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Utah girl forced to wear a coat over her dress at the dance for violating "dress code"

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posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Klassified

None of the Americans I know are sexually repressed.

Our school system had to take steps and make some changes because students were pushing it to the limits, some public school going to uniforms.

This is what happens when oppression is internalized, and becomes repressive behavior. It comes out in a variety of ways. Rebellion being one of those. If what they were doing wasn't shocking, there would be no reason for "pushing it to the limits."
I've done quite a bit of study on this over the years. It's not an easy concept to grasp at first, but then it clicks. Or at least it did for me. Especially once the right Phd explained it to me.




posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Anyafaj
I'm honestly curious here as I'm not aware. Is the entire state of Utah Mormon, or are there some parts where women do not live as if they are in an oppressive regime? This dress is pictured and I see not a thing wrong with it. Unless if shoulders have suddenly become porn. It states in the dress code shoulder straps. It says nothing about bare arms. She's dressed very appropriately, so I'm curious as to other opinions.

Girl in Saudia Arabia *cough* I mean Utah, forced to wear a coat over dress at school dance




A Lone Peak High School student was told her dress must be covered up because it was too inappropriate for the Preference Dance at the school last Saturday.

“She said, ‘Would you mind putting on a shawl?’ I didn't want to make a big scene so I said, yes. I had a coat in the car so I had to go back and get it,” she said.

“Somehow my shoulders are sexualized,” Finlayson said. “Like it's my responsibility to make sure the boys’ thoughts are not unclean.”

“Formals, backless dresses and/or tops may not extend beyond the bottom of the shoulder blades. Girls’ dresses and tops must have a 2″ minimum strap on each shoulder. Shawls, boleros and other shrugs are acceptable if worn over the dress at all times. Cleavage covered.”

Finlayson says her dress, which was purchased in Paris, and resembled in her mind, the classic, graceful style of her idol, actress Audrey Hepburn, was within the parameters put forth by the school dress code, and she says there were other girls at the dance whose dresses were questionable in her mind.


The dress straps seemed to have about 2 inches, if not more. She even had it altered to bring the bodice higher. It obviously extended beyond mid-calf. Very appropriate. If a bare arm is going to get a boy excited, then maybe we need to teach boys more on how to control themselves and send more right messages to girls, instead of "Cover up, you're enticing the boys to want to rape you."

It is a public school receiving public funding from the federal government, so not a private LDS school. What more does this school want? A burka and a veil? Have we really reached that point where girls must wear a full length robe or something to school, lest boys see an inch of flesh? Shall we bring back bathing suits that cover our ankles? [sarc]


It is a classic dress that could have been perfectly acceptable in the 50's and 60's and seems to meet all of the requirements of the dress code posted and, as such, the action of the school seem wrong. Makes me wonder if someone had it out for the girl before and nothing she'd do would be "presentable."



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Klassified

None of the Americans I know are sexually repressed.

Our school system had to take steps and make some changes because students were pushing it to the limits, some public school going to uniforms.



My daughter wears one. Khaki pants, mustard yellow polo shirts, or blue polo shirts, belt at all times, sneakers, any color is fine, (though one past school was VERY strict on the color of sneaker, it had to be all white with no logo and no color to give away any gang affiliation.) My daughter is in special ed and her past school teacher was a witch of a highest order. She actually called me 5 minutes after I dropped my daughter off for breaking the dress code, please come pick her up. Guess what she broke? No belt. I spoke with the Principal. I told him, instead of picking her up and missing a day of instruction, how about I just drop a belt off and she go into the bathroom and put it on? Makes more sense to me. For once someone in the school system had a brain and agreed. This women would call me over the stupidest stuff to pick her up. She just didn't want to deal with kids. I'm glad she's in her new school. She wears a uniform and as soon as she gets home she changes so it doesn't become too stained.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: WarminIndy

The "Preference Dance" concept was explained in the video if you actually watched it. It is a dance where the girls get to choose their companion (i.e. boy) for the evening.

As for the dress, Seeing it on the hanger in the video, the only thing I can think that may have violated the dress code was the back. We never get a photo of her in the dress from the back. The back may have extended a bit lower than the code allowed. If that is the case, then whether I personally agree with the code or not, it was a violation. Perhaps in future, there should be a required pre-qualification step for the students (male and female) to provide photos of them in their attire, front and back views, submitted for approval by the staff? That way, if it is pre-approved and THEN deemed in violation at the event, it can be challenged successfully.



