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Watch this before it gets taken down! Ukrainian civil war was carefully planned. years ago.

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posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88

Russia is the only country with troops on Ukraine's border and taking land
edit on 27-1-2015 by JDmOKI because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Strawberry88

Russia is the only country with troops on Ukraine's border and taking land



If you had bothered to watch the OP video, and would debate the topic, you would know that the West is involved through covert means.

What is your point really? Now that Ukraine has been destabilized, Russia is protecting it's interests and assets?

No surprise to me, it's a shame what's happening, but you can't kick a guy in the nuts to then cry foul play after he punches you in the face.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88




Ahh, an ultimatum, similar to the one the EU posed huh?


The one that tells Russia they have the choice of stopping the agression of the separatist, and remove there so called volunteers from the Russian army or face more sanctions.

Putin could end the problems, but he is just too power hungry to understand that.

SO that ultimatum is nowhere as bad as what Putin gave to Ukraine about the EU deal.


Oh and wow, your evidence is the fact that he was likely corrupt? Good thing our elected officials are saints then.


So you didn't look at the link I provided that shows the depth of his corruption, or is it easier to just believe he wasn't than it is to actually understand he was?



But hey it's just easier to blame Russia than it is to actually see the truth.


Well as the saying goes...

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...then it's just a duck.

And the truth is Russia is behind it, they did send troops to takeover Crimea and annexed it, after which the same soldiers that were seen in Crimea were also the same ones taking over gov't buildings in the East when this all started. Not to mention the separatists are getting re supplied from someone as Ukraine is not restocking the bases they plundered in the beginning.

And who is their ally in all of this...that's right Russia, so how are they not behind this when they have dome nothing to help stop the conflict, but by supplying the separatists Russia is all in when it comes to being a guilty party for this conflict.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88





If you had bothered to watch the OP video,


You mean the one that lied about when it was done, as it was a year before when in all actuality is was a day before the protests really got going good.



What is your point really? Now that Ukraine has been destabilized, Russia is protecting it's interests and assets?


Yes he needs another puppet in Ukraine that will funnel billions to Russia while leaving the citizens of Ukraine high and dry. And since Yanukovych isn't there he has to get his plunder from somewhere and what better than to take and annex part of a country that has your naval base on it...and that means RUssia saves money as Ukraine will no longer be getting those lease payments and lose money.



but you can't kick a guy in the nuts to then cry foul play after he punches you in the face.


Except nobody kicked him in the twig and giggle berries, because that would have given him a reason for his actions in Ukraine.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
And the truth is Russia is behind it, they did send troops to takeover Crimea and annexed it, after which the same soldiers that were seen in Crimea were also the same ones taking over gov't buildings in the East when this all started. Not to mention the separatists are getting re supplied from someone as Ukraine is not restocking the bases they plundered in the beginning.

And who is their ally in all of this...that's right Russia, so how are they not behind this when they have dome nothing to help stop the conflict, but by supplying the separatists Russia is all in when it comes to being a guilty party for this conflict.




Ahh, you have the truth figured out, that's lovely. Still no proof though, just allegations.


I stand by my point. NOW Russia is involved, yes, since now it is protecting interests and assets that came under threat along with the rest of Ukraine.


The EU made statements before ANY protests broke out that Ukraine either join them, or they will make sure protests break out, and lo and behold, they do.


Have fun believing in fairy tales friend. I'll stick to reality, where both parties are clearly involved.



Beware, the bear is coming!



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Its all Russia fault Right? lol.


The fact that America is known stage coups, protests and riots i am not surprised.


Yanks are about to start training the Ukrainian military and security services. On BBC today. They just can't help themselves but get involved in somebody elses business



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Its all Russia fault Right? lol.


The fact that America is known stage coups, protests and riots i am not surprised.


Yanks are about to start training the Ukrainian military and security services. On BBC today. They just can't help themselves but get involved in somebody elses business



Let's just wait for the apologists to come in and tell us how it is justified to get involved now.



So now we have:

Known and admitted involvement before

Known and admitted involvement during

Known and admitted involvement after




Yet STILL people dare claim the West is not involved.


