellites), contact was however made with the Brazilians and the information was relayed. In the city of Varginha, in the Central Brazilian state of Minas Gerais, several persons witnessed a ufo crash and saw a cigar shaped craft expelling large amounts of smoke heading for the ground. In other parts of the town there were many anomalous lights reported. On the same day, three girls saw a creature of the following description: Brown, soft skin ('like a heart'), large, red, bulging eyes and visible veins. The local firemen, and then the Brazilian army take over. In the following days, alien beings are spotted by other witnesses, trying to escape, as they are hunted and even fired at by the military.

Ive found many drawings of this alien, as described by many witnesses, and they all look pretty alike.









[edit on 15-12-2004 by Peronemlin]

aliens.monstrous.com...

Edit to save you a copy and paste warn.
An intro and a link is all that is needed.


[edit on 15-12-2004 by intrepid]




posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 12:54 PM
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Did you copy this text from here?


Nice story

I'm google(ing) it now to find more -yeah look at this:
new revelations about 1996 varginha alien case
and Brazil goes nuts over aliens


[edit on 15-12-2004 by jazzgul]



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 03:00 PM
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I just finished reading the new book from Dr Roger Leir about Varginha incident (french edition published in january before American edition).
It's weird to find almost nothing about this case on ATS, as this is maybe the most important ufo/aliens event ever happened. I recommend everyone to get the book


I found a couple of new interesting links :
www.rense.com...
ufocasebook.com...

This case is only 8 years old, and we're certainly gonna hear about it again in the future, as new revelations will rise and people will talk



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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I remember reading about this one years ago... I can't imagine why I wouldn't have dug deeper at the time, but I'll certainly revisit it. A bit busy now, but sometime very soon....



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 05:59 PM
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this type of alien is referred to as ORANGE by many even disclosureproject.org

Its a type of grey alien they say,
the amonia smell is urea excretions from skin
same as grey aliens who are said to smell like amonia.

note:
urine in humans is mostly ammonia,
we also excrete urea thru skin, makes your sweat stink.
cats have a higher amonia content in urine.

this also looks like a chubracabba from mexico lore.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 01:25 AM
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wtf goverments think we're stupid thats like saying that the phx lights were a "mass hallucanation" lol I love the cover storys they give us give me a good laugh



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 01:47 AM
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1996 this case was pretty big and I have a couple of videos on it. One of the mysteries on this one had to do with the young brazillian Soldier who died hours after the first capture. He physically contacted the 'thing'.

The autopsy indicated his blood contained 6% 'toxic substances" in his blood.

The pathologist supported by the military ordered the family to burry the body immediately - no funeral. A couple of years ago the family tried but failed to get approvals to exhume the body for further pathology tests to find out what killed the young soldier - it was denied.

Though I have not looked at the video in years I do remember I have some really good footage of the craft in flight as it was losing control in Varginha (light post hight). Lots of literature available at the library.

Days after the incident the animals at the local Zoo started dropping like flies. Pretty good case.

Dallas



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 03:18 PM
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They even once dissmissed it as "A pregnant dwarf couple who got lost and hurt on their way home in the middle of a storm"



I haven't heard this case get de-bunked properly once



posted on Jul, 12 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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Varginha is one of these wonderful cases that A.J. Gevaerd has really done alot of great work on.

This is also one of the Files that the Campain UFO's: Freedom for Inforamtion Now lead by Gevaerd requested that the Brazilian Government open , however , the Varginha Case was conducted by the Brazilian Army and not the Brazilian Air Force and the files have not been opened yet.

Here's alot of info about it , it will need to be translated to English from Purtuguese. ( Not Spanish)

www.casovarginha.com.br...



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 10:58 AM
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I agree this is a great, interesting case - and it has been discussed on ATS quite a few times (even just this year).

Of course it seems all the "legitamate" UFO cases fall off the board here pretty quick due to their lack of a reptillian or religious tie in...

However it is seeming more and more to me that the Brazillian Disclosure (tm) - is more hype than substance...

I sure hope its not due to mishandling of this investigation by ametuer Ufologists because it would be a shame to miss such a potentially golden opportunity.



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by TruthMagnet

However it is seeming more and more to me that the Brazillian Disclosure (tm) - is more hype than substance...

I sure hope its not due to mishandling of this investigation by ametuer Ufologists because it would be a shame to miss such a potentially golden opportunity.


TM,

The Disclosure is not hype.

What is going on is , legally the Government of Brazil can not open its UFO files.

However , the President has the power to allow some of the files to be opened by executive order, and that is what happened on 5/20/05, when representatives from the CBU, where allowed to examine 3 previously classified FAB UFO files.

For a full disclosure , or opening of all the files , some laws in Brazil have to be tweaked , and that takes time.

It has nothing to do with mishandling, or amature Ufologists.

As a matter of Fact , A. J. Gevaerd is highly respected in Ufology, was hand picked by J. Allen Hynek many years ago to represent CUFOS in Brazil.

And Gevaerd has done awesome work on this case , and many others including Operation Prato, and "The official night of the UFO in Brazil".



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 02:59 PM
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Interesting!

