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originally posted by: Jim Scott
Of course, this topic has been here for years and years. Religion is based on faith, science on testable facts. Evolution is not hard science, with testable facts. Hard science proves that the Earth is very young. Carbon dating diamonds shows that they are approximately 7000 years old. Fossils are carbon dated no older than 50,000 years, and probably at 5,000 considering the variation of carbon 14 possible in the past.
Past 100 million years ago, Mercury would be inside the diameter of the Sun.
A solar accretion dust disk cannot explain how Neptune and Uranus were formed in such a short life of this solar system.
Fossilized tracks of wagon carts date at 100 million years ago in central Turkey.
A man-made bell was found in 500 million year old granite in Massachusetts.
The list of OOPARTS is long. Scientists gladly sweep them aside, so you don't have any reason to doubt science. It is controlling what you are allowed to see.
Construction of folding proteins to form life, along with the possibility of making a living cell, is so impossible that the scientists have to postulate that there is a multiverse.
And, therefore, since the scientists have put forth solutions that are completely and utterly untestable, the theory of an older universe is taken on faith. Therefore, belief in that constitutes making it a religion.
So, you can choose your religion: Jesus Christ, or theoretical science. Which one brings eternal life? Which one rose from the dead and died for you?
originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Ok this thread needs to be about science vs the bible not all other religions, because all religions dont say what the bible says.
As to science being logical, look at our modern world, it lacks any kind of logic at all.
We have weapons to destroy the world 1000 times over but refuse to feed the hungry and aid those in need, it defies all logic.
The materialistic nature of our society defies logic, which is science based.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Because atheists can definitively say there is no God with all the same fervor and faith that the faithful can say there is one, and yet, despite their protestations that they base all this on science and logic etc., they have no more concrete proof of this lack of God than we have proof of His existence.
It is pure faith alone that drives their certainty.
faith - a confident belief in the truth, value or trustworthiness of a person, idea or thing; belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence
As you can see, the contentions that atheists have fit both the first two definitions of faith as my dictionary defines it. The same could be said of the religious.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
We can pretty much strike commandments 1-4 off the list since they are unimportant, and then it would a much better list.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jjkenobi
There are sane, mathematical models that predict that alien life almost assuredly exists in the cosmos. No such models exist for god.
originally posted by: stutteringp0et
Maybe a different interpretation is in order
1. pick a god, any god (unlike the greeks, who worshipped many gods - blaming/crediting them for everything)
2. don't worship idols (I'd put celebrities in this category...but that's just me)
3. it makes you sound childish, and nobody likes to hear it anyway
4. everyone deserves a day off
There's no reason to reject religion outright, because the only way we're going to know one way or the other is to die. There are many good lessons to be learned.
There are sane, mathematical models that predict that alien life almost assuredly exists in the cosmos. No such models exist for god. So it really isn't comparable.
No such models exist for god. So it really isn't comparable.