originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: WarminIndy
Nazism and white supremacy is against love thy neighbour as thyself, baking a cake at a bakery for a gay couple is not.
Ok, now suppose this, you are a Muslim and you are asked to make a pork loaf for a lovely, wonderful Christian couple and that couple forced the
Muslim to make that, would that be an offense?
Now suppose you are Jewish who keeps kosher and a very lovely, wonderful Christian forced you to make a schwastika cake, would you be offended?
Now suppose as an atheist, a very lovely, nice Christian couple asked you to make a cake with those very words on it, would you be offended?
See, it's easy to say your rebuttal because Christianity is a go-to for pop culture criticisms, but place yourself into the shoes of the person.
Now, as far as being gay, which the OP is wondering about and the verse about the virginity of girls, let's understand something very important.
In that ancient society in the Levant, Egypt and the Middle East, virginity was such a highly regarded thing and for the father who says to the young
man, because this issue is about several things, first, it was a contract and contracts were covenants, considered ultimately life or death. To break
a covenant means that you violated your own sacred word to someone else. Second, it was about slander, which breaks the ninth commandment, thou shalt
not bear false witness against thy neighbor. And third, the virginity and showing the bloody sheet was a common thing in those days in those areas.
But because the girl had to be charged and ninth commandment was in violation of being broken, then the parents had to prove it. If they did prove she
was a virgin, then according to the law, the young man would be stoned for slander because he broke that commandment.
It's not just that she would be stoned for not being a virgin because the husband could always show her mercy and grace and forgiveness, because it
was also incumbent upon him to be a virgin at marriage also, but harder to prove.
The Bible is a window into practices of ancient cultures, so one must understand that before jumping the gun and attacking the Bible. Is no one
looking at it objectively any more or does everyone think that their lives are so much affected by the Bible that they will be stoned?
The Christian who was never raised in that ancient culture can't be forced to accept the 613 laws of Moses, which are for the Jewish nation. But the
overriding theme in the Bible is that even though these social and civil laws were enacted at a time when the Jews lived as one community, moving into
the Levant, mercy and grace and forgiveness is taught and presented throughout both the Torah, Tanakh and the New Testament.
God said "I desire mercy and not sacrifice". God said "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy". The criticisms come from those who do not
perceive that those laws were written in a time when the Jews lived as a community for the first time, and yes, they were in Egypt, regardless of what
modern so-called experts want you to believe.
Regarding homosexual and gay marriage, does not nature itself teach you what is unseemly? If one believes in evolution, then homosexuality is not a
normal process of evolution, it is a mutation. The purpose of evolution is for propagation and perpetuation of the species, therefore, as the whole
organism, the whole human being, was designed by nature for the purpose of procreation, then it is a mutation because it goes against the purpose of
procreation. But gay people still have all the equipment for procreation, that has never been taken away, so the idea of homosexuality resides solely
within the brain and if the mutation occurs solely in the brain, then evolution made a mistake.
Either one or the other, no God means evolution, and if evolution entails propagation and perpetuation of the species, then evolution messed up.
Even those who are hermaphrodites, do indeed have a physical genetic mutation. And yet, the ability to procreate was never removed from them.
This idea of transgender and boys saying "I am a girl inside", no, they are not a girl inside because they don't have the fundamental parts that
make them female. They don't have a uterus, cervix, follicles or ovaries to make that claim. Therefore, biologically it is impossible to make that
claim. But the idea rests solely in their minds, and that is a mystery as to why they think that way.
If it is a mutation, then it is not beneficial because it goes against the very process of procreation that all living beings have. We aren't those
plants that have stamen and pistil in the same plant and we don't lay eggs like reptiles or fish, but procreation is the hallmark of every living