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Watch this before it gets taken down! Ukrainian civil war was carefully planned. years ago.

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posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: DJW001




Ah, now that's what you need to prove, isn't it?


Trojan Horse:National Endowment for Democracy


a reply to: ufoorbhunter




Makes you wonder how many times this has been repeated elsewhere.


Too many times unfortunatly, America are specialists in over throwing other nations governments, its what they do and have done for well over a hundred years.
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posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: Dabrazzo

Of course. A dead link to a book by the author of Osama bin Laden's favorite author:


Bin Laden stated: "If Bush carries on with his lies and oppression, it would be useful for you to read the book The Rogue State." Sales subsequently soared.[1][2][3]

When asked if he was disturbed by Bin Laden's endorsement of his book, Blum replied "I was glad. I knew it would help the book's sales and I was not bothered by who it was coming from. If he shares with me a deep dislike for the certain aspects of U.S. foreign policy, then I'm not going to spurn any endorsement of the book by him. I think it's good that he shares those views and I'm not turned off by that."[citation needed] Prior to bin Laden's statement, the book was ranked at 209,000 on Amazon's sales list. By the following Sunday it was number 12.

Bin Laden allegedly quoted the following passage: "If I were president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize - very publicly and sincerely - to all the widows and orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce to every corner of the world that America's global military interventions have come to an end."[citation needed] The quote is from Blum's 2004 book Freeing the World to Death: Essays on the American Empire, but appears in the Zed Books edition of Rogue State.


en.wikipedia.org...:_A_Guide_to_the_World%27s_Only_Superpower



posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Dead link?

Works for me, it is Chapter 19.

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy

Here is another link for you.

Regardless of the your personal bias towards the author, please feel free to dispute what he says.

Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower is by far one of the most well researched books concerning the crimes of the American Empire.



posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

who cares if osama likes it? thats like saying crepes are bad because saddam was seen eating them. petty character assassination isnt an argument of any type.



posted on Jan, 31 2015 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: DJW001





I' not the one who has to prove anything.


tries really hard to prove something....



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: DJW001

Dead link?

Works for me, it is Chapter 19.

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy

Here is another link for you.

Regardless of the your personal bias towards the author, please feel free to dispute what he says.

Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower is by far one of the most well researched books concerning the crimes of the American Empire.




I can it's part of us aid how dare those terrible Amaricans promote free press democracy and human health. Wow we can't have the world's only superpower according to him anyway trying to improve people's lives how dare they be so generous.

But tell you what in a place like Russia I do agree free press and people being able to vote without coruption or vote tampering is indeed a threat to Putin. Look at his last election and the riots that started. When you have a dictator any outside source of capitol is a threat.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

What you say.



I can it's part of us aid how dare those terrible Amaricans promote free press democracy and human health


How things are in reality.


The Endowment played an important role in the Iran-Contra affair of the 1980s, funding key components of Oliver North's shadowy "Project Democracy" network, which privatized US foreign policy, waged war, ran arms and drugs and engaged in other equally charming activities.


Good day.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: dragonridr

What you say.



I can it's part of us aid how dare those terrible Amaricans promote free press democracy and human health


How things are in reality.


The Endowment played an important role in the Iran-Contra affair of the 1980s, funding key components of Oliver North's shadowy "Project Democracy" network, which privatized US foreign policy, waged war, ran arms and drugs and engaged in other equally charming activities.


Good day.


Ah continue with Internet rumors see I'm Iran contract they were not involved. Thus started from a memo from oliver north making a joke. About US aid to the contras but doing research is beyond you apparently if you believe it to be true.



posted on Feb, 1 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: DJW001

who cares if osama likes it? thats like saying crepes are bad because saddam was seen eating them. petty character assassination isnt an argument of any type.


Because if bin Ladin is an American asset, what he says is disinformation from the CIA!



posted on Feb, 2 2015 @ 03:45 AM
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originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: dismanrc

you might want to read a book called "Wallstreet and the rise of Hitler". lol


Still doesn't effect the fact they wargame these type of things all the time.

That was my point you can find almost any plan you can think of in the vaults already planed and worked out.