Ya, we called them "Sadie Hawkins" or "turnabout" dances where only the girls are allowed to ask out the boys.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Krakatoa
the only thing I can think that may have violated the dress code was the back.

At my daughters school, dance dresses couldn't dip in the back. No bare backs. If it dipped to the bra strap line then it was too low and couldn't be worn. Follow the rules or don't go to the dance. Very simple.


The bra strap explains it. The shoulders didn't extend out far enough to ensure that the bra strap was covered.

Utah is not all Mormon but you will meet one everyday. Not that you would know it.

Mormons have always had women's choice dances, and Mormons have a lot of district dances, about one per district per month.

"Proper" is good word to describe Utah.

A bit too communitarian for me personally.



I thought the strap was fine. It required the strap to be 2 inches. The strap looked to be at least 2, maybe a little over 2 inches, so the strap didn't seem to be a problem for me. Same with calf length. I think the issue we're finding may be the back. Was it lower than the shoulder blades?


A "normal" bra has a strap that goes over each shoulder. Shoulderless dresses like the one the young lady was wearing tend to leave the over the shoulder bra strap visible.

I'm fairly sure the 2 inch shoulder strip requirement means that the deltoid muscle and arm pit would be covered. That would ensure that no underwear was visible.

Visible underwear is not formal dress.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Anyafaj
I'm honestly curious here as I'm not aware. Is the entire state of Utah Mormon, or are there some parts where women do not live as if they are in an oppressive regime? This dress is pictured and I see not a thing wrong with it. Unless if shoulders have suddenly become porn. It states in the dress code shoulder straps. It says nothing about bare arms. She's dressed very appropriately, so I'm curious as to other opinions.

Girl in Saudia Arabia *cough* I mean Utah, forced to wear a coat over dress at school dance




A Lone Peak High School student was told her dress must be covered up because it was too inappropriate for the Preference Dance at the school last Saturday.

“She said, ‘Would you mind putting on a shawl?’ I didn't want to make a big scene so I said, yes. I had a coat in the car so I had to go back and get it,” she said.

“Somehow my shoulders are sexualized,” Finlayson said. “Like it's my responsibility to make sure the boys’ thoughts are not unclean.”

“Formals, backless dresses and/or tops may not extend beyond the bottom of the shoulder blades. Girls’ dresses and tops must have a 2″ minimum strap on each shoulder. Shawls, boleros and other shrugs are acceptable if worn over the dress at all times. Cleavage covered.”

Finlayson says her dress, which was purchased in Paris, and resembled in her mind, the classic, graceful style of her idol, actress Audrey Hepburn, was within the parameters put forth by the school dress code, and she says there were other girls at the dance whose dresses were questionable in her mind.


The dress straps seemed to have about 2 inches, if not more. She even had it altered to bring the bodice higher. It obviously extended beyond mid-calf. Very appropriate. If a bare arm is going to get a boy excited, then maybe we need to teach boys more on how to control themselves and send more right messages to girls, instead of "Cover up, you're enticing the boys to want to rape you."

It is a public school receiving public funding from the federal government, so not a private LDS school. What more does this school want? A burka and a veil? Have we really reached that point where girls must wear a full length robe or something to school, lest boys see an inch of flesh? Shall we bring back bathing suits that cover our ankles? [sarc]


It is a classic dress that could have been perfectly acceptable in the 50's and 60's and seems to meet all of the requirements of the dress code posted and, as such, the action of the school seem wrong. Makes me wonder if someone had it out for the girl before and nothing she'd do would be "presentable."



That thought occurred to me too. The opposite is also possible, in that she got a lot of extra attention and she might have handled it very well.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
originally posted by: Anyafaj
originally posted by: Semicollegiate
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Krakatoa





A "normal" bra has a strap that goes over each shoulder. Shoulderless dresses like the one the young lady was wearing tend to leave the over the shoulder bra strap visible.

I'm fairly sure the 2 inch shoulder strip requirement means that the deltoid muscle and arm pit would be covered. That would ensure that no underwear was visible.