Truly mind-boggling, and indicative of the state of our society: in trouble.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter


So what if he was? is it a crime for someone to educated in Moscow?


And yet if someone was educated in the United States, he or she must necessarily be a CIA agent, right?



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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Yanks are about to start training the Ukrainian military and security services. On BBC today. They just can't help themselves but get involved in somebody elses business


But it's all fine and dandy that Russia is supplying and training the separatists...amazing

Much like what Russia has done in Ukraine themselves.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88


Yet STILL people dare claim the West is not involved.


And some people are still claiming that Russia did not invade!



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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The west is the spear that grinds sand in the mouth of Ukraine. All these colour revolutions, you know it's not Eskimos or Angolans behind them. Think Yanks and you're on the right track. Newland and McCain types, CIA. Bush types. When I heard today on BBC main news that the Yanks are about to start training up Ukranian military you just get the flippin picture.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 04:11 PM
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When I heard today on BBC main news that the Yanks are about to start training up Ukranian military you just get the flippin picture.


Why did they wait so long if they have been planning all this for over a year?



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Yes that's true. But it's not Americas backyard is it? It is Russia's or heavens sake - not Americas. Russia has got every right to sceure its vital interests when a nation from the other side of the world just can't help itself and is interfering and stirring the pot on its borders.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: ufoorbhunter


When I heard today on BBC main news that the Yanks are about to start training up Ukranian military you just get the flippin picture.


Why did they wait so long if they have been planning all this for over a year?


Because they've wormed their way into Ukraine politics by now. You know how Yanks worm their way in to countries decision making



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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Because they've wormed their way into Ukraine politics by now. You know how Yanks worm their way in to countries decision making


But according to the video in the OP, they had already wormed their way in. Why has it taken them so long to spring into action? Why have the US media not been beating the war drum? There is more coverage of Islamic State in the US than Ukraine. Why is that if the US has worked so hard to create a causus bellus there?

On the other hand, everything that has transpired there over the past year has played right into Putin's hands. He has gained Crimea and destabilized Ukraine, just as he has destabilized his other neighbors in the Caucasus.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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Truly amazing how you think adjustments and subterfuge are the REFUGE of only the outsider, you cannot even see when the West does ANYTHING wrong, what makes you think you can track the actions of even one sector of the media ??

The broken record of how the world works is not even followed by your own media, yet brazenly stubbornly refuse to recognize that people smarter than them can use any dam timeline they want, any tactic they want, and that maybe just maybe TIT FOR TAT, is not as black and white as they think.

Keep telling us things about how the most overtly offensive group in the world is needed to keep all the other groups down and how we should PROGRAM OUR MINDS to believe a Good Guy Bad Guy scenario is all these things are about.

Pretty dam insulting.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

So essentially it was wrong, because as it hasn't been proven the US was behind the problems in Ukraine.


Lack of proof doesnt equal lack of guilt.
It just equals lack of proof, like JFK, Satanic Ritual Abuse rings and formerly paedophile rings in government and decades of cover up.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

So essentially it was wrong, because as it hasn't been proven the US was behind the problems in Ukraine.


Lack of proof doesnt equal lack of guilt.
It just equals lack of proof, like JFK, Satanic Ritual Abuse rings and formerly paedophile rings in government and decades of cover up.

That JFK thing was solved when I prayed for the answer inside the red pentagrams and sacrificed some little orphan nobody cared about. I won't tell you who did it because the journey was worth more than the answer...



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 06:23 PM
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Actually ukraine was given an uktinatum by the EU, spend millions modernising the old fashioned looking but still functional russian built railway, at the cost of the taxpayers or don't join.



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: Strawberry88

It was a hypothetical, not definitive. I thought it was fair to counteract the sentiment by showing that Russia does the same things, by posting it's involvement in alleged anti cracking schemes out of the US.

It's a two way street. Surely some have more to gain than others, however, it doesn't take away from the fact that it takes two too tangle and all sides are responsible that are contributing to the war; those with major interests.




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