They just pull them, dust them off and rework with current intel



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 10:14 PM
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Back on the main topic...

This Tech Camp is all real! No conspiracy theory, it's all out in the open...

From its 2013 edition:



The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv in partnership with Microsoft Ukraine hosted TechCamp Kyiv 2.0 on March 1, 2013 at the Microsoft Ukraine Headquarters. TechCamps support the U.S. State Department’s Civil Society 2.0 initiative that builds the technological and digital capacity of civil society organizations around the world.

During the full day interactive workshop, the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv paired leaders in the technology community with civil society organizations to provide in-depth exposure to low-cost and easy to implement technologies. More than 60 civil society leaders from throughout Ukraine came together to get hands-on training in a variety of areas ranging from fundraising using crowdsourcing, citizen journalism, PR tools for NGOs, Microsoft software and programs for NGOs, and more. These civil society organizations will be poised to use new technologies to grow their networks, communicate more efficiently, and keep pace with the changing world.

To date, State Department sponsored TechCamps in Ukraine have trained more than 200 civil society organizers from throughout the country and Belarus. The technologies and approaches presented help to build new networks of relationships, enhance skill development, and create new avenues for communication. Adoption of these technologies by civil society organizations will help support the missions of these groups as well as broader social goals of democracy, transparency and good governance in the 21st Century.

TechCamp Kyiv 2.0 was a follow-up to the original TechCamp Kyiv held in September of 2012. The mission of TechCamp Kyiv 2.0 was to transform TechCamp into a sustainable movement of civil society and technology experts networking and working together to build a thriving dynamic third sector in Ukraine. Two more TechCamps 2.0 will be held in Donetsk in April and Ivano-Frankivsk in May. U.S. Embassy Kyiv is also hosting a series of virtual TechCamp Meet-Ups with U.S. technologists sharing new approaches to combat social problems.




SO they openly admit right there that the purpose of this meeting was to shape a political movement in Ukraine, through the para-political civil society, using social media technologies.

All what Tsarov said is TRUE.
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posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
I' not the one who has to prove anything. If you want someone to believe that something is really a CI front, provide some evidence. Saying that the NGOs were engaged in espionage proves that the US was behind the uprising, and that the uprising proves that the NGOs were engaged in espionage is circular reasoning.

In the meantime, Russia has acquired New real estate and Putin is being worshipped as the second coming of Peter the Great!

a reply to: MALBOSIA



But Russia has NOT "acquired" new real estate in Ukraine. These territories have been Russian for CENTURIES, even millenium (as far as the Scythians as the Russian's oldest descent in the region). Not only that, but the whole region north of the Black Sea has been the source of the Rus people, with Kiev at their center, from where the empire slowly expanded. This is why roughly half of the population of Ukraine a year ago was consisting of Russians. Because that's where they are from! Those families have been probably living there for far longer than there's been Europeans in the Americas.

The neonazis on the Ukrainian side have vowed repeatedly and openly to get rid of Russians in Urkaine. This is exactly what they attempted to do in the southeast, and failed miserably. Because THEY ARE NEONAZIS, fans of Adolf Hitler and Bandera... of a racist, fascist, imperialist regime that despised Slavic people as much as they do. And no this is not Putin propadanda, as there are TONS of images, videos, declarations coming from Euromaidan and afterwards that show in broad daylight the huge Neonazi factions that have been involved, from Azov Battallion to Pravy Sektor to Svoboda to UNSO, and even the two biggest parties in power now share their ideas. Their biggest differences appear to be on their respective opinions on Jews, but they are all ultra-nationalists, pro-corporate, unitarian, White supremacists, anti-immigration, and against everything and everyone that's not "Ukrainian" according to their views (this is part of their new constitution and program). You can see it in their armbands, sieg heils (including the right raised fist that is a well-known new sieg heil in East Europe), graffiti, flags, ceremonies and public declarations.

Today's Ukraine is only a few decades old, and was the complete offspring of the USSR. Its past few, and brief incarnations as a Nation-State were very different than the territory you have now (...or had until a few months ago).