Visible underwear is not formal dress.



You do realize they sell strapless bras, right? It doesn't say what kind of underwear she was wearing that night. She might well have been wearing a strapless bra. I wore one with my wedding dress.
edit on 1/28/2015 by Anyafaj because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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Is this a normal state school? can you avoid schools with religious overtones like this or is it pretty standard for Utah.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: Anyafaj
originally posted by: Semicollegiate
originally posted by: Anyafaj
originally posted by: Semicollegiate
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Krakatoa





A "normal" bra has a strap that goes over each shoulder. Shoulderless dresses like the one the young lady was wearing tend to leave the over the shoulder bra strap visible.

I'm fairly sure the 2 inch shoulder strip requirement means that the deltoid muscle and arm pit would be covered. That would ensure that no underwear was visible.

Visible underwear is not formal dress.



You do realize they sell strapless bras, right? It doesn't say what kind of underwear she was wearing that night. She might well have been wearing a strapless bra. I wore one with my wedding dress.


Devil's Advocate here, aren't strapless bras kind of expensive (I don't know), and some women folks might consider them a bit risqué for official teenage socializing.

And of course the young lady's "bought in Paris" dress might have aroused some notions of unfairness.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: WilsonWilson
Is this a normal state school? can you avoid schools with religious overtones like this or is it pretty standard for Utah.


Even in public schools, things like dress codes take on what is considered "appropriate" by the local populace. For example, what may be considered presentable in LA may not be considered appropriate dress in Des Moines. It is more cultural than religious sometimes.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: [post=18932354]Semicollegiate





Devil's Advocate here, aren't strapless bras kind of expensive (I don't know), and some women folks might consider them a bit risqué for official teenage socializing.

And of course the young lady's "bought in Paris" dress might have aroused some notions of unfairness.



No more than a regular bra if you purchase it at the right place. (They do use them for strapless prom dresses, though with this school code, I doubt they would wear strapless, unless they wore a bolero over top.)

As for being unfair that she bought it overseas, too bad. Beside, how would other girl's know unless she told them.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

It seems a bit far to be cultural, i know Utah has Mormans but is it a really restrictive place to live on a whole for non mormons?



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Anyafaj

OH I understand, I am not a fan of our school system,



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: Klassified

I get where you are coming from and how it might be perceived that way.

There are gray areas.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: NavyDoc

It seems a bit far to be cultural, i know Utah has Mormans but is it a really restrictive place to live on a whole for non mormons?



Utah, by and large, has a very conservative culture, Mormons and non-Mormons alike. Not a theocracy or anything like that, just in general, more socially conservative than, say, California.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: seagull



That Era dress had a tendency to leave the shoulder blades bare, if this dress had the same cut it violated the dress code.



Silly to me, but it seems to work in that state..



Edit: it's an easy religion to mock, oftentimes the entire state is mocked but I don't recall hearing about any school shootings in Utah so they are doing something right in high school.


"I don't recall hearing about any school shootings in Utah" ???????????????

4 school shootings with three dead in Utah since 1996.
www.stoptheshootings.org...



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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funny how religion isn't noted in any of that article but you're making it all about it



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
Ever been to Utah?

It's a little different, but Saudi Arabia it certainly isn't, it was an unesecary dig at a state that a pretty cool place.

If the students agreed to the dress code what is the issue?

Bottom line is you don't have to understand it seems to work for them.


I find it unbelievable that the students agreed to the dress code like the school rep is claiming. I think it's more along the lines of the school decided that this was the dress code then forced every student to sign a document confirming they understood that this was the case. There is no agreement there, just signing a contract under duress. It's not like the school would let them NOT sign the paper or anything.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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A 'preference' dance is similar to a Sadie Hawkins dance I believe...



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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The dress depicted is very conservative to say the least and at least in my country it'd be downright prudish to say that this dress is too revealing. If I'd go to a party dressed like that I'd be the most modestly dressed one by far and that's not saying people walk around half naked. My old high school once got a new christian dean however who ordered the female teachers to cover up their shoulders despite it being a public school so there's that though. (not that they obeyed)

Anyway, it makes me wonder what people wear in Utah during summer.

On a personal note... I'd suggest teaching teens a healthy approach to things like body, attraction and sexuality.



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