American laziness promotes socialist government, page 1
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Topic started on 15-12-2004 @ 10:06 AM by TrueLies
I asked a friend of mine last week what was

the most exciting part of her break. She replied that

she got to spend two weeks with her boyfriend. She

went on to say that her boyfriend was interning in

Australia and they did not get to spend much time together.

I asked her if he liked it there and she replied, "Yeah,

but they don't like Americans." I asked why, she replied,

"They think we're lazy."

The only response I could conjure up was, "Well, we

are!"

Does this attitude offend you?
Just last week I heard the news reports on the debate

between Democratic presidential hopefuls Bill Bradley

and Al Gore. Both candidates appeared very passionate

and stern in their deliverance of ideas; however, it

is the very concept of those ideas that disturbs me.

Gore's health care plan calls for extreme measures

in strengthening the health care system for the uninsured.

Bradley wants to throw an unprecedented amount of money

into his version of health care. These plans shadow

the concepts that Hillary Clinton failed miserably

to pass in 1994. And yes, both of these plans are a

nationwide nemesis, blueprinting Tennessee's managed

health care system we call TennCare.

TennCare is socialized medicine/health care. It is

soaking our state dry of resources. TennCare hinders

many necessary government programs (higher education)

to get proper funding. A nationwide program such as

this would require massive hikes in taxes to offset

its bottomless appetite for funding. Gore and Bradley

also threw out ideas that detailed government-sponsored

after-school day care plans. This is another socialist

idea that would soak up billions of tax dollars.

Both candidates are fighting over which one can tax

and spend the most money. These so-called Democrats

are playing to the emotions of the public in implementing

these socialist programs at the very cost of what we

Americans pride ourselves so gallantly - democracy.

Still ticked off about the "lazy" comment?
Story here


You have to read the whole article to understand, this is just the beginning.

All democrats out there, I seem to remember ted kennedy and others playing on the freedom's of american's at the dnc, it was very passionate and very well said but i sat there thinking, thats not the platform they usually stand on, but nonetheless democrats stood up and cheered as if it's what they've been passionate about this whole time... Isn't it the above?

Not being snide or anything just curious because you can't have it both ways..

And I hope you read the whole article before you go and jump the gun.

I'd like to know the logic in this tax and spend ideology? Where is it going to take this country? To new heights? A new balanced budget? A free market? please i'm dying to know. help me, for I must be logically impaired.


reply posted on 16-12-2004 @ 08:55 AM by Bout Time
We work the most hours out of all other "1st World" countries

We get the least paid time off

We pay the most for our medical coverage

Our literacy & education rates as a ratio of our wealth has us being surpassed by all other first world countries

And in a related piece, we have a higher ratio of our citizen in the prison system than any other first world country.

People have to get away from imposing political hysterics to the naming of goverment management models. They also have to realize that every successful government is an amalgam of mmultiple models - the only absolutes exist in theory.

DontTread: You can't afford to pay anymore to "the government" because of the crony capitalism policies of Republican government. Those massive tax cuts, those massive rebates to corporations, that massive 'socialist' intervetion of the government to keep poorly run industry afloat with subsidies, the allowing of foreign registry to avoid billions of taxes.....all of these things have shifted the burden to the middle & low classes. It's been in the form of increased property tax, increased school tax, increased sales tax and every single taxation or fee that the state government can charge because the Federal government has siphoned off funds the states would otherwise receive.....to pay for their Crony Capitalistic policies. The Fed can run a deficit and increase the debt ceiling, as the Bush government has done every year to all time muti trillion dollar levels. States are pay as you go - they can't do anything on a deficit.

TrueLies: let's take your premise of Socialized Medicine and look at it in the proper context: It's another form of Crony Capitalism that grew out of control from 1980 to 1992, had some pings against it until the Congress was under Republican control from 1993 to 2000, and has gone back to being hog wild.
Prescrition drug prices going up 60% to 75%, premiums going up so that a family of four would pay just about $1000 a month. And during all this, legislation after legislation allowing companies to cut to the bone the amounts of contributions to employee benefits.
That's why we have 50 million American with out Health Insurance. The fastest growing segment? Households making over $50K per year.
I'm an Independent, but on this issue, Democrats have been the only ones making any sense - Daycare program give families more time to work & earn. Universal Health care takes a huge financial burden off of working families. Better education & free education enables a world leading workforce. All of those things put billions of dollars of consumer spending into the American economy and can be paid for in extremely easy fashion - cut military spending by 5% ( weapons systems, crony contracts, Halliburton outsourcing), and require companies who make trillions here to pay their taxes.

No flames at you, but this "conservative" who wrote this article, that's studying political science is likely the same as our ATS staunch conservatives: some 20 year old putz who can't wipe his own azz without asking his parents for money, and enjoying his academic career off of their labor instead of working several jobs or the GI Bill, yet , has great 'insights' and 'life experience' to speak on the countries state of affairs.....after watching Fox News and listing to Sean Hannity.


reply posted on 16-12-2004 @ 12:58 PM by DontTreadOnMe
Originally posted by Bout Time
DontTread: You can't afford to pay anymore to "the government" because of the crony capitalism policies of Republican government.*snip*.....all of these things have shifted the burden to the middle & low classes. It's been in the form of increased property tax, increased school tax, increased sales tax and every single taxation or fee that the state government can charge because the Federal government has siphoned off funds the states would otherwise receive*snip*

BoutTime: Your attact on the reuplicans doesn't work in this case. My paycheck versus the price of a car, health care, mortgage or rent has been out of line since well before 2000. And, acctually, the state of Michigan has had a democratic governor for much of the last 30 years (Blanchard and the worst of them all, Granholm---I wish Canada would take her back )
You can speak of the evil of the republicans all you want, but I see just as much corruption and pocket-lining among the democrats. Our dear governor is so out of the league: she increased the sales tax, robbed municipalites of much of their revenue sharing. We have very high cigarette taxes, a lottery that doesn't help education, failing schools, esp in Detroit (also rife with corruption). Our legislators and state employees have wages higher than conterparts in other states. We are losing many jobs in Michigan. In fact, we are one of three states with negative job growth.
We have two democratic US senators. I don't see much help coming from them


reply posted on 16-12-2004 @ 03:56 PM by DontTreadOnMe
Here's MI cheer-leading page for economic development:
medc.michigan.org...
We hear a lot about musinesses leaving. The average Joe, esp. the ones who would like nothing better than to work for a living, are often out of luck.

Michigan ranks 38th for Adjusted Federal Expenditures Per Dollar of Taxes in 2003:
www.taxfoundation.org...

Michigan doesn't do a very good job selling itself to business or the federal government.


I started a news thread to vent my frustrations. Sorry for the hijack.
politics.abovetopsecret.com...

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