Thanks for the update - I wasn't familiar with A. J. Gevaerd's resume so it sounds like there are some experts on the case.

This is most excellent!!


(although I don't pretend to understand the legal logistics of it all)

[edit on 13-7-2005 by TruthMagnet]



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 03:41 PM
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I asked this question in another thread, and it was never answered. This is the first time I've seen this type of alien described, with the 3 horn-like objects protruding from its head. Does anyone know what alien race this one is from? I'm sure one of you guys who claim there is 167 alien races or whatever should know this! Or maybe one of you "Alien Federation" Earth representatives could help us out.



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 05:50 PM
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Here is A. J. Gevaerd's press release on the Varginha incident, back from '96.

www.v-j-enterprises.com...



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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Interesting...
I was dead set in thinking that J allen Hynek was a disinfo specialist working for the Gmen...
It would have something to do with they way he discounts EVERY astronaut sighting by saying that if you research them, you will find they are all bogus...

well the interviews I have seen with those astronauts look pretty legit to me...
so I say the astronauts are telling the truth and he is the liar...

that would make anyone he "hand picked" pretty suspicious also...

My thinking is that this is the next level of disclosure... they will admit a little (what is obvious to more than half the worlds population) but will still deny the rest, but now from a more reputable source... (these hand picked ufologists)

i.e. "well, there are visitors, but they don't interact with us, and we have never captured one, or seen a wreck, they are harmless"
all the while... protecting the real info...

My thoughts of the Brazil disclosure just went down in flames...
new tactic... same game...



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 06:33 PM
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LazarusTheLong,

What do you mean ? Are you allergic to research and facts?

You have to respect Hynek for " coming around" to the conclusion that some UFO's are ETV's!

Even if he may have said things like " Swamp Gas " .

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And A. J. Gevaerd stands on his own , look at all he's done personally for the field of Ufology.

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.e. "well, there are visitors, but they don't interact with us, and we have never captured one, or seen a wreck, they are harmless"
all the while... protecting the real info...



It would seem you didn't read the Virginha thread your posting on.

It is specifically about "Dead" people who interacted with " captured " Aliens , from a "Wreck", that turned out to be not so harmless indeed!






[edit on 13-7-2005 by lost_shaman]



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
I was dead set in thinking that J allen Hynek was a disinfo specialist working for the Gmen...
It would have something to do with they way he discounts EVERY astronaut sighting by saying that if you research them, you will find they are all bogus...

It would probably depend on when he said it. Hynek was head of Project Blue Book and a skeptic, but later became a convert. After BB was closed, he continued to research and founded CUFOS.



Civilian scientific consultant to the U.S. Air Force (1948/49-1969) i.e. 20 years. He began as a debunker of UFO sightings, however he discovered there was what he felt were a significant percentage of these reports which he could not explain. He became convinced they deserved further study by the scientific community.

In 1973 Hynek formed the "Center for U.F.O. Studies" (CUFOS), an organization dedicated to the scientific study of this elusive but persistent phenomenon. He was the first legitimate scientist to head a major group of this type.

www.cohenufo.org...

As far as the Varginha case goes, I haven't read much about it. I hope something comes out of it. The Brazillian disclosure may be the beginning of getting closer to the truth.



posted on Jul, 13 2005 @ 10:13 PM
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Agreed. Did the member get his info from here?

Varghinia, though important and ongoing, the basics are old news.
I ask the member to do some homework and find something new in that old case..

Dallas



posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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I have read the case thourougly, and felt that it was the one that Brazil UFOologists would pick to open...
I was dissapointed when it didn't get disclosed...

I also feel that it was a dramatic example of the harm that can come from interaction with ETV's and ET's...

In regards to Mr Hynek...
he seems to be johhny on the spot all to often... he is also the contributor of a lot of info on the Philadelpia experiment... (much of what I consider to be disinfo)

what better way for the government to keep tabs on ET watchers than have a ready "expert" able to steer the storys into disinfo land, to keep people from getting the total truth?

astronauts... he said it during the mid to late 70's... That is after BB... he was a disinfo agent when he worked for them, and IMO that he never stopped, just accepted that he wouldn't have a reputation if he didn't "go with the flow, and angle the river... rather than block it up with a dam..."
get my analogy?
I hope so...

I am very hopeful for th brazil disclosure, but have my doubts now...

I am a firm believer that something "ET" happened during this case, and hope to someday hear the full story....



posted on Jul, 14 2005 @ 10:25 AM
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Interesting...

So Hynek said the Astronauts were just b.s. artists?

Does anyone have some direct quotes on this?

I just don't think it makes any sense saying - sure they are highly trained professionals - but they are risking their reputations and maybe safety just so they can tell a lie for the fun of it!??

And as far as I know NASA never made a comment dismissing the astronauts claims (which only really makes sense if they were actually telling the truth)

[NASA surely didn't make a huge deal of it even if they did release some soundbite to the contradict them]

Well I think its good to never put too much faith in one particular researcher as any of them can be compromised.

But as a consenses grows among several diverse researchers I believe the field of UFOlogy is truly advanced as is the cause for truth and full disclosure.




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