Poor historical knowledge seems like the untold issue with anti-Russia/pro-West fanatics here and elsewhere on the net. Only a few web searches or a visit at the library would fix this.

As for the evidence regarding CIA's activities in the Ukraine... are you aware that the CIA is a secret service agency that only answers to Congress and the POTUS? This means that, yeah, just like the MI6, MOSSAD, KSB, BND, CSIS and others, you can only have "soft" external evidence of their involvements, partners, agents and operations. And anyone coming with such precious infos here on ATS -without the US government's prior disclosure- is VERY likely to have a meeting with St-Peter next...

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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 12:18 AM
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Wow you couldn't be more wrong prior to the 1920s the area was slavs and polls. Than in 1920 Ukraine became the soviets. The founding member of the Soviet Union as a matter of fact. So Russians are Ukrainians not the other way around. Now in the area around the black Sea was mostly the austro Hungarian empire. This is why that region like Crimea was full of tar tar people until stallen forcibly removed them and shipped many off to die.

Your version of history is a colorful reinterpretation to make the soviets feel good about what they did to Ukraine and attempted to do to other Muslims in the region.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 02:09 AM
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No he was not correct.. How many times are you guys going to take stuff out of context?

There is nothing wrong with providing this type of support to a nation who was occupied for more than 50 years that only allowed 1 ideology and that ideology was designed to limit independent thought.

Yes Russia has acquired new territories. They are currently and illegally occupying Crimea and no amount of spin will change that fact.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:53 AM
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As for the evidence regarding CIA's activities in the Ukraine... are you aware that the CIA is a secret service agency that only answers to Congress and the POTUS? This means that, yeah, just like the MI6, MOSSAD, KSB, BND, CSIS and others, you can only have "soft" external evidence of their involvements, partners, agents and operations. And anyone coming with such precious infos here on ATS -without the US government's prior disclosure- is VERY likely to have a meeting with St-Peter next...


In other words, no, you do not have any evidence that any NGOs are really CIA fronts. Why? Because CIA is so efficient and well run that its activities are completely impenetrable... that's why no-one has ever heard of Operation Rollback, the plots to kill Castro, the Bay of Pigs, Francis Gary Powers, Corona, Iran-Contra...

Basically, you just want to believe that the NGOs are part of some plot orchestrated by CIA because you cannot bring yourself to believe that the Ukrainian people do not want to rejoin the Russian Empire. Putin should be thankful that Ukraine simply wants to be left alone, and not reclaim Muscovy for Rus!



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 06:56 AM
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SO they openly admit right there that the purpose of this meeting was to shape a political movement in Ukraine, through the para-political civil society, using social media technologies.


Which is, of course, perfectly legal and above board. RT is Russia's pathetic attempt to do the same thing in the West.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Echtelion


SO they openly admit right there that the purpose of this meeting was to shape a political movement in Ukraine, through the para-political civil society, using social media technologies.


Which is, of course, perfectly legal and above board. RT is Russia's pathetic attempt to do the same thing in the West.


My god those evil Amaricans trying to help former communist countries develop a democracy. And god forgive them give them civil rights and work towards environmental and educational programs. How dare they try to educate and provide a cleaner environment.

Judging from Putins words I guess this is their biggest threat to Russia a demicracy. Funniest part is all these Russian supporters want to Pl a it like them CIA is clever and we'll that's just not then case. But if it were true they would just start a coup in Russia since they are all powerful and omnipotent.

Putin needed a scape goat to blame them problems he was having for years it was gays. But that wasn't working so than it became Jews even to the point of doubting thw holocaust. Than back to gays as nationalist took over Russian politics. Than finally moved on to the NATO.

Funniest part is Russia had offices in NATO sat in on briefings and wad even a participant in NATO actions. Wasn't until he stealth invaded Crimea that they threw out his generals there.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

morality trumps legality. unless of course your a sociopath.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 09:30 PM
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originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: DJW001

morality trumps legality. unless of course your a sociopath.


in which case they just invade Ukraine and occupy its territory.



posted on Feb, 9 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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yeah the citizens of donbas and lugansk occupied their own territory and had the audacity to fight back, shame on them.







